Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[Todman]

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Just out of interest, how many socialist/communist countries have you lived in?

I am not wrong you are proving i am right with your naive rubbish, this is off-topic, i live in an ex-socialist country at the moment that is still suffering from the effects of socialism that has destroyed the country for over 50 years. You need to get out more.

I live in Australia, a socialist country.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Fixed that for you.

Mao and Stalin transformed two mostly agricultural backwaters who had been abused by Europe and Japan in multiple wars, into industrial powerhouses with nuclear weapons and gigantic standing armies and regional supremacy - in the face of rampant violence from the imperialists.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Yeah, they did plenty of standing up for themselves, hence why 20th century was the most violent in recorded history, and why anybody professing sympathy for socialism/communism is dismissed out of hand as ignorant or delusional by anyone with a brain in their head.

Well maybe if America weren't intent on murdering innocent democratic socialists.....

Victim blaming in the extreme!

 

[Xsess]

Mao and Stalin transformed two mostly agricultural backwaters who had been abused by Europe and Japan in multiple wars, into industrial powerhouses with nuclear weapons and gigantic standing armies and regional supremacy - in the face of rampant violence from the imperialists.

The means justified the ends re Mao and Stalin? Others achieved super-powerdom without resorting to mass genocide of their own populous.

 

[Total Power]

I live in Australia, a socialist country.

Werent you running your mouth off about how nazism wasnt socialist cause they allowed privisation of business and properties? australia is now socialist cause it has social programs? just quit while you are behind , you know you are wrong, but stubborn to admit it.

Educate yourself

Socialism definition: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

What means of production/distribution and exchange are owned by the community? Do you even know that Australia ranks highest in free markets and least govt intervention even ahead of the US?


I admire you, maybe you can try learning what is socialism first, then i can discuss this with you, in another thread.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Werent you running your mouth off about how nazism wasnt socialist cause they allowed privisation of business and properties? australia is now socialist cause it has social programs? just quit while you are behind , you know you are wrong, but stubborn to admit it.

Educate yourself

Socialism definition: a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

What means of production/distribution and exchange are owned by the community? Do you even know that Australia ranks highest in free markets and least govt intervention even ahead of the US?


I admire you, maybe you can try learning what is socialism first, then i can discuss this with you, in another thread.

Nope you just failed to understand me when I explained why Nazi's weren't socialist.

But I'm more than happy to explain it to you in a relevant thread.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

The means justified the ends re Mao and Stalin? Others achieved super-powerdom without resorting to mass genocide of their own populous.

Stalin and Mao didn't engage in genocide of their own population either.

Look up what the word genocide means.

 

[Total Power]

Nope you just failed to understand me when I explained why Nazi's weren't socialist.

But I'm more than happy to explain it to you in a relevant thread.

So what factors of production are owned by the community in Australia?

 

[Total Power]

Nope you just failed to understand me when I explained why Nazi's weren't socialist.

But I'm more than happy to explain it to you in a relevant thread.

Your own statements

The fact you think any economic policy that involves private property rights, at the time of the 1930s and 1940s no less, is an example pf socialism purely because it involves government control... i mean not only were you wrong abiut the Nazis being socialist, you literally dont know ehat socialism is now or at the time.

Ok private property is a fundamental part of capitalism. Probably its most important aspect.

Likewise he believed in the power of the market, he just wanted a protected market with no outside influence.

Um no it isnt. The primary argument of socialist economics is an end to private property.

Do me a favour; explain what you think the major differences are between capitalism and socialism.

Maybe its time you should learn the major differences,i will leave it at that as its an islam thread, but gee, you are stubborn, you know you are wrong but stubborn Lets leave it at that lol

 

[sherb]

Every single thing that goes wrong in my life is the fault of Islam.

It has to be true. The BigFooty Islam haters have taught me this.

 

[Number37]

The substance is inescapably real and communicated at-nauseam. That is my point. The Bombings, knifings, mass assaults and shootings is substance. Anecdotal evidence, first hand accounts, the travel warnings on the smart traveller website, prison and crime statistics... is substance. Why still the refusal to accept what is unfolding?

Crime stats:
>60% of Homicide happens in the person's own home.
>50% of people killed are killed by someone they know.

Unfolding?
The rates of crime have not increased with mass migration. There is not evidence to support this assertion.
Crime is happening at the same rate as it was pre-mass migration.

 

[Number37]

Every single thing that goes wrong in my life is the fault of Islam.

