Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

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Number37 I get what you are trying to point out even agree that it is an issue in Australia as I read that Uni report but perhaps this is not the thread to discuss?

Extreme Islam is abhorrent to any thinking caring person and not only regarding domestic violence and rape.

To take any religious book literally is folly and fortunately with most other religions, they have a head of religion/church that can interpret their meaning and adapt to the current era and society norms (majority of the time). Islam does not have that and it seems it is left to individuals to interpret as they wish.

I found these two articles very interesting to read:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-29/koran-434-islam-domestic-violence/10112916
https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-islam-actually-says-about-domestic-violence-77245

We are lucky to have laws in Australia that when one is found to have committed a crime of domestic violence/rape and try to use their religion as an excuse/permission, they are still charged and convicted if found guilty.
Maggie,
The same people that have expressed putrid views on women in various other threads are here in this thread claiming that they give a damn about the plight of women in Islam.
 

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When they report it...it isn't rape it is JUST sexual assault, or JUST sexual harrassment, or it didn't happen on campus therefore can't be counted as campus rape or something something something...

if they don't report it then....
the stats show it isn't much of a problem, something something something

If unis do something about the processes by which students can report sexual assault or rape...it's a beat up, the stats are wrong, something something something.

If we have a report that labels it a rape culture...don't be silly, you want to see rape culture look at Pakistani unis, something , something something.

What else...sexual assault isn't rape, sexual assault is sometimes some other kind of sexual offense or assault.
It is the blame Islam thread so you would expect conduct in Islamic country universities to be brought up.
I don’t think anyone is seriously saying sexual assault is acceptable in Australian unis, they are only saying that it is (probably) worse in Islamic countries although only cite individual examples.

Or they are all ganging up to troll you.
 

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I normally avoid these type of threads. Think it is something you and I have discussed and agreed on in the past.

Not sure who is going to step up though, hopefully someone will especially in Australia.
Very tough question to answer. When people say that Islam needs a reformation they mean that it needs to accommodate scientific rationalism and logic. that process was not accomplished by Luther in christianity and Luther is not a model in terms of his doctrinal beliefs. over 100 years , Christianity has reconciled itself to changes in society and successfully disassociated itself from most, if not all, medieval attitudes and prejudices. It has made peacee with secular states and non believers or unbelievers. Islam has done none of these things: its religious leaders by and large refuse to engage in any constructive dialogue with other religions or with democratic societies.

But more important: it definitely needs a reformation in its approach to science and the arts. For a religion that once gave patronage to astronomers, jurists, mathematicians and Moorish architects who built the beautiful Alhambra, seeing the descendants of Ibn Wahhab's original followers desecrating every archaeological ruin they can find in Iraq/Syria can't be ignored.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson gave an interesting speech on why the 'intellectual collapse' of Islam needs to be addressed, and why independent reasoning in Islam has sadly lost out to blind textual adherence

 
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Very tough question to answer. When people say that Islam needs a reformation they mean that it needs to accommodate scientific rationalism and logic. that process was not accomplished by Luther in christianity and Luther is not a model in terms of his doctrinal beliefs. over 100 years , Christianity has reconciled itself to changes in society and successfully disassociated itself from most, if not all, medieval attitudes and prejudices. It has made peacee with secular states and non believers or unbelievers. Islam has done none of these things: its religious leaders by and large refuse to engage in any constructive dialogue with other religions or with democratic societies.

But more important: it definitely needs a reformation in its approach to science and the arts. For a religion that once gave patronage to astronomers, jurists, mathematicians and Moorish architects who built the beautiful Alhambra, seeing the descendants of Ibn Wahhab's original followers desecrating every archaeological ruin they can find in Iraq/Syria can't be ignored.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson gave an interesting speech on why the 'intellectual collapse' of Islam needs to be addressed, and why independent reasoning in Islam has sadly lost out to blind textual adherence

Very tough question to answer. When people say that Islam needs a reformation they mean that it needs to accommodate scientific rationalism and logic. that process was not accomplished by Luther in christianity and Luther is not a model in terms of his doctrinal beliefs. over 100 years , Christianity has reconciled itself to changes in society and successfully disassociated itself from most, if not all, medieval attitudes and prejudices. It has made peacee with secular states and non believers or unbelievers. Islam has done none of these things: its religious leaders by and large refuse to engage in any constructive dialogue with other religions or with democratic societies.

But more important: it definitely needs a reformation in its approach to science and the arts. For a religion that once gave patronage to astronomers, jurists, mathematicians and Moorish architects who built the beautiful Alhambra, seeing the descendants of Ibn Wahhab's original followers desecrating every archaeological ruin they can find in Iraq/Syria can't be ignored.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson gave an interesting speech on why the 'intellectual collapse' of Islam needs to be addressed, and why independent reasoning in Islam has sadly lost out to blind textual adherence

Was he hinting that America could head down the same path?
 

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I don’t know if this is Islam to blame, but it is in a majority Islamic state currently run by military

Egypt. Cracking down on dissent and rampant sexual abuse. But if you complain it is jail for you

(Can’t post link but it’s abc online article about Amal fathy - yes I am aware may have been discussed as article is from start of October I’m slow ok?)
 

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Its true, that Muslim majority countries have far less democratic freedoms than we have in Western Countries

These rankings show Malaysia as the top ranked Muslim country on the democratic index and they come in at #58
#59 Malaysia
#68 Indonesia
#130 Egypt

Democracyranks.PNG

Ranking from #1 country onwards...

Democracy2.PNG
 

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Wow. This can't be good

https://thewest.com.au/news/terrori...leged-planned-terrorist-attack-ng-b881039656z

The brother of Australian cricketer Usman Khawaja has been arrested in Sydney over fake documents containing alleged plans for terror attacks targeting former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and other politicians.

Arsalan Khwaja is being questioned by NSW Police after being arrested at Parramatta on Tuesday as part of an ongoing NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team investigation.
 
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Wow. This can't be good

https://thewest.com.au/news/terrori...leged-planned-terrorist-attack-ng-b881039656z

The brother of Australian cricketer Usman Khawaja has been arrested in Sydney over fake documents containing alleged plans for terror attacks targeting former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and other politicians.

Arsalan Khwaja is being questioned by NSW Police after being arrested at Parramatta on Tuesday as part of an ongoing NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team investigation.
It looks like it was a revenge plot involving a dispute over a woman. His brother isn’t actually accused of plotting a violent attack.
 

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It looks like it was a revenge plot involving a dispute over a woman. His brother isn’t actually accused of plotting a violent attack.
What are you on about?

In a statement, New South Wales police confirmed a 39-year-old man had been arrested as part of a joint counter-terrorism investigation. “The arrest relates to documents allegedly found on University of NSW grounds in August this year containing plans to facilitate terrorism attacks,” the statement read.
 
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What are you on about?

In a statement, New South Wales police confirmed a 39-year-old man had been arrested as part of a joint counter-terrorism investigation. “The arrest relates to documents allegedly found on University of NSW grounds in August this year containing plans to facilitate terrorism attacks,” the statement read.
The document was a forgery. He tried to set someone up over a dispute with a girl:

“Khawaja was arrested in Parramatta, western Sydney, on Tuesday. Police will allege he attempted to set up Nizamdeen because of a dispute over a girl.”

“Khawaja has been taken to the Parramatta police area command where police said he would be questioned in relation to an alleged attempt to pervert justice, and forgery by making a false document.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ja-brother-arsalan-arrested-terrorism-hitlist
 

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What are you on about?

In a statement, New South Wales police confirmed a 39-year-old man had been arrested as part of a joint counter-terrorism investigation. “The arrest relates to documents allegedly found on University of NSW grounds in August this year containing plans to facilitate terrorism attacks,” the statement read.
A Sri Lankan PhD student almost went to jail because this ****head tried to frame him.
 

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The document was a forgery. He tried to set someone up over a dispute with a girl:

“Khawaja was arrested in Parramatta, western Sydney, on Tuesday. Police will allege he attempted to set up Nizamdeen because of a dispute over a girl.”

“Khawaja has been taken to the Parramatta police area command where police said he would be questioned in relation to an alleged attempt to pervert justice, and forgery by making a false document.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ja-brother-arsalan-arrested-terrorism-hitlist
Still bloody odd...fake hitlist! wtf???
 

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So the Strasbourg shooting went unmentioned here, because attacks on Christmas Markets in Europe, that's normal right?

But the interesting little factoid to come out afterwards was this:

French investigators call them the “gangster-jihadists” – young men, often from poor immigrant backgrounds, who start with petty crime, drug dealing and robbery and graduate to terrorism.

They exist under the radar of the intelligence services or are placed on watch lists for their radical religious beliefs and subjected to varying degrees of surveillance – but are not expected to become violent.

In any case, French security forces have said it would be impossible to keep an eye on all 12,000 listed for suspected Islamist views or even the 4,000 considered “problematic”.
12,000 in both the known knowns and known unknowns category. What about the unknown unknowns?

Islam: it's got some real problems.
 
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