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Is this Syria? We both know who is behind this

Mosul in Iraq actually....But yes....The U.S/NATO & Israel are what's behind it all.....With a little help from the C.I.A, MI6 & MOSSAD trained, Salafist terrorist nut-bags.

Or, to be more precise again:.... Rothschilds, Netanyahu/Likud Party, AIPAC & their Neo-Con cohorts......You're welcome.
 
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Mosul in Iraq actually....But yes....The U.S/NATO & Israel are what's behind it all.....With a little help from the C.I.A, MI6 & MOSSAD trained, Salafist terrorist nut-bags.

Or, to be more precise again:.... Rothschilds, Netanyahu/Likud Party, AIPAC & their Neo-Con cohorts......You're welcome.
Could they also be behind mass flooded of these people into countries they don't fit into to? Maybe go after these real criminals, fix their countries up so they can stay in their own countries with like minded people and beliefs and everyone lives happily ever after.
 
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Could they also be behind mass flooded of these people into countries they don't fit into to? Maybe go after these real criminals, fix their countries up so they can stay in their own countries with like minded people and beliefs and everyone lives happily ever after.

The kind of Islam most right wingers bring up is spread around the world by Saudi clerics who have an uneasy deal wit the Saudi royalty. The Saudi royalty appeases the clerics with large sums of money that they spend on promoting Wahhabi Islam and in return the clerics do not actively oppose the royal's power.
So in terms of religious ideology, the Saudis bear most of the blame. Politically though, Bush's ventures did destabilise the region for nefarious gains (Cheney made a lot of money out of Iraq). Afghanistan was a very costly mistake. The Syrian regime and others bear some of the blame, as does Pakistan for their tacit support of Pashtun militants. There is plenty of blame to go around. I don't honestly see anyone saying it's 100% anyone's fault despite what posters like P35 , who blames every single thing on CIA.
 
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Could they also be behind mass flooded of these people into countries they don't fit into to? Maybe go after these real criminals, fix their countries up so they can stay in their own countries with like minded people and beliefs and everyone lives happily ever after.

Well, it all started with a lie called WMD, prefaced upon another one called 9/11.....And has only escalated exponentially from there on; With not even the U.N putting up any arguments to stop all the illegal, unjustifiable, illegitimate inhuman carnage.

So you tell me.
 
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Well, it all started with a lie called WMD, prefaced upon another one called 9/11.....And has only escalated exponentially from there on; With not even the U.N putting up any arguments to stop all the illegal, unjustifiable, illegitimate inhuman carnage.

So you tell me.
Is it a chicken or the egg argument? Destroy western civilisation by mass third world immigration, to kick this off we need wars and the killing of leaders keeping these countries together first? ( we know Gaddafi was Europes defensive wall)

Or was it war first, immigration second? 2 birds one stone
 
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Well, it all started with a lie called WMD, prefaced upon another one called 9/11.....And has only escalated exponentially from there on; With not even the U.N putting up any arguments to stop all the illegal, unjustifiable, illegitimate inhuman carnage.

So you tell me.

Really, who can take you seriously when you spill that garbage from conspiracy board to the main board. :rolleyes:
 
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Really, who can take you seriously when you spill that garbage from conspiracy board to the main board. :rolleyes:

O.K....I'll walk through this with you & explain it to you like your a 7 year old.

Even if you subscribe to the official narrative surrounding the events of 9/11....Then there is one clear & distinct contradiction that's still hanging out there in the wind, like a pair of Dogs balls.

All the so-called 'terrorists' from 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia....Now, given this FACT.....How on earth do you then justify or explain.

1. U.S troops being deployed back into Afghanistan a mere 4 weeks later.....and by the way, they're still there
2. Bombing & Destroying an innocent country in Iraq, which had sweet-*-all to do with 9/11 at all, and is in fact, a mortal enemy with Saudi Arabia.....On top of which, you have to make up a phony lie in order to justify going in there in the first place.
3. How is Saudi Arabia still an ally or even still standing, when the so-called terrorists who brought down the world trade centers, were from there?