It has to be true. The BigFooty Islam haters have taught me this.

Bigfooty has taught me this:

If something bad happens 100% chance it is the fault of Islam, Islam apologists, SJW's or the Left.*
If something bad happens and you can't talk about Islam, chances are your freedom of speech has been curtailed and section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act prohibiting hate speech is preventing your from hate speech and needs to be removed.

 

[jaaack]

Mao and Stalin transformed two mostly agricultural backwaters who had been abused by Europe and Japan in multiple wars, into industrial powerhouses with nuclear weapons and gigantic standing armies and regional supremacy - in the face of rampant violence from the imperialists.

I'm guessing you're a fan of the other great socialist then as well? I'm talking about Hitler, of course.

any comments on Mossadegh and Sukarno?

I can't comment, I don't know them in enough detail.

Stalin and Mao didn't engage in genocide of their own population either.

Look up what the word genocide means.

Semantics. They murdered millions, and were directly responsible for the deaths of tens of millions more.

 

[JackOutback]

The substance is inescapably real and communicated at-nauseam. That is my point. The Bombings, knifings, mass assaults and shootings is substance. Anecdotal evidence, first hand accounts, the travel warnings on the smart traveller website, prison and crime statistics... is substance. Why still the refusal to accept what is unfolding?

There are real problems in the world today; they won't be solved by disproportionate and hysterical overreaction.

 

[medusala]

Bigfooty has taught me this:

If something bad happens 100% chance it is the fault of Islam, Islam apologists, SJW's or the Left.*
If something bad happens and you can't talk about Islam, chances are your freedom of speech has been curtailed and section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act prohibiting hate speech is preventing your from hate speech and needs to be removed.

Are you trying to outdo VineyisLord in the misology sprint?

Unfolding?
The rates of crime have not increased with mass migration. There is not evidence to support this assertion.
Crime is happening at the same rate as it was pre-mass migration.

There is a huge amount of evidence to support it.

What % of the prison population in France and the UK is made of Muslims? What % are muslims of the population? Ditto os nationals. Same in the US re hispanic immigrants.

And another more recent example.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Statistical evidence
What may one conclude from the available statistics?

As part of the evidence Michael Hess presented in court, he made use of whatever statistics existed on immigrant criminality in Sweden before the statistical authorities stopped measuring. Michael Hess tried to find answers to two questions:

1. Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and the number of people with a foreign background in Sweden?
2. Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and some specific group of immigrants in Sweden?

The answer to both questions was an unequivocal Yes. Twenty-one research reports from the 1960s until today are unanimous in their conclusions: Whether or not they measured by the number of convicted rapists or men suspected of rape, men of foreign extraction were represented far more than Swedes. And this greater representation of persons with a foreign background keeps increasing:

• 1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes
• 1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes
• 1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes
• 2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes

 

[Procrastinator35]

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It's lucky they put the 4th guy with the Sharia Top in, otherwise I'd have been confused it was a One Nation/UPF cartoon.

 

[Number37]

Are you trying to outdo VineyisLord in the misology sprint?



There is a huge amount of evidence to support it.

What % of the prison population in France and the UK is made of Muslims? What % are muslims of the population? Ditto os nationals. Same in the US re hispanic immigrants.

And another more recent example.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Statistical evidence
What may one conclude from the available statistics?

As part of the evidence Michael Hess presented in court, he made use of whatever statistics existed on immigrant criminality in Sweden before the statistical authorities stopped measuring. Michael Hess tried to find answers to two questions:

1. Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and the number of people with a foreign background in Sweden?
2. Is there a correspondence between the incidence of rape and some specific group of immigrants in Sweden?

The answer to both questions was an unequivocal Yes. Twenty-one research reports from the 1960s until today are unanimous in their conclusions: Whether or not they measured by the number of convicted rapists or men suspected of rape, men of foreign extraction were represented far more than Swedes. And this greater representation of persons with a foreign background keeps increasing:

• 1960-1970s – 1.2 to 2.6 times as often as Swedes
• 1980s – 2.1 to 4.7 times as often as Swedes
• 1990s – 2.1 to 8.1 times as often as Swedes
• 2000s – 2.1 to 19.5 times as often as Swedes

In any case, the police do not record the ethnicity of either criminals or victims, and the press is extremely constrained over reporting identifying details about either the victims or the perpetrators of crimes. So it is impossible either to prove or to disprove, from official statistics, the nationalist claim that the rapists are disproportionately young male migrants.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival
Perhaps you could try again?

