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If you don’t like homosexuality, then that rules out biology and history for you too (hint: the Romans and Greeks celebrated it a fair bit). Your lack of engagement with education may explain some of your posts though.
I didn't say I dont like homosexuals I said I didn't like the social engineering surrounding it. Especially in our schools. Kids have enough to contemplate without being screwed up by adults pushing agendas from the fringes of society. Do keep up.
 

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Meh, my anecdotal experience has been that nothing's gotten worse in terms of basic education. My tradie uncles in their 60s completed secondary school and can't spell for shit. Hating on the younger generation is not a new phenomenon.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Socrates, circa 400BC.
 

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https://www.smh.com.au/education/au...ading-and-science-report-20180225-p4z1mx.html

"The proportion of Australian 15-year-olds who are reaching international baseline levels in maths, reading and science has fallen significantly over a decade, and federal Education Minister Simon Birmingham says parents need to start doing more to stem the country's declining performance."

Most of the elite performing kids are Asian imports, which makes the decline even worse than it looks.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...the-ethnic-imbalance-in-our-selective-schools

"Almost all selective high schools in Sydney are dominated by students from a language background other than English (LBOTE). According to the MySchool website, at James Ruse, 97% of students were from a LBOTE in 2015. Across Sydney, LBOTE students regularly make up 80 or 90% of enrolments in selective schools. Most of these students are children of migrants from various Asian countries, especially China, Korea, other east and south-east Asian countries, and increasingly, India and south Asia. "

We're a bit off-topic here though.
Context was Muslim parents taking their kids out of school due to Safe Schools like programs. Interesting you mention high achieving Chinese students - it is that cohort’s parents that are most resistant to this kind of fluffy indoctrination in Australia.
 

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They are not afraid to point out shitty kids or parents, but the idea that the next generation is dumber than yours is as old as time and not borne out in reality.
Not dumber but certainly in general received a worse education.

I'll take the experience of five teachers in my family over your 'vibes'.
And there you have it.
 

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Today's kids are learning different skills for different career paths. Maybe they spend less time on long division, grammar, and navigation, when technology mostly solves these problems for them.

We'd love for them to be experts in all the old school skills, but we also expect them to be competent with modern day skills. At what point do we say "**** long division and reading a melways" and focus instead on "learning to code" or "how to build and maintain self-service checkouts" or "Terminator 2: how to prepare for the inevitable cyborg apocalypse"?
 

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Teachers saying teachers are doing a good job. Who would have thought.

And no, that hardly makes you informed.
Teachers saying they have a smart group of Year 12s, for example, isn’t patting themselves on the back given they didn’t teach them at all in the first 11 years. But sure, everyone but you has an agenda :drunk:

I know teachers that work good state schools, shitty state schools and catholic schools and the shit, dumb kids are still the exception, not the rule. As pointed out above, maybe if you weren’t applying outdated standards, you might recognise that. Or are you and I idiots because we don’t know how to code?
 

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Context was Muslim parents taking their kids out of school due to Safe Schools like programs. Interesting you mention high achieving Chinese students - it is that cohort’s parents that are most resistant to this kind of fluffy indoctrination in Australia.
This is something I’ve wondered about given it happens with Desis a lot, too. I really think it’s related to the fact the Chinese and Desi parents recognise how shit their countries are so if their kids don’t succeed then they’re gonna end up in poverty. They’re also in a position to see what wealth can bring so it’s that perfect combination of the two.
 
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Context was Muslim parents taking their kids out of school due to Safe Schools like programs. Interesting you mention high achieving Chinese students - it is that cohort’s parents that are most resistant to this kind of fluffy indoctrination in Australia.
Do you have any information on the academic achievements of the special "Muslim Schools"?
 
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East Asian countries tend to feature better respect for authority than most Western countries. And they don't encourage outspokenness.

I'm currently teaching in one of these countries and it's somewhat amusing to see many on here ride the high horse on kids not respecting authority.