I'll be waiting for your considered, in-depth, intelligent response TP.
 
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O.K....I'll walk through this with you & explain it to you like your a 7 year old.

Even if you subscribe to the official narrative surrounding the events of 9/11....Then there is one clear & distinct contradiction that's still hanging out in the wind like a pair of Dogs balls.

All the so-called 'terrorists' from 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia....Now, given this FACT.....How on earth do you then justify or explain.

1. U.S troops being deployed back into Afghanistan a mere 4 weeks later.....and by the way, they're still there
2. Bombing & Destroying an innocent country in Iraq, which had sweet-****-all to do with 9/11 at all.....On top of which, you have to make up a phony lie in order to justify going in there in the first place.
3. How is Saudi Arabia still an ally or even still standing, when the so-called terrorists who brought down the world trade centers, were from there?

I'll be waiting for your considered, in-depth, intelligent response TP.


When you get your facts wrong thread after thread, you should know that repeating a lie 100 times doesn't make it true.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia

Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami


United Arab Emirates

Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi


However that idiot bush actually planned on attacking the Tabliban a day before the 9/11 attacks. Why did'nt be wait for 9/11 attack to be faked then? over to you. Yet again, dumbarse conspiracy theories that belong to a different board.

If your much beloved CIA needed to destroy the WTC to attack Afghanistan, then it must have also needed to wreck the White House and implicate Saddam as the main suspect before attacking Iraq and bring down the Golden Gate Bridge and accuse Qadhafi for it to find a pretext for attacking Libya. If the U.S. was such a big conspirator, it would have been much easier for it to attack Afghanistan and Iraq first on the suspicion of their possessing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and, after entering its forces there, fake such a discovery. But, when the U.S. did not find WMDs in Iraq, it honestly conceded it. How could a state capable of the machination of forging such a major and incredibly complex plot as 9/11 with so much risk, then fail to hatch the relatively small and minor plot of planting WMDs in Iraq? You reckon CIA are dumb cnuts don't you?

the conspiracy theories assert that the U.S. planned to occupy Afghanistan to lay a pipeline there connecting Central Asia and South Asia to capture Caspian energy resources. if this were indeed true, then why has the cia not laid that pipeline even today after 16 years of presence in Afghanistan? Does the cost of the war, which the U.S. is bearing, not outsize the expected gains from that pipeline?

if the Iran Contra Scandal and watargate affair were Exposed By the Confidants, Why has the Alleged 9/11 Conspiracy Plot, Despite Being So Damaging to U.S. Interests, not been Exposed By Anyone Even Today? What happened to Vault 7? what happened to Assange? What happened to Snowden? still waiting and you will keep waiting cause you have no real material here, just pure fantasy.
 
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When you get your facts wrong thread after thread, you should know that repeating a lie 100 times doesn't make it true.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia

Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami


United Arab Emirates

Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi


However that idiot bush actually planned on attacking the Tabliban a day before the 9/11 attacks. Why didn't be wait for 9/11 attack to be faked then? over to you. Yet again, dum-barse conspiracy theories that belong to a different board.

If your much beloved CIA needed to destroy the WTC to attack Afghanistan, then it must have also needed to wreck the White House and implicate Saddam as the main suspect before attacking Iraq and bring down the Golden Gate Bridge and accuse Qadhafi for it to find a pretext for attacking Libya. If the U.S. was such a big conspirator, it would have been much easier for it to attack Afghanistan and Iraq first on the suspicion of their possessing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and, after entering its forces there, fake such a discovery. But, when the U.S. did not find WMDs in Iraq, it honestly conceded it. How could a state capable of the machination of forging such a major and incredibly complex plot as 9/11 with so much risk, then fail to hatch the relatively small and minor plot of planting WMDs in Iraq? You reckon CIA are dumb cnuts don't you?

the conspiracy theories assert that the U.S. planned to occupy Afghanistan to lay a pipeline there connecting Central Asia and South Asia to capture Caspian energy resources. if this were indeed true, then why has the cia not laid that pipeline even today after 16 years of presence in Afghanistan? Does the cost of the war, which the U.S. is bearing, not outsize the expected gains from that pipeline?

if the Iran-Contra Scandal and Watergate affair were Exposed By the Confidants, Why has the Alleged 9/11 Conspiracy Plot, Despite Being So Damaging to U.S. Interests, not been Exposed By Anyone Even Today? What happened to Vault 7? what happened to Assange? What happened to Snowden? still waiting and you will keep waiting cause you have no real material here, just pure fantasy.