 

[Number37]

When anti-immigration activists are faced with data from crime victim surveys that show that actual rates of sex crimes is more or less constant in Sweden from 2005, they rarely change their minds. Instead they either appeal to conspiracy theories about the government hiding statistics (even though it is freely available online), and if they are more sophisticated, they will try to make faulty comparisons with rape statistics from other countries, such as Denmark. However, this is not a valid comparison.

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/

 

[Number37]

But Klara Selin says the statistics don't represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.


"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

 

[medusala]

Perhaps you could try again?

lol. (and bigger lol at link to typical BBC apologism, the same mob that let Saville molest hundreds) . There is overwhelming evidence from numerous countries that immigrants have higher incarceration rate than the local population, particularly where there is mass immigration involving those on low incomes.

As for crime and ethnicity, yes many countries attempt to cover it up. This has happened in Sweden, Germany and most disgracefully in the UK re multiple gang rapes in numerous Northern cities.

As for your link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival

The news that the Swedish authorities covered up widespread sexual assaults by immigrant gangs on teenage girls at a Stockholm music festival, and possibly other incidents too, is immensely damaging for race relations in Sweden because it conforms so precisely to two stereotypes

It is absolutely clear – with the publication of internal memos by the newspaper Dagens Nyheter – that the Stockholm police failed to report the sex assaults at the festival for fear of worsening ethnic tensions.

..
Danes stats re immigrants.

http://cphpost.dk/news/more-immigrant-men-tried-for-rape-in-denmark.html

Men of non-Western background living in Denmark are much more likely to commit acts of rape and sexual assault than ethnic Danes, reveals a new study from Danmarks Statistik.

Of course you could always ask yourself why rape per capita in somewhere like Malmo is 5-6 times that of Copenhagen and why Sweden and Denmark have now become the rape capitals of Europe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...er-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

 

[medusala]

Your links contradict each other. You really are digging a big hole for yourself.

...

When anti-immigration activists are faced with data from crime victim surveys that show that actual rates of sex crimes is more or less constant in Sweden from 2005,

"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."

 

[Number37]

lol. Your argument is absurd (and bigger lol at link to typical BBC apologism, the same mob that let Saville molest hundreds) . There is overwhelming evidence from numerous countries that immigrants have higher incarceration rate than the local population, particularly where there is mass immigration involving those on low incomes.

As for crime and ethnicity, yes many countries attempt to cover it up. This has happened in Sweden, Germany and most disgracefully in the UK re multiple gang rapes in numerous Northern cities.

As for your link (how to ruin your own argument)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival

The news that the Swedish authorities covered up widespread sexual assaults by immigrant gangs on teenage girls at a Stockholm music festival, and possibly other incidents too, is immensely damaging for race relations in Sweden because it conforms so precisely to two stereotypes

It is absolutely clear – with the publication of internal memos by the newspaper Dagens Nyheter – that the Stockholm police failed to report the sex assaults at the festival for fear of worsening ethnic tensions.

..
Danes stats re immigrants.

http://cphpost.dk/news/more-immigrant-men-tried-for-rape-in-denmark.html

Men of non-Western background living in Denmark are much more likely to commit acts of rape and sexual assault than ethnic Danes, reveals a new study from Danmarks Statistik.

Of course you could always ask yourself why rape per capita in somewhere like Malmo is 5-6 times that of Copenhagen and why Sweden and Denmark have now become the rape capitals of Europe.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...er-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

We all know the answer to that. It doesnt take a genius.

Your "statistics' have already been debunked.

Try again.

 

[Number37]

Your links contradict each other. You really are digging a big hole for yourself.

...

When anti-immigration activists are faced with data from crime victim surveys that show that actual rates of sex crimes is more or less constant in Sweden from 2005,

"But the major explanation is partly that people go to the police more often, but also the fact that in 2005 there has been reform in the sex crime legislation, which made the legal definition of rape much wider than before."

You are going to argue that mention of assaults at a music festival being covered = increase in rape over a 10 year period (as per your original contention)

Please. You are just repeating rubbish.

 

[Todman]

Stalin and Mao didn't engage in genocide of their own population either.

Look up what the word genocide means.

Gee and you think Pinochet was bad, Mao and Stalin killed 000's more.

Mao's "Cultural Revolution" a.k.a. The great leap forward caused the deaths of up 10 million chinese.

Stalin had the "Great Purge" 1.2 Million executed and a further 5 million kuyaks died as a result.