It's not cool to openly hang poop on cops, teachers, parking inspectors, employers, judiciary members over there as an adult like it is in the Western world.

And yes kids are much more willing to learn and are easier to teach over here.
 
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East Asian countries tend to feature better respect for authority than most Western countries. And they don't encourage outspokenness.

I'm currently teaching in one of these countries and it's somewhat amusing to see many on here ride the high horse on kids not respecting authority.

It's not cool to openly hang poop on cops, teachers, parking inspectors, employers, judiciary members over there as an adult like it is in the Western world.

And yes kids are much more willing to learn and are easier to teach over here.
I think that's generally true that there's much greater respect for authority, but if you find yourself teaching the children of the "authorities", they're often pretty much the worst students (and people) possible.
 

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An educated, researched response.
Where else in all the Muslim arguments have you seen anyone like this espousing that the so called peaceful Muslim majority are IRRELEVANT. That the German peaceful majority were IRRELEVANT, that the Russian, Chinese, and Japanese Peaceful Majority were IRRELEVANT.

I capitalise only to highlight the very nuance I think many miss. The inference is; those that argue about peaceful majorities of any cause/faith/movement are completely missing the point and history proves it. The peaceful majority are IRRELEVANT, if there is a fundamental non peaceful unchallenged group within. It is a fundamental shock to the core when realised and most have never really heard it argued, The peaceful majority are Irrelevant unless they vociferously stand and fight against their own non peaceful minority and therefore self evidently those of the peaceful majority who remain silent. Nowhere else is that being disseminated as well as here.

Just think on that concept for a moment, which is perhaps misaligned with everything you may have thought. That a peaceful majority will win out, is a lie, proven historically, unless that peaceful majority turns on and faces the non peaceful minority and tears it down itself, the majority still lose.
 
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Where else in all the Muslim arguments have you seen anyone like this espousing that the so called peaceful Muslim majority are IRRELEVANT. That the German peaceful majority were IRRELEVANT, that the Russian, Chinese, and Japanese Peaceful Majority were IRRELEVANT.

I capitalise only to highlight the very nuance I think many miss. The inference is; those that argue about peaceful majorities of any cause/faith/movement are completely missing the point and history proves it. The peaceful majority are IRRELEVANT, if there is a fundamental non peaceful unchallenged group within. It is a fundamental shock to the core when realised and most have never really heard it argued, The peaceful majority are Irrelevant unless they vociferously stand and fight against their own non peaceful minority and therefore self evidently those of the peaceful majority who remain silent. Nowhere else is that being disseminated as well as here.

Just think on that concept for a moment, which is perhaps misaligned with everything you may have thought. That a peaceful majority will win out, is a lie, proven historically, unless that peaceful majority turns on and faces the non peaceful minority and tears it down itself, the majority still lose.
Men are statistically far more likely than women to perform rapes, mass killings, domestic violence and murder.

Are the peaceful majority (those of us Men that don't go around mass killing, raping etc) equally at fault for the actions of the mass killers, rapists etc? Would that be a fair point to make?

Like; re-watch that video. Imagine it was a 'Leftist' panel of feminists etc harping on about DV, rape, Me-too, and hanging shit on men.

Now imagine a (nice) bloke stood up and said 'But I'm not one of those DV rapists, Im a nice guy. Not all men are like that.'

And imagine your outrage when that bloke got shot down and lumped in with all the mass killers, rapists and DV ****-heads of the world. Simply on account of being a man, he's no different to the rapists and mass killers.

You cant say the majority of blokes who are NOT rapists, sexists, misogynists, mass killers etc are equally at fault for the minority that are can you?

I mean; I suppose you can. But that puts you in the same camp as Clementine Ford and co.
 

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Men are statistically far more likely than women to perform rapes, mass killings, domestic violence and murder.

Are the peaceful majority (those of us Men that don't go around mass killing, raping etc) equally at fault for the actions of the mass killers, rapists etc? Would that be a fair point to make?

