Society/Culture Why do the working class hate unions?

[Steinfreo]

Every way you look at the stats pretty much from the day Reagan fired every member of the Air Traffic controllers union the working class has seen received a diminishing return of the economic pie, worsening conditions, longer hours, higher ceo wages, slashing taxes on the rich, wage freezes, reduced safety regulations on site, ignoring of monopoly laws, moving operations overseas, lower pay fewer benefits and when the worker agrees to work for less they move the jobs overseas anyway. I just feel as though if in the 80s the working class had just said no, if the americans had just said, nah * you reagan we arent scabbing! things would be very different.

- China wouldnt be a super power.
- we probably wouldnt have a new Iphone every year, wed have to wait every 4 years.
- Cars would probably be more expensive.
- Houses would be cheaper.
- Uni would be cheaper but youd have to be smart to do it.
- Youd probably have less immigration because we wouldnt have all these middle class brown /chinese people flying around buying up apartments
- probably less mental health issues
- better movies
- better music
- more natural t***ies

I know most of you are right wing or centrist but I really feel like most of the problems you guys are obsessed with now wouldn't be so bad if the working class had just stood up and said no * you Reagan in 81.

 

[Engimal v3]

Here? The Liberal Party told them to.

Unions = Labor, and they want to take away your weekend!

 

[ablett09]

As a Union delegate I find it very hard to get employees with Asian backgrounds to sign up. Females are also harder than males.

I also often feel that employees who want to get promoted one day believe its not in there interest to join.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I would imagine the simple answer is Newscorp brainwashing over a sustained period of time.

 

[WA ROO]

In WA
We saw pos like this indulging in thuggery and standover tactics

 

[Bradesmaen]

In WA
We saw pos like this indulging in thuggery and standover tactics
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You also saw the standover tactics of Gina Rinehart to import workers. She loves Australians so much.

 

[WA ROO]

You also saw the standover tactics of Gina Rinehart to import workers. She loves Australians so much.

#whataboutism

 

[Bradesmaen]

#whataboutism

Just showing your glaring hypocrisy for shits and gigs.

 

[WA ROO]

Just showing your glaring hypocrisy for s**ts and gigs.

Wrong
You showed you don't care about the working class as you consider them beneath you
All you wanted to do is derail the thread with bbut bbut whatabout

 

[Bradesmaen]

Wrong
You showed you don't care about the working class as you consider them beneath you
All you wanted to do is derail the thread with bbut bbut whatabout

Ok Grandpa.

 

[Power Raid]

Beware those that pretend to help you


Govt fks over aborigines and takes their land

Church fks your kids

Unions steal your opportunities, keep the unemployed down........who do you think pays for their clip?

Unions have a role to play, an important role. But like the IRA, the cause becomes themselves.



Keep unions but regulate with an iron fist

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Decades of mainstream media and Liberal Party anti-union garbage and using/creating racism and discrimination to make stupid people think rich Anglos are "our side".

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Long service leave
Maternity leave
Sick leave
Superannuation
Oh@s
Public Holidays

All things uniuns fought for.

If you don't like uniuns, go on, give them things up. Put your money where your mouth is scab.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Decades of mainstream media and Liberal Party anti-union garbage and using/creating racism and discrimination to make stupid people think rich Anglos are "our side".

Even if this hadn't happened - AND IT DEFINITELY HAS HAPPENED - the term "working class" has lost meaning and context, like watching a new episode of The Simpsons in 2019. Someone working in an air-conditioned office, wearing a collared shirt, doesn't feel working class and feel at the bottom regardless of their pay and conditions basically screaming it. If they work a job that didn't exist before Bill Gates was a household name they probably think they're smarter and more capable than they really are and unions are for the cleaners lol and my boss says I'm really valuable you know???

TLDR; Hundreds of thousands of Australians don't realise they're at the bottom.

 

[Opts]

Maybe the working class are finally Realising that;
* Modern wages are regulated and unions are much less relevant,
* The unions waste their contributions on high salaries, junkets and the Labor Party,
* Unions are full of thugs and crooks and they have enough integrity to not get involved.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Union leaders don't give a * about the working class. They are just using the position to gain influence within the Labor party and as a stepping stone into parliament.

