Why is abortion a live issue in Australian politics again?

[ElectricG]

medical admin??? in which case this poster is walking a very dangerous line that would result in professional dismissal if uncovered ..... possibly more if the patient(s) were to pursue it further

to even intimate knowledge of highly confidential patient information of this type is outrageous in the extreme - all to score some pathetic debating point on a sports website of all places .... unbelievable

What that poster said about his work:

I work in an area where I see medical doctor's refer people in distressing social and mental health situations to other health professionals such as Social Workers whom have better skill for assessing their needs and are better connected and have better knowledge of support services that can alleviate the pressure's on people's lives.

Yeah I don’t think he’s getting sacked over that. Dream on ya friggen weirdo.

 

[samFFC]

Oh ok not allowed to speak about personal experience on this forum to elicidate a point. The other poster was asking for specific details. Completely unnecessarily.

Asking for details, or “playing the man”?

 

[samFFC]

I’m not saying they’re not. This thread is just me saying that it’s a good thing that that happens and a few people having a conniption over it.

Nah.

 

[samFFC]

Bloody good work all round.

Bill expanding access to abortion passes after 'bullying' claims

MPs were given a conscience vote on the bill brought by Greens MP Amanda Cohn, which will allow nurse-practitioners and endorsed midwives to prescribe abortion medication for early stage pregnancies.

www.abc.net.au

Good on Dr Cohn for introducing it

Good on Labor for backing it as a private members bill.

Good on Speakman for backing it and standing up to the vitriolic threats.

 

[Gralin]

Bloody good work all round.

Bill expanding access to abortion passes after 'bullying' claims

MPs were given a conscience vote on the bill brought by Greens MP Amanda Cohn, which will allow nurse-practitioners and endorsed midwives to prescribe abortion medication for early stage pregnancies.

www.abc.net.au

Good on Dr Cohn for introducing it

Good on Labor for backing it as a private members bill.

Good on Speakman for backing it and standing up to the vitriolic threats.

It's good that it passed but Labor and the libs both fought it and Labor refused to do anything themselves before this bill was raised.

The good news is that blocking it was seen as bad for enough politicians

 

[GreyWind]

Bloody good work all round.

Bill expanding access to abortion passes after 'bullying' claims

MPs were given a conscience vote on the bill brought by Greens MP Amanda Cohn, which will allow nurse-practitioners and endorsed midwives to prescribe abortion medication for early stage pregnancies.

www.abc.net.au

Good on Dr Cohn for introducing it

Good on Labor for backing it as a private members bill.

Good on Speakman for backing it and standing up to the vitriolic threats.

Hardly shocked to see Howe with her grubby tactics at play again.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I think we overstate our abortion access here.

Maybe a Perth experience but the last time I chipped in for an abortion it was $800, it's mostly a private operation and the public system doesn't really deal with it except for medically required ones. This was a surgical one, not a pill one tbf

Also the phone lines that deal with questioning mothers are often backed by religious organisations that will encourage the pregnancy, it's straight natalist propaganda without any help on the real end of dealing with a kid

Maybe this is a WA issue? There is fairly open access via most public hospitals (just not the religious ones) in Melbourne

 

[Crankyhawk]

Well under what circumstances do you think abortion should be disallowed?

If the mother refuses to have one is a starting point

 

[Crankyhawk]

Your disinterest in the situation aside, the existing laws have been erased and you’re there with a pen. What do you do?

Again I’m not asking you whether you’re interested. I’m asking what you think the rules should be.

Or is this just your roundabout way of saying you support abortions up to birth with zero restrictions?

Reinstate existing laws. I have no interest in changing them

 

[Gralin]

Maybe this is a WA issue? There is fairly open access via most public hospitals (just not the religious ones) in Melbourne

same as every state access in the Capital is much better than regional access

 

[Gralin]

obviously access to all healthcare in regional areas is not as good so there is overlap

 

[Crankyhawk]

How about answer other people’s questions rather than just asking more of your own.

You’ve not provided evidence of your assertion.
You’re just parroting anti-abortion, pro-forced birth lines, and don’t give a flying **** about women, families, children.

If you restrict abortion, it does NOT reduce abortion.
It means women die.
It means doctors gets prosecuted.
It means families get torn apart by grief.
It means women who may want future children have pregnancy complications , lose their pregnancy or newborn, and then have fertility issues down the line.

The onus is on you to provide reasons to restrict health care and human rights, not the other way round.

I’ll bet you disagree with lots of choices others make, but I’ll bet you pretend to cheer for people to be free to make those decisions / practice free speech.

The counter question is whether ElectricG supports the measures in some states of the USA that make doctors question the legality of intervention on an ectopic pregnancy (clear threat to mother and never viable) because there is a heartbeat

Edit corrected to fix a very significant typo

 

[ElectricG]

The counter question is where ElectricG supports the measures in some states of the USA that make doctors question the legality of intervention on an ectopic pregnancy (clear threat to mother and never viable) because there is a heartbeat

Where did I say that? This is going back a while.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Where did I say that? This is going back a while.

Sorry looking back at post it is supposed to say “whether” not where (blame the typing on shitty iPhone 8s) ie whether you are happy with abortion restrictions that now paralyse doctors in the usa

Edit - wikipedia examples (which was, case anecdotes only) - these are more sepsis based (but the issue being the presence of a heart beat) or the last one with the impact of new abortion laws leading to some hospitals deciding to exit O&G

Impacts of restrictive abortion laws in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ElectricG]

Sorry looking back at post it is supposed to say “whether” not where (blame the typing on shitty iPhone 8s) ie whether you are happy with abortion restrictions that now paralyse doctors in the usa

Edit - wikipedia examples (which was, case anecdotes only) - these are more sepsis based (but the issue being the presence of a heart beat) or the last one with the impact of new abortion laws leading to some hospitals deciding to exit O&G

Impacts of restrictive abortion laws in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh right. Nah that seems cooked.

 

[Caesar]

In both South Australia and Queensland we have seen renewed attacks on women's right to choose their own healthcare and Federally human cabbage patch doll Ralph Babet and Matt Canavan have been stirring the pot as well. What had seemed like fairly settled law here has once again become a target. Is abortion really an issue that Australians see as important moving forward, is this just right wing culture warriors here aping their American colleagues or is it a band aid to cover a lack of any real policy direction at all from the Liberal Party?

I think we overstate our abortion access here.

Maybe a Perth experience but the last time I chipped in for an abortion it was $800, it's mostly a private operation and the public system doesn't really deal with it except for medically required ones. This was a surgical one, not a pill one tbf

Also the phone lines that deal with questioning mothers are often backed by religious organisations that will encourage the pregnancy, it's straight natalist propaganda without any help on the real end of dealing with a kid

Yes, the real problem is that we do not really have a ton of legal protection around abortion - Australian governments have traditionally not wanted to touch it and taken a very hands-off approach, leaving it up to individual medical professionals

This was fine when there were plenty of doctors around who were happy to perform terminations, as the government was just not getting in their way. Unfortunately a lot of our medical workforce capacity now depends on overseas doctors (especially in rural areas).

A huge percentage of overseas doctors come from much more conservative/religious cultures than mainstream Australia and have very different attitudes to family planning. The same “hands off” approach from government that enabled abortion access in previous decades is now working in the opposite direction, allowing these doctors to refuse to provide those services. This is especially a problem in rural areas where there may only be one or two doctors within hundreds of kilometres.

Both sides of politics are realising that government is going to have to take a more active role to regulate, and this has turned it into a political battleground.