Why is Brisbane complaining?

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Jan 27, 2001
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Des Headland never wanted to go to Brisbane. He made it pretty clear before he was drafted that he wanted to stay in Perth. Now that he has quit the lions, they say they wont trade him back to WA. Well done Brisbane, hope your proud of yourselves. All teams lose players, its the risk you take when you draft them from interstate. West Coast lost Gehrig a few years ago, and may lose Judd next year.

It works both ways Brisbane. Some time in the future West Coast may draft a Brisbane player that wants to go back home. If Brisbane plays games, you can guarantee they wont be given any favours.
 
You obviously don't understand the issues involved.

The Lions have more players on their list who come from other states than most other clubs. If we simply roll over and give these players everything they want, and them let them leave and go wherever they want, then every other player in a similar position will follow. How can we be expected to build a side in such circumstances?

Allowing Headland to get everything he wants will set a precedent by which other star players are sure to follow in the future. If the club allows this to happen, the task of creating long-term stability will be made much harder - as will the task of retaining stars from other states.

If we'd merely rolled over previously, we could have lost the likes of J.Leppitsch, C.Scott, B.Scott, C.Johnson, L.Power and a number of others who were all sought after by various clubs in their home state.

If you ask me anything, it is Headland who is having a whinge. FFS, most people (aspiring footballers, at least) would give an arm and a leg to play with a side like the Lions even if it did mean living in a different state for a decade or so . . .

Likewise, I don't particularly buy into this 'wanting to go home' argument entirely either. If he goes back to WA, there is also the possibility of him having a greater potential income, and stature at either of the clubs there, in comparison to the Lions. IMO, this would also be a factor in his decision.

Similarly, all these WA fans who are chomping at the bit to poach players from another team are disgusting. Raise your own talent from scratch, FFS - it's not as if you don't have a state full of it.
 

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You make it sound like it the Brisbane Lions owe the Eagles for 'poaching' one of your Western Australian darlings (albeit only recent). Just because he wants to return to Perth doesn't mean a deal would/could be struck. I don't think the West Coast Eagles have any players the Lions would want (apart from their top liners) and i can't see the Lions being so stupid. I wouldn't be suprised if Brisbane call Headland's bluff and he is thrown into the draft ... to be picked up by Carlton.

One decent season doesn't give him the right to pick and chose. Beggers can't be choosers.
 
Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
It works both ways Brisbane. Some time in the future West Coast may draft a Brisbane player that wants to go back home.

Hardly a fair comparison, considering that the amount of 'star' footballers to come out of QLD is far less than that of states such as Victoria, WA, and SA.

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
If Brisbane plays games, you can guarantee they wont be given any favours.

WTF are you on about?
 
Originally posted by Stocka



Similarly, all these WA fans who are chomping at the bit to poach players from another team are disgusting. Raise your own talent from scratch, FFS - it's not as if you don't have a state full of it.

LOL, you think Brisbane made Headland the player he is today? You raised him from scratch did you? I think Subiaco had a lot more to do with his development than Brisbane did. Thats like saying West Coast made Chris Judd the player he is today.

Headland wants to go home, Brisbane should just let him. How many players as Brisbane actually lost? Buckley, O'Bree (who couldn't break in the top 22) and some other no names.

I guess it's different when you get Mal Michel back isn't it, hypocrite :rolleyes: Of course Collingwood wanted to let him go right. You make a trade that is suitable to both clubs and move on. The WA clubs are prepared to fairly compensate Brisbane.
 
Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast


LOL, you think Brisbane made Headland the player he is today?

You raised him from scratch did you?

Yes, in AFL terms. Who, or where he played before he was in the AFL has very little relevance. I mean, Subiaco aren't the WCE at any rate . . . pfft!

We drafted him, and developed him from a promising junior into a top performing AFL player. He has been at our club for 4 seasons, and if you think that it's had little effect on him, then you're stroking yourself.

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
I think Subiaco had a lot more to do with his development than Brisbane did.

He hasn't even been at Subiaco for four years. You seem to think that AFL clubs have no part in developing players on their list . . . lol

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Thats like saying West Coast made Chris Judd the player he is today.

How long has Judd been with WCE? Headland has been with the Lions for 4 years and has developed his talent significantly at the club over that time. Entirely different scenario.