Like; re-watch that video. Imagine it was a 'Leftist' panel of feminists etc harping on about DV, rape, Me-too, and hanging shit on men.

Now imagine a (nice) bloke stood up and said 'But I'm not one of those DV rapists, Im a nice guy. Not all men are like that.'

And imagine your outrage when that bloke got shot down and lumped in with all the mass killers, rapists and DV ****-heads of the world. Simply on account of being a man, he's no different to the rapists and mass killers.

You cant say the majority of blokes who are NOT rapists, sexists, misogynists, mass killers etc are equally at fault for the minority that are can you?

I mean; I suppose you can. But that puts you in the same camp as Clementine Ford and co.
Do the majority of men stand by silently supporting or failing to stand against rapists? Quite a juvenile, uneducated comparison I believe.
You missed it. The peaceful majority must vociferously stand against the violent minority. I think men have more then proven themselves regarding their treatment of rapists! That aside you are trying to compare apples with oranges and failing. There is no defined, indoctrinated army of rapists and their supporters trying to take over the world (oh wait a minute!!). If one ever does rise up (within educated cultures) I'm very confident men will not sit idly by and leave such unchallenged.
The Muslim peaceful majority on the other hand, standing idly by as the violent minority carries on, is another story.
 
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Do the majority of men stand by silently supporting or failing to stand against rapists? Quite a juvenile, uneducated comparison I believe.
You missed it. The peaceful majority must vociferously stand against the violent minority. I think men have more then proven themselves regarding their treatment of rapists! That aside you are trying to compare apples with oranges and failing. There is no defined, indoctrinated army of rapists and their supporters trying to take over the world (oh wait a minute!!). If one ever does rise up (within educated cultures) I'm very confident men will not sit idly by and leave such unchallenged.
The Muslim peaceful majority on the other hand, standing idly by as the violent minority carries on, is another story.
The majority of men wouldn't say anything about rape unless the topic was raised or it directly affected them; that doesn't mean they are silently supporting it. Ask them about it and they would say it's abhorrent and it would be assumed that they don't agree with it. Do you think for a second that might apply to the majority of peaceful, law abiding Muslims in this country? The fact you think there is an army of Muslims trying to take over the world reveals something of your thoughts. The only 'army' trying to take over the world is ISIS and they have been smashed (in part, by other Muslims).

You say the peaceful majority must stand against the violent minority, then why are the most vociferous anti-rape and anti-domestic violence groups created and run by women?
 

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LOL, talk about re-direction attempts. There is not a sane person in the world who does not believe men stand against rape. You guys are no more then closet misandrist's. All the laws against such enacted by men, the vilification of and (in prison at least where generally it's men dishing out the punishment) physical punishment and despisal of such perpetrators, even by criminal standards. Only truly desperate imbeciles would try and equate such a bunch of misandrist lies with the failure of the Muslim peaceful majority to truly stand against the violent minority. I suggest you re-watch the educated/researched response in the video. That is assuming you actually watched it in the first place.
 
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Do the majority of men stand by silently supporting or failing to stand against rapists?
Yes, they kind of do.

See also: Me too.

The peaceful majority must vociferously stand against the violent minority.
We try that, but then MRM, right wingers and other nut jobs on the Right accuse us of virtue signalling, and being 'cucks'.

I think men have more then proven themselves regarding their treatment of rapists!
Dude; men are the rapists and mass killers. Literally 99.9 percent of them.

That's if we discount female teachers banging their underage students.

That aside you are trying to compare apples with oranges and failing.
No; the two are directly comparable.

A small number of men (and it's almost always men) commit violent crimes, mass murders and rapes.

Should all men be held responsible for the actions of those blokes?

There is no defined, indoctrinated army of rapists and their supporters trying to take over the world (oh wait a minute!!).
Yes, there are. Men. We've literally been raping, killing and trying to take over the world since we came down from the trees!

The Muslim peaceful majority on the other hand, standing idly by as the violent minority carries on, is another story.
What? The Muslim peaceful majority are the ones that are suffering! They're not 'sitting idly by'.

