Religion Why is Antisemitism such a big deal but hate against other religions not so much?

[Crankyhawk]

My special people status doesn't allow me access to the Hamas thread but here is a screenshot of something I explained a little while ago there.

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Not asking for any special treatment or validation but please don't spread hateful rhetoric about things you clearly have no idea about.

The hate goes towards anyone who choose to use anything like “gods children” to justify their exceptionalism of behaviour. I have no problem with you if you don’t do that.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I’m just contesting the claim that people only care about antisemitism

I would argue the political right never cared about Islamophobia but often use claims of antisemitism as a cudgel to beat those they disagree with. It has in essence become their version of what they see as progressives using claims of other types of bigotry as a weapon. The right also sometimes virtue signal about how anti-antisemitic they are.

 

[ZEV]

The hate goes towards anyone who choose to use anything like “gods children” to justify their exceptionalism of behaviour. I have no problem with you if you don’t do that.

You are literally supporting a hurtful and untrue anti-semitic trope.

I have a problem with you for your mischaracterisation of me. Do you have any excuses for your prejudices?

Ignorance perhaps? I do remember the time when you thought an Arab man, wearing a kufi whilst bearing a 1453 tattoo was a Jewish person and the Jews singing "Am Israel Chai" were pro-Palestinian protestors.... But continue to share with us all your deep knowledge and understanding of the topic.

 

[Episode IV]

I would argue the political right never cared about Islamophobia but often use claims of antisemitism as a cudgel to beat those they disagree with. It has in essence become their version of what they see as progressives using claims of other types of bigotry as a weapon. The right also sometimes virtue signal about how anti-antisemitic they are.

Virtue signaling implies a lack of thought and individuality.
The term itself only applies to an expression of social conscience, where that aligns with the general populace. It's about inclusiveness, not thought.
Similar to the way in which "Islamophobia" is a term applied when one wants to imply a "fear" to something. Other than in noting that the word "fear" is more than a little inappropriate, I'd add a further note that there are times when that "fear" is justified.

It's very easy to accuse those who disagree with you as virtue signaling, but there are times those you're accusing of virtue signaling are simply not on board with your ideology. Being "phobic" of something or other is probably the last thing one would want to do, really, because in any social gathering the last thing one would want to be seen as is the outsider. Which is the one thing virtue signaling is applicable to, at the end of the day.

In terms of your rather obvious sympathies:
Sometimes, one must simply stop and consider that the alterative to them is... you.

"We" may not want them.
But "We" don't want you either.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You are literally supporting a hurtful and untrue anti-semitic trope.

I have a problem with you for your mischaracterisation of me. Do you have any excuses for your prejudices?

Ignorance perhaps? I do remember the time when you thought an Arab man, wearing a kufi whilst bearing a 1453 tattoo was a Jewish person and the Jews singing "Am Israel Chai" were pro-Palestinian protestors.... But continue to share with us all your deep knowledge and understanding of the topic.

Applies to all religions who have that type of “chosen people” so I don’t see it as antisemitic in particular. But if your people and beliefs get shitty because I believe what I believe then that justifies it to me. That you need to believe you are special and chosen and I do not and will never want to accept that your religion makes you special.

This view also applies to Islam, to Catholic Church etc. any religion that believes their specialness excuses inappropriate behaviour toward non believers. **** you all

Edit and do you have a quote for that second part about the man with a tattoo? I don’t recall - but am questioning just because if this is not something I said then you are fabricating unrelated shit to discredit me.

 

[ZEV]

Applies to all religions who have that type of “chosen people” so I don’t see it as antisemitic in particular. But if your people and beliefs get shitty because I believe what I believe then that justifies it to me. That you need to believe you are special and chosen and I do not and will never want to accept that your religion makes you special.

This view also applies to Islam, to Catholic Church etc. any religion that believes their specialness excuses inappropriate behaviour toward non believers. **** you all

Edit and do you have a quote for that second part about the man with a tattoo? I don’t recall - but am questioning just because if this is not something I said then you are fabricating unrelated shit to discredit me.

I am shitty because you are an ignorant racist and continually attempt to justify it.

Heres the evidence of your ignorance and short mindedness that you can't recall.... Also nice accusation but noone needs to fabricate anything you provide more than enough hateful rhetoric on your own.

 

[Gough]

Strange thing religions. You wouldn't indulge a teenager who still believes in Santa but grown adults with imaginary friends who bring them nice things if they're good are constantly demanding and receiving special treatment, and then they spend their time fighting over whose imaginary friend is better. It's a sickness.

 

[ZEV]

Strange thing religions. You wouldn't indulge a teenager who still believes in Santa but grown adults with imaginary friends who bring them nice things if they're good are constantly demanding and receiving special treatment, and then they spend their time fighting over whose imaginary friend is better. It's a sickness.

Yet most of the world still celebrates Christmas without believing in Santa...

Almost as if customs and traditions form part of a cultural identity based on religion... something that should be valued and preserved.

 

[Gough]

Yet most of the world still celebrates Christmas without believing in Santa...

Almost as if customs and traditions form part of a cultural identity based on religion... something that should be valued and preserved.

What's the difference between santa and some god? They're both just lazy threats to behave yourself

 

[Crankyhawk]

I am shitty because you are an ignorant racist and continually attempt to justify it.

Heres the evidence of your ignorance and short mindedness that you can't recall.... Also nice accusation but noone needs to fabricate anything you provide more than enough hateful rhetoric on your own.

