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I'm 36, I have an opinion and I probably know more about cricket then 99% of this board. Some of my friends call me "stats" because of the knowledge I have on cricket.:)
Fair enough "stats"... We will see... I will stick my neck out and say Warner will more than make it, with an average of over 45.... I can see him hitting big, big scores... He is more talented than any of our current batters other than a young Ricky... I look forward to seeing him bat on a dead, unbowler friendly pitch.... Think an Aussie Sehwag...

Now come on 'stats'.... Give me your prediction of Warners career....

One of us will take pleasure in bumping this thread:thumbsu:
 
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^ ROFL. The reason they call me that is because I can tell them any players stats within a very close margin. ie centuries I would get spot on but might be a few hundred out in terms of runs or a handful in terms of wicket. It's not that I have one of those brains that remembers everything. I don't, I just look up cricket stats a lot. Certainly international, no so domestic.


Fair enough "stats"... We will see... I will stick my neck out and say Warner will more than make it, with an average of over 45.... I can see him hitting big, big scores... He is more talented than any of our current batters other than a young Ricky... I look forward to seeing him bat on a