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It’s no real surprise that the Saudi’s saw the Americans as one of their biggest buyers of oil, they’ve got into bed with them to monopolise the market, hence paying in some cases less than cost for oil, but by also ensuring that the wealthy Saudi government officials are well looked after. Foreign investment within Saudi Arabia etc.

The Saudi government like the Americans love the concept of wealth and control, and closely work together to ensure they each get what they want.

Bin Laden really was on to something there, liberated states isn’t a bad concept as he wanted to stand free of western influence. Pity he could hold a grudge. Probably would’ve made a good Port Adelaide supporter.
 

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There are reasons you could provide for why this was so, but it's a shameful thing to pretend it didn't happen.

But what ASSETS did they steal?? Where was all this oil stolen from? The one case you could make an argument for was Iran.

How is what they did in Africa any different to what the USSR and Cuba did in Angola etc?

The people who did all the fleecing in Africa were the dictators not the US.
 

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You have to wonder why all the sans culottes on here care about Palestinians but not about the far more oppressed Uighurs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/map...n-uighur-muslims-in-xinjiang-2019-2?r=US&IR=T

People in Xinjiang are watched by tens of thousands of facial recognition cameras, and surveillance apps on their phones. An estimated 2 million of them are locked in internment camps where people are physically and psychologically abused.

China's government has for years blamed the Uighurs for a terror, and say they saying the group is importing Islamic extremism in Central Asia.
 

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But what ASSETS did they steal?? Where was all this oil stolen from? The one case you could make an argument for was Iran.

How is what they did in Africa any different to what the USSR and Cuba did in Angola etc?

The people who did all the fleecing in Africa were the dictators not the US.
After the exits of the soviets from the Middle East, Saddam Hussein saw a huge opportunity to invade and rip the oil out from underneath the Saudi’s. The Mujahideen had been given $600 million and extensive military resources to assist them in being a free state.

Once America realised Hussein was on the war path, they sided with the Saudi’s. Bin Laden was furious by being rejected by the Saudi Government in favour of the US, whom he wanted to keep out because he believed in free states and a government under his reign. He also saw the commercial drive motivating the US with the oil.

The only reason the Gulf War started was because of the oil. The US realised they could deal with the Saudi’s and become a huge oil conglomerate monopolising the markets. They promoted investment with the Saudi’s and ensured they heads of government became very wealthy.

People forget Bin Laden was a very intelligent man, he was educated in American colleges and would probably have been a significant western ally had the Americans not just paired with the Saudi’s and ripped the oil out of the ground. The war was just a sideshow.
 
After the exits of the soviets from the Middle East, Saddam Hussein saw a huge opportunity to invade and rip the oil out from underneath the Saudi’s. The Mujahideen had been given $600 million and extensive military resources to assist them in being a free state.

Once America realised Hussein was on the war path, they sided with the Saudi’s. Bin Laden was furious by being rejected by the Saudi Government in favour of the US, whom he wanted to keep out because he believed in free states and a government under his reign. He also saw the commercial drive motivating the US with the oil.

The only reason the Gulf War started was because of the oil. The US realised they could deal with the Saudi’s and become a huge oil conglomerate monopolising the markets. They promoted investment with the Saudi’s and ensured they heads of government became very wealthy.

People forget Bin Laden was a very intelligent man, he was educated in American colleges and would probably have been a significant western ally had the Americans not just paired with the Saudi’s and ripped the oil out of the ground. The war was just a sideshow.
The only reason Iraq itself was created was by dragging together three former Ottoman states and uncomfortably drawing an arbitrary boundary around it.

Iran itself has a history from the early 20th century of desperately trying to reduce foreign interference, primarily Russians trying to secure oil assets in the north and the British trying to secure oil assets in the south.
 

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The only reason Iraq itself was created was by dragging together three former Ottoman states and uncomfortably drawing an arbitrary boundary around it.

Iran itself has a history from the early 20th century of desperately trying to reduce foreign interference, primarily Russians trying to secure oil assets in the north and the British trying to secure oil assets in the south.
In short, every colonist has been focused upon commercial gain in the Middle East.

Why aren’t the Americans interested in Korea or Vietnam anymore? No oil. No assets. No commercial benefit. The soviets were heavily involved with communist Vietnam and Korea, hence America continuing the Cold War against them.
 

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In short, every colonist has been focused upon commercial gain in the Middle East.