Eg Bill Shorten

The central deal in question, under which building company Winslow Constructors paid the AWU hundreds of thousands of dollars in union fees over a decade, has been criticised by the current holder of Mr Shorten's former position of state secretary, Ben Davis, for "profoundly weakening" the union's position in the workplace. Mr Shorten's immediate successor in the role, Cesar Melhem, only days ago resigned as the Victorian government's whip in the upper house amid the controversy over a number of such sweetheart deals.​

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The Age on Friday carried similar complaints by former workers who had been AWU members. In essence, the case against Mr Shorten is that by doing such deals with companies, he short-changed his members while gaining financial benefit for the union and, by artificially inflating membership numbers via the payment of union dues by companies, political benefit for himself. In the faction-riven ALP, a political benefit to Mr Shorten was that higher membership figures gave him more policy clout at party conferences and more influence in pre-selections.​

Bill Shorten's credibility takes a hit over AWU deal

The federal Opposition Leader has questions to answer over an Australian Workers Union deal in which a company paid the union fees of workers.

www.theage.com.au

 

[FireKrakouer]

A union in it's pure form is a beautiful thing. But power tends to corrupt.

See this thread for a few negative anecdotes regarding union behaviour:

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2474774

 

[Rob R]

Long service leave
Maternity leave
Sick leave
Superannuation
Oh@s
Public Holidays

All things uniuns fought for.

If you don't like uniuns, go on, give them things up. Put your money where your mouth is scab.

Have they done anything recently? Australia needs unions who care about workers not the current ones who only care about far left progressive issues, and the political careers and wealth of union hq staff most of whom have never had a real job in their lives

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[Scallop Industry Thug]

Australia needs unions who care about workers not the current ones who only care about far left progressive issues,

Like what?

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Like what?

He has a point. However he doesn't understand its context. He won't allow himself to, he refuses to accept his belief system is wrong.

There was uniuists recently bullied out because he spoke about real issues concerning family violence. The far left have chosen women to use as apolitical tool against what they believe to be a white male dominated far right.

Accept the right serve the queen of England, she's not a male. She's ruled for nearly 70 years, accunalted vasts amount of wealth, profited immensely from wars her military have waged under her rule. Committed mass atrocities on every continent. Supported and trained people like pol pot and Osama bin laden and the extremists in Syria. She's profited from the nuclear testing cinducted here under her rule. The left are saying the world is ruled by white men, toxic masculinity. If you point this out, they get triggered. The far left are cuckoo.


So is the poster. He's labeled all those iniun delegates out thoer working two jobs with a family, fighting for the welfare of thier brothers. Trying to stop the fracturing of society by predatory capatalism. Its uniuists that have done everything worthwhile in this country. They tried bringing in conscription during ww1 and it was uniuists who stood up to this. Saved potentially 100 thousand lives.

 

[The Edukator]

I had 2 contractors come to site last week to quote and assess site conditions prior to install of ceiling insulation. Both need clean floors to operate scissors. Both remarked how it was on very good condition compared to other jobs they work on. 1 day later the cfmeu show up and abuse our team for an unsafe and unclean work site. Most contractors just want to get on with their work and as the builder we try oblige. This is why people people hate the cfmeu.

 

[Rob R]

Like what?

Cpsu. Hundreds of jobs being lost from regional areas, not a word. ALP tries to score points with less than a hundred jobs leaving Canberra, CPSU all over it. Hundreds of jobs in Melbourne being outsourced, CPSU can't even be bothered having one mtg with mgmt or writing one email but can find time and money to support the foreigners on manus and nauru.

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[HairyO]

Long service leave
Maternity leave
Sick leave
Superannuation
Oh@s
Public Holidays

All things uniuns fought for.

If you don't like uniuns, go on, give them things up. Put your money where your mouth is scab.

What are their big successes in the last 30 or 40 years?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Have they done anything recently? Australia needs unions who care about workers not the current ones who only care about far left progressive issues, and the political careers and wealth of union hq staff most of whom have never had a real job in their lives

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Agree.

The majority of unions are pissweak and obsessed with w@nkery.

 

[tandino]

I would imagine the simple answer is Newscorp brainwashing over a sustained period of time.

Are working class people not capable of making rational decisions?