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All that post shows is I am able to identify when I am wrong on a matter of fact.
Unlike yourself who is a an Israeli bias shill. I have no interest in facilitating your so called religious exceptionalism. Call this hate, report me see if I give a damn.

 

[Gough]

Be good or yahweh won't come down the chimney and leave a dollar under your pillow for eid.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Also loving the projection where all diagreement and disrespect = hate

I have no respect for religion

In ZEV s extremist views that makes me a hater

Its crazy religious people that choose to bomb shit out of each other for special religious reasons (in addition to the usual "reasons" to kil;"

Edit: For clarity, religious differences should have no more impact on the world than a football banter thread (eg which team will be better in 2025 type thing)

 

[schneebly111]

Yet most of the world still celebrates Christmas without believing in Santa...

Almost as if customs and traditions form part of a cultural identity based on religion... something that should be valued and preserved.

The celebration of what we now call “Christmas” basically evolved from pagan celebrations of winter solstice and Roman Saturnalia. All the gift giving, trees, celebrations, parties, end of year piss ups, gatherings with dodgy relatives etc was established well before Christians started celebrating Christmas on Dec 25.

Especially now it has become a secular holiday. There doesn’t even seem to be many of those “I only go to church on Christmas” types anymore. For 98% of the population it’s 100% secular.

 

[ZEV]

I have no respect for religion

In ZEV s extremist views that makes me a hater

Jews are also an ethnic group.

A fact that you conveniently ignore.

Can you please clarify how me calling out your bigotry makes me an extremist?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Jews are also an ethnic group.

A fact that you conveniently ignore.

Can you please clarify how me calling out your bigotry makes me an extremist?

You only get to play ethnic group card if there are Jews who aren’t religious. And you also would need to prove my disrespect for Judaism is exclusive to that religion. I have disrespect for all religions that choose to make their own special and others who do not follow it lesser.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

You only get to play ethnic group card if there are Jews who aren’t religious. And you also would need to prove my disrespect for Judaism is exclusive to that religion. I have disrespect for all religions that choose to make their own special and others who do not follow it lesser.

That is every religion, cult, and a large proportion of clubs, governments and many more.

 

[Crankyhawk]

That is every religion, cult, and a large proportion of clubs, governments and many more.

Sure so tell me why I need to respect them then? Just because shit****ery is common doesn’t mean I have to respect it though sure I am more likely to be quiet when the other is in power. But that is just fear not respect

 

[evolved2]

What's the difference between santa and some god? They're both just lazy threats to behave yourself

Is there a cultural value attached to either?

 

[evolved2]

Sure so tell me why I need to respect them then? Just because shit****ery is common doesn’t mean I have to respect it though sure I am more likely to be quiet when the other is in power. But that is just fear not respect

Cultural sensitivity.

That's not my answer, but that is THE answer.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Cultural sensitivity.

That's not my answer, but that is THE answer.

Cultural sensitivity is not actively graffitiing their property.
My disrespect is just refusing to accept their belief that they are gods chosen. That isn’t a failure of sensitivity. It’s a deliberate devaluation of religion to be no more important than any other opinion held eg whether Essendon or Carlton are a better footy team

 

[evolved2]

Cultural sensitivity is not actively graffitiing their property.
My disrespect is just refusing to accept their belief that they are gods chosen. That isn’t a failure of sensitivity. It’s a deliberate devaluation of religion to be no more important than any other opinion held eg whether Essendon or Carlton are a better footy team

You don't have to agree with their belief that Santa Claus is real, but you have to respect their right to believe that Santa Claus brings them presents on his sleigh every year.

Welcome to Victoria, the woke state.

 

[Malifice]

Can you please clarify how me calling out your bigotry makes me an extremist?

His post wasnt bigoted, to the extent that he admitted he was wrong (so the opposite of bigoted).

 

[ZEV]

His post wasnt bigoted, to the extent that he admitted he was wrong (so the opposite of bigoted).

He is a bigot due to his ongoing and continued use of incorrect and offensive anti-semitic tropes saying Jews are 'chosen people'.

You only get to play ethnic group card if there are Jews who aren’t religious.

Yes... ancestry and DNA are determined by levels of religious observance...


To be clear, that quote I provided earlier about the Syrian man was just evidence of Crankyhawk 's stupidity and ignorance on the subject matter.

 

[Crankyhawk]

He is a bigot due to his ongoing and continued use of incorrect and offensive anti-semitic tropes saying Jews are 'chosen people'.



Yes... ancestry and DNA are determined by levels of religious observance...


To be clear, that quote I provided earlier about the Syrian man was just evidence of Crankyhawk 's stupidity and ignorance on the subject matter.

You are just upset that I refuse to treat you as special, it’s triggering some sort of entitlement lash out response.
Diddums.

 

[Malifice]

He is a bigot due to his ongoing and continued use of incorrect and offensive anti-semitic tropes saying Jews are 'chosen people'.

That's not antisemitic. It's a statement of fact, and its explicit in the Torah and is generally believed by Jewish people as a core principle of the religion:

In Judaism, the concept of Jews as the chosen people (Hebrew: הָעָם הַנִבְחַר hāʿām hanīvḥar) is the belief that the Jewish people, via the Mosaic and Abrahamic covenants, are selected to be in a covenant with God. Israelites being properly the chosen people of God is found directly in the Book of Deuteronomy 7:6[1] as the verb baḥar (בָּחַר), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people" as goy or gentile, Book of Exodus 19:6.[2] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_...ism, the concept of,ushering in a new society.

Trust me, I'll ban antisemites on sight, but that isnt antisemitic.