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Headland wants to go home, Brisbane should just let him.

No they shouldn't.

Brisbane want to keep Headland, and have said they won't trade him to where he wants to go. Headland should stay or go into the draft.

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
How many players as Brisbane actually lost? Buckley, O'Bree (who couldn't break in the top 22) and some other no names.

That's hardly relevant at all to the issue here. How is it relevant?

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
I guess it's different when you get Mal Michel back isn't it, hypocrite :rolleyes: Of course Collingwood wanted to let him go right.

No need to get your ****y pink panties in a bunch.

That's right, the Lions traded a good player for M.Michael, a trade which was initiated by Collingwood, who believed that they had "no need" for M.Michael (as they had a number of other players that they preferred for similar roles), and were keen on taking Molloy who could offer them something that they didn't have at the time.

Hardly a comparable scenario to the current one with Headland.

And at any rate, you totally miss the point. It's hardly a fair comparison, considering that the amount of 'star' footballers to come out of QLD is far less than that of states such as Victoria, WA, and SA.

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
You make a trade that is suitable to both clubs and move on. The WA clubs are prepared to fairly compensate Brisbane.

Too bad. It's not worth it for us for the various reasons mentioned earlier. We can still lose Headland for nix and win another flag or two in the next few years, as well as make a stand which will benefit the club by not looking 'easy' to players in similar circumstances.
 
Brisbane are about to find out thats its one thing winning flags but another keeping your team intact to become successful over a long periog of time.Essendon had to put up with it so stop your stupid bleating, you alreadly have enough concessions without undermining the integrity of whole competition.Would Brisbane be jumping up an down if Rewouilt ever want to return HOME???No of course they wouldnt they would nab him as quick as a flash.So dont blame Headland for going home he has fufilled his contract and like any Australian has the right to choose his workplace.
 
Originally posted by jerry springer
so stop your stupid bleating, you alreadly have enough concessions without undermining the integrity of whole competition.

So you suggest that we shouldn't be chagrined about losing a top player? WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by jerry springer
Would Brisbane be jumping up an down if Rewouilt ever want to return HOME???No of course they wouldnt they would nab him as quick as a flash.

Yeah, one player. Whereas, the inverse could occur to the Lions with quite a number of future star players if a precent is set.

Take a look at the Lions list and you'll see that the proportion is more likely to occur in the inverse, due to the fact that most of our players come from other states. Would have thought it was pretty simple to work out, actually.

Originally posted by jerry springer
So dont blame Headland for going home he has fufilled his contract and like any Australian has the right to choose his workplace.

And you think that the AFL is comparable to the realities of the rest of Australia? Pfft! lol!
 
The thing you people fail to realise is that the players have absolutely no say in which team they play for. Brisbane are well within their rights to declare Headland as a required player by not trading him.
 
Top post I_luv_WestCoast.

Des told Brisbane before they drafted him that he didn't want to play for them. Who saw the doco the drfat? he wore a freo shirt to the brisbane interview.

Brisbane drafted him against his wishes anyway.
Everyyear he has asked to be traded and Brisbane has refused.
For the first year ever Des actually has a little say in wear he plays his football as he is now out of contract.

Brisbane brought this on themselves. Des has only ever been honest. And now all the QLDs are crying blue murder saying that they would rather destroy his personal interests than trade him if they cannot keep him.

To quote I_luv_WestCoast, Well done Brisbane, hope you are proud of yourselves.
 
Originally posted by kimberleykid
Top post I_luv_WestCoast.

Des told Brisbane before they drafted him that he didn't want to play for them. Who saw the doco the drfat? he wore a freo shirt to the brisbane interview.

Brisbane drafted him against his wishes anyway.
Everyyear he has asked to be traded and Brisbane has refused.
For the first year ever Des actually has a little say in wear he plays his football as he is now out of contract.

Brisbane brought this on themselves. Des has only ever been honest. And now all the QLDs are crying blue murder saying that they would rather destroy his personal interests than trade him if they cannot keep him.

To quote I_luv_WestCoast, Well done Brisbane, hope you are proud of yourselves.

I repeat it is not Headlands choice, players do not choose which team they want to play for.
 

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Originally posted by Zombie
I repeat it is not Headlands choice, players do not choose which team they want to play for.

If a player enters himself on the draft, (eg Headland) and he ends up being the #1 draft pick, can he pull himself out of the draft if he doesn't like where he is going?

If he can't, it is because he has signed a Contract and had been made aware of the conditions of the Contract?

If you were a Team that came last the year before and had the potential to get the best draft pick available, is it good business to pass that talent up just because someone asks you to?

Let us not forget, AFL and the footy business, is big business.

Imaginary scenario: Brisbane didn't pick Des up and handed him over to Fremantle because Des wanted it that way and he goes onto being the greatest player ever, do you think Brisbane would ever live that down?.....the Media would ridicule Brisbane every chance they got.

Sometimes, players end up being happy at the Club after being drafted, example Simon Black, do you give up the chance that he might like to stay and end up staying?

In this instance, Des does not want to stay.....but at least Brisbane had a go.
 
Comon Brisbane supporters what do you expect you already have Beau and Black.
I mean its not like West Ausie clubs didnt have ample chances to draft them:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

How do Brisbane deserve this.
Headland nominates for a national draft where he knows he could be going anywhere.
We play in a national competition and so drafties need to understand that they could be going anywhere.
Its ruining our game that clubs are being forced to pay ridiculous sums of money to save off home sickness.

For what it is worth I would like Headland at the dockers but i would be just as happy that he ends up at Carlton after the lions refuse to trade him.
It would send a message to other potential "children" wanting to go home to there mummys.
 
Originally posted by kimberleykid
So you like Fascism when it works for you.

I believe players do have a say. Not a total say but an influencing say.

No they don't, players have no say in which team they play for.
 
Here's an idea

Hey why don' the AFL give Brisbane some extra money so they can retain players! Whoops already done that!

Just proves the point that money is not the key factor, if a player wants out they will leave pure and simple. You all crap on about no choice, true but one day a player will challenge the rules and it will be restraint of trade. There is no other job in Australia where you are told where to live. Even the Army gives you some say in the matter.

Play hard ball and one day it will come back and bite you. As for this poor brisbane crap, get off the grass. Ackerhead, Voss, Charman and a few other are all born and raised there. But whoops we have to give you three flags to help the development of the game. Have a look at Freo they are hardly travelling well financially, don't they deserve a chance to?
 
If players have no say in where they are going to get traded to how come so many get to go their club of choice? By pure chance, I don't think so.
Wayne Carey went to interviews with a whole stack of clubs. Why would he personally do this if he wields no influence as to where he plays?
Riddle me that
 
Originally posted by kimberleykid
If players have no say in where they are going to get traded to how come so many get to go their club of choice? By pure chance, I don't think so.
Wayne Carey went to interviews with a whole stack of clubs. Why would he personally do this if he wields no influence as to where he plays?
Riddle me that

Wayne carey doesn't have any choice, North Melbourne will decide where he goes.
 
Re: Here's an idea

Originally posted by morgoth

Play hard ball and one day it will come back and bite you. As for this poor brisbane crap, get off the grass. Ackerhead, Voss, Charman and a few other are all born and raised there. But whoops we have to give you three flags to help the development of the game. Have a look at Freo they are hardly travelling well financially, don't they deserve a chance to?

2 of the 3 you mentioned were actually born and played their first games of footy nearly 2000Km from Brisbane, and that is only the beginnings of where your post is error riddled.

Play hard ball? Hell this isn't hard ball. This is just fact.

Lions are under no obligations what so ever to arrange a trade for Headland. They are under no obligations to accept a suggested trade for Headland.

Headland is under no obligation to stay at the Lions. But, as they have said they would like him to stay and are not entertaining any trade options, it is purely up to him what he now does.

He stays, or he goes. Totally up to him. He knows and understands the consequences of his options. All that is left is for him to announce which one he is taking.

He's a big boy now. Premiership player, father of 1 child and another due next week. He is fairly financially secure (alot more than most ppl his age) and is a talented footballer who in my opinion has not reached his full potential yet and probably won't for another couple of years.

He'll make his choice and he'll live his life with that choice. The consequences aren't the Lions responsability. They are just part and parcel of the options.
 
Des never wanted to leave Perth and has tried to come home every year, you can't blame him for finally deciding to come home now that his contract is up.

I think Brisbane will end up trading Headland to Freo/WCE given that Freo/WCE offer enough to Brisbane as compensation.
 

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