Oh Dear.....More immature, condescending ranting designed to mask T.P's ignorance of the subject in hand.....You really ought to know better than to adopt this ploy with me by now there T.P

So at least you admit that none of the so-called 9/11 Terrorists were in fact from Iraq....Nor Syria, nor Lybia, Nor Iran, Nor Yemen or The Sudan....Well fancy that eh?

And....That 15 of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia, with 2 from a fellow gulf State and a further 2 known MOSSAD agents of Egyptian & Jordanian descent.

So why aren't the U.A.E, Jordan & Egypt also being bombed, invaded & destroyed T.P....How is it that all these countries that were implicated in the 9/11 'terrorist attacks' are still U.S allies?....Hmmm...Questions, questions.

Don't you find it in the least bit amusing, that the 'terrorists' countries remain untouched U.S allies; & that the Middle East countries that had SFA to do with 9/11, according to the official narrative, all got destroyed?....Hmmm Yes....Still awaiting an answer on that one T.P.....Rather than your silly deflections & obfuscation dressed up as insights.

Please explain this topsy-turvey, fuzzy-wuzzy logic to me T.P.....Like I'm a 7 year old.

As before....I'll be waiting for a mature, considered, adult-like response.....And Not the inane rumblings & dribblings you offered up previously.
 
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Oh Dear.....More immature, condescending ranting designed to mask T.P's ignorance of the subject in hand.....You really ought to know better than to adopt this ploy with me by now there T.P

So at least you admit that none of the so-called 9/11 Terrorists were in fact from Iraq....Nor Syria, nor Lybia, Nor Iran, Nor Yemen or The Sudan....Well fancy that eh?

And....That 15 of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia, with 2 from a fellow gulf State and a further 2 known MOSSAD agents of Egyptian & Jordanian descent.

So why aren't the U.A.E, Jordan & Egypt also being bombed, invaded & destroyed T.P....How is it that all these countries that were implicated in the 9/11 'terrorist attacks' are still U.S allies?....Hmmm...Questions, questions.

Don't you find it in the least bit amusing, that the 'terrorists' countries remain untouched U.S allies; & that the Middle East countries that had SFA to do with 9/11, according to the official narrative, all got destroyed?....Hmmm Yes....Still awaiting an answer on that one T.P.....Rather than your silly deflections & obfuscation dressed up as insights.

Please explain this topsy-turvey, fuzzy-wuzzy logic to me T.P.....Like I'm a 7 year old.

As before....I'll be waiting for a mature, considered, adult-like response.....And Not the inane rumblings & dribblings you offered up previously.

Yet again, insults and thinly veiled sniping and no substance.

I would expect you to keep your conspiracy rubbish to a different board. MOSSAD agents? ok post evidence and by evidence i mean hard evidence, not some undercover no name journos or those youtube videos of a socialist commentating on a news paper article.

You said all of them were from Saudi, which is clearly wrong, you have now shifted your argument from ALL were saudi to ALL were from US allied country, well done. :rolleyes:

Yet you failed to provide an answer to the questions i asked you in my reply and you have gone off on a tangent ranting and insulting your way out.

Answer my question, If someone is capable of pulling a conspiracy the scale of 9/11 , would they not be able to plant a WMD in a fallen country like Iraq, that would have saved them public humiliation on a grand scale? I wouldn't expect an answer but think of it.
 
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Yet again, insults and thinly veiled sniping and no substance.