Why aren’t the Americans interested in Korea or Vietnam anymore? No oil. No assets. No commercial benefit. The soviets were heavily involved with communist Vietnam and Korea, hence America continuing the Cold War against them.

I think you'll find that the Americans are still extremely interested in Vietnam and South Korea.
South Korea goes without saying considering the 38th Parallel.
Vietnam is hugely strategic for the South China Sea and American warships have begun visiting Da Nang in recent years.
Not everything is about oil.
 

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I think you'll find that the Americans are still extremely interested in Vietnam and South Korea.
South Korea goes without saying considering the 38th Parallel.
Vietnam is hugely strategic for the South China Sea and American warships have begun visiting Da Nang in recent years.
Not everything is about oil.
Well in the case of inflaming a terrorist nest it is. America can lay the blame squarely on themselves for 9/11.
 

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So did Mohammad Atta
That’s not the point, the point is he was intelligent and would’ve been a pretty important ally had we kept to our patch. Because he sure as hell was going to. His mantra of no western influence would’ve served the republicans well, they could’ve reciprocated and kept the rednecks at bay.
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/educati...hool-stops-lgbt-lessons-after-parent-protests

However, the chief inspector of Ofsted, Amanda Spielman, supported the school, saying it was vital children knew about “families that have two mummies or two daddies”.​

“Vital”

Tbh, good on the parents on taking a stand against progressive nonsense.
Yes, it’s vital to know about real people you will meet in your lifetime and not act like a shitbird towards them.
 

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Yes, it’s vital to know about real people you will meet in your lifetime and not act like a shitbird towards them.
Education in western countries is increasingly dedicated to these so called vital skills, yet somehow education in said countries keeps underperforming.

What are schools for? To teach kids knowledge and skills or to act as a progressive parent?

Good on the actual real parents of these kids to reject this state enforced indoctrination.
 
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Education in western countries is increasingly dedicated to these so called vital skills, yet somehow education in said countries keeps underperforming.

What are schools for? To teach kids knowledge and skills or to act as a progressive parent?

Good on the actual real parents of these kids to reject this state enforced indoctrination.
Schools have never been solely about reading and arithmetic. It’s very much been about socialising, working with your peers, problem solving; it’s about preparing them for being an adult. When they get a job, they might have to work with (gasp) a homosexual. Kids in the past were taught to pretend they didn’t exist because society treated them that way. Not any more. Deal with it. The kids are, much better than some immature adults.
 

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Schools have never been solely about reading and arithmetic. It’s very much been about socialising, working with your peers, problem solving; it’s about preparing them for being an adult. When they get a job, they might have to work with (gasp) a homosexual. Kids in the past were taught to pretend they didn’t exist because society treated them that way. Not any more. Deal with it. The kids are, much better than some immature adults.
No, at school you learn much more than arithmetic, but sadly considering places likes Australia and the UK do so poorly at arithmetic in primary schools, maybe there should be a refocus on what matters.
 
No, at school you learn much more than arithmetic, but sadly considering places likes Australia and the UK do so poorly at arithmetic in primary schools, maybe there should be a refocus on what matters.

Its OK you can do anything you like, and when you fail ( after getting good reviews by the teachers prior to the exams ) you can always go to TAFE.
 

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Its OK you can do anything you like, and when you fail ( after getting good reviews by the teachers prior to the exams ) you can always go to TAFE.
I know kids who finished year 12 with spelling that my grandfather (who left school when he was aged 12) would have been embarrassed by. The state of arithmetic and basic maths for most people is parlous. It's an enormous disadvantage in life to have poor literacy and numeracy, and yet as a society we have let this fall by the wayside in the interests of nebulous education goals. Good on the parents of these children calling a stop to useless bullshit - sadly it is only those of Islamic faith who are permitted to get away with it.
 

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I know kids who finished year 12 with spelling that my grandfather (who left school when he was aged 12) would have been embarrassed by. The state of arithmetic and basic maths for most people is parlous. It's an enormous disadvantage in life to have poor literacy and numeracy, and yet as a society we have let this fall by the wayside in the interests of nebulous education goals. Good on the parents of these children calling a stop to useless bullshit - sadly it is only those of Islamic faith who are permitted to get away with it.

My daughter finished and passed Yr 12 last year with enough to graduate into Psychology at a very good Uni, with spelling and numeracy that shocked me.
It's a bloody joke.
 
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