Who exactly do you think ISIS main victims have been exactly?

https://www.indy100.com/article/isis-kill-mostly-muslims-manchester-kabul-7768751

According to a report by the US National Counterterrorism Center, in cases in which religious affiliation of terrorism causalities can be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 per cent of fatalities over the past five years and Muslims are seven times more likely than non-Muslims to be the victims of terror.
What you dont seem to understand is there is not one single 'Islam' just like there is no one single 'Christianity'. The dickeads that are doing all the killing are almost universally Salaffist Wahabbists; a very specific, fundamentalist and barbaric interpretation of the Quran.

Their views do not represent the views of a majority of Muslims.

Hence why most Muslims say 'they are not us' and why ISIS kill more Muslims than anyone else.
 
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LOL, talk about re-direction attempts. There is not a sane person in the world who does not believe men stand against rape.
Then why the Me Too movement?

And whats with these Mens Right groups?

And why isnt there any outcry against ALL men when yet another man goes out and rapes and/or murders a woman?

I mean, I guess there is. From Clementine Ford and Germaine Greer and shit.

Obviously you support those two women. 'Non-Rapist' men are equally at fault as the actual rapists.
 
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Which culture is more likely to take rape seriously - the one that requires four male witnesses to a rape for it to be considered truthful, or the one that doesn't?
Try again.

You need 4 witnesses to prove 'Adultery' (that a chaste woman has had sex outside of marriage). You need 4 independent male witnesses to her sleeping around (making it hard to prove). There is general consensus this requirement was put in place to protect women from false accusations of infidelity and extra-marital sex.

You dont need 4 witnesses to prove Rape. The Quran is pretty clear on this; it's a different offence. Mohammed himself conducted a trial of a rapist in the Quran without any witnesses, and only the victims word and circumstantial evidence.

The issue is that women are too scared to report rape, for fear that they'll be found guilty of adultery (i.e. she reports being raped, but the perpetrator is found not guilty of rape, making the sex 'consensual' and she winds up copping 100 lashes seeing as she has already admitted to sexual intercourse with the perpetrator).

As for taking it seriously, the penalty for Rape in the Quran is death by stoning, which is pretty ******* serious.

Im not justifying any of the above by the way. Criminalizing adultery (with a corporal punishment of 100 lashes if convicted) and imposing the death penalty for rape is not something I agree with. In fact I oppose both fully.
 

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Try again.

You need 4 witnesses to prove 'Adultery' (that a chaste woman has had sex outside of marriage). You need 4 independent male witnesses to her sleeping around (making it hard to prove). There is general consensus this requirement was put in place to protect women from false accusations of infidelity and extra-marital sex.

You dont need 4 witnesses to prove Rape. The Quran is pretty clear on this; it's a different offence. Mohammed himself conducted a trial of a rapist in the Quran without any witnesses, and only the victims word and circumstantial evidence.

The issue is that women are too scared to report rape, for fear that they'll be found guilty of adultery (i.e. she reports being raped, but the perpetrator is found not guilty of rape, making the sex 'consensual' and she winds up copping 100 lashes seeing as she has already admitted to sexual intercourse with the perpetrator).

As for taking it seriously, the penalty for Rape in the Quran is death by stoning, which is pretty ******* serious.

Im not justifying any of the above by the way. Criminalizing adultery (with a corporal punishment of 100 lashes if convicted) and imposing the death penalty for rape is not something I agree with. In fact I oppose both fully.
I wondered what sophistry you would use to defend Islam. This is the issue in a nutshell:

The issue is that women are too scared to report rape, for fear that they'll be found guilty of adultery (i.e. she reports being raped, but the perpetrator is found not guilty of rape, making the sex 'consensual' and she winds up copping 100 lashes seeing as she has already admitted to sexual intercourse with the perpetrator).​

How is a woman found guilty of adultery if it requires four male witnesses for the charge to stick?
 
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