I would expect you to keep your conspiracy rubbish to a different board. MOSSAD agents? ok post evidence and by evidence i mean hard evidence, not some undercover no name journos or those youtube videos of a socialist commentating on a news paper article.

You said all of them were from Saudi, which is clearly wrong, you have now shifted your argument from ALL were saudi to ALL were from US allied country, well done. :rolleyes:

Yet you failed to provide an answer to the questions i asked you in my reply and you have gone off on a tangent ranting and insulting your way out.

Answer my question, If someone is capable of pulling a conspiracy the scale of 9/11 , would they not be able to plant a WMD in a fallen country like Iraq, that would have saved them public humiliation on a grand scale? I wouldn't expect an answer but think of it.

As I expected.

Alls I asked was a very simple question & alls you gave in return was conspiracy riddle me this, conspiracy riddle me that.....You really are wrapped up in a complex there dear T.P.

Your posting here exhibits an aggressive/defense posture, & exposes you as utterly incapable of even addressing a very simple question simply, honestly & directly....Sad really.
 
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As I expected.

Alls I asked was a very simple question & alls you gave in return was conspiracy riddle me this, conspiracy riddle me that.....You really are wrapped up in a complex there dear T.P.

Your posting here exhibits an aggressive/defense posture, & exposes you as utterly incapable of even addressing a very simple question simply, honestly & directly....Sad really.

I gave you the answers, its not the answer you wanted to hear. I clearly stated with PROOF that the attack on the Taliban was planned well before 9/11. I have provided evidence, here is more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1550366.stm
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
Look at the date of the article.

Can you stop being intellectually dishonest? I am providing evidence to my replies yet you are not able to provide a single one. Let me go back and ask those again

1. Please provide evidence of MOSSAD agents from genuine sources, not youtube videos
2. Please answer my question that anyone pulling a show like 9/11, wont be able to plant a WMD in Iraq.


You asked why are they in Afghanistan in 4 weeks after 9/11. I answered with evidence. Its not the answer that might satisfy you, regardless the evidence is for everyone to see. Sadly you got nothing as usual, time to go back to the conspiracy board?
 
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As I expected.

Alls I asked was a very simple question & alls you gave in return was conspiracy riddle me this, conspiracy riddle me that.....You really are wrapped up in a complex there dear T.P.

Your posting here exhibits an aggressive/defense posture, & exposes you as utterly incapable of even addressing a very simple question simply, honestly & directly....Sad really.

Look up on Paul O'Neill's book who exposed US' plans in his book. The planned invasion of Iraq was drafted well before 9/11. Just like invasion of Afghanistan. Since when does the US needed to risk national security to invade a country? did they need that to invade Libya or Iraq. The WMD was a crap excuse you know it, i know it. But imagine the fallout that could result from bombing your own country ala 9/11 if exposed the US govt could be in real trouble.

You can keep having a go at me, i just merely pointed out that errors in your argument and all you did backflipped and moved your goalpost. You have no substance period. The plan to invade Afghanistan was drafted a long time ago, i have provided evidence of that. You accept it or not makes no difference. As i said its not the answer you want to hear, its not my fault .

So you can keep arguing with baseless hypothesis all day long still doesn't make it true. I have provided evidence every step of the way, you have provided nothing outside of shady youtube videos and dodgy articles written by no namers. But again this comes from someone who believes moonlandings were fake, evolution and science is a fraud too. So i wouldn't hold my breath on you being honest about anything, but can you please stop spamming every single board with your conspiracy garbage? it's not much to ask for, there is a board for that.
 
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O.K....I'll walk through this with you & explain it to you like your a 7 year old.

Even if you subscribe to the official narrative surrounding the events of 9/11....Then there is one clear & distinct contradiction that's still hanging out there in the wind, like a pair of Dogs balls.

All the so-called 'terrorists' from 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia....Now, given this FACT.....How on earth do you then justify or explain.

1. U.S troops being deployed back into Afghanistan a mere 4 weeks later.....and by the way, they're still there
2. Bombing & Destroying an innocent country in Iraq, which had sweet-****-all to do with 9/11 at all, and is in fact, a mortal enemy with Saudi Arabia.....On top of which, you have to make up a phony lie in order to justify going in there in the first place.
3. How is Saudi Arabia still an ally or even still standing, when the so-called terrorists who brought down the world trade centers, were from there?

I'll be waiting for your considered, in-depth, intelligent response TP.

Not a conspiracy its just called opportunity.
 
Some people see a pattern in everything, just ask the Christians who see Jesus on their breakfast toast every morning.
"Some people can only see the stars, in the reflection of big black cars" - Neil Fallon.

The US is perfectly capable of screwing up foreign countries without the need for conspiracies - WMDs, drone strikes that never exceed 30 persons in 'collateral damage' (and higher than 30 civilians killed requires an investigation), Panama another obvious example, Chicago schoolers influencing South America in the 70s and 80.

Back on topic - how we still cosy up to the Sauds is embarrassing.
 
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"Some people can only see the stars, in the reflection of big black cars" - Neil Fallon.

The US is perfectly capable of screwing up foreign countries without the need for conspiracies - WMDs, drone strikes that never exceed 30 persons in 'collateral damage' (and higher than 30 civilians killed requires an investigation), Panama another obvious example, Chicago schoolers influencing South America in the 70s and 80.

Back on topic - how we still cosy up to the Sauds is embarrassing.

Haha so true but some people believe you need to nuke texas before invading another country. Since when did the US need any excuse to invade another nation? it never happened before and it's ridiculous that some believe that needed to bomb their own for Afghanistan gas pipe and opium trade? the cost of war have far outweighed the benefits of Afghan war.

Regarding your last paragraph, i believe its near. Saudi arabia is about to lose their oil in the next decade or so and without Western backing they are pretty much surrounded by hostility, now even Qatar is an enemy. I believe we are in the end game with Saudi atm.
 
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Haha so true but some people believe you need to nuke texas before invading another country. Since when did the US need any excuse to invade another nation? it never happened before and it's ridiculous that some believe that needed to bomb their own for Afghanistan gas pipe and opium trade? the cost of war have far outweighed the benefits of Afghan war.
Regarding your last paragraph, i believe its near. Saudi arabia is about to lose their oil in the next decade or so and without Western backing they are pretty much surrounded by hostility, now even Qatar is an enemy. I believe we are in the end game with Saudi atm.

How is that, I understood that their reserves at current production rates would last 50-150 years. Is that incorrect?
 
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How is that, I understood that their reserves at current production rates would last 50-150 years. Is that incorrect?

Well there is skepticism in regards to their official reserves which increased from 170 billion barrels to 266 billion barrels as proven reserves overnight back in 1989. Most non-governmental sources believe their reserves are nowhere near as much as they claim to be.
 
Regarding your last paragraph, i believe its near. Saudi arabia is about to lose their oil in the next decade or so and without Western backing they are pretty much surrounded by hostility, now even Qatar is an enemy. I believe we are in the end game with Saudi atm.
I'm not so sure about losing their oil, but the US changing from a net oil importer to a net oil exporter could change the dynamics sharply, as will any rolling back or Iranian sanctions. Shale oil drilling in the US could have massive global implications.

A reduction in world oil prices would also reduce ISIS's main income source sharply which is a positive.
 

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As seems inevitable in such 'debates', we are being asked to distinguish between two bunches of deluded arseholes. Why would anyone bother?
 
Saudi arabia is about to lose their oil in the next decade or so and without Western backing they are pretty much surrounded by hostility, now even Qatar is an enemy. I believe we are in the end game with Saudi atm.

A year ago, I thought it would get more attention at the time than it did. A declaration in Grozny on top of big oil anxiety, interesting read if you have time.

For the first time, Saudi Arabia is being attacked by both Sunni and Shia leaders.
“The world is getting ready to burn us,” Adil Al-Kalbani announced. And as Imam of the King Khaled Bin Abdulaziz mosque in the Saudi capital of Riyadh, he should know.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...wahhabism-chechenya-robert-fisk-a7322716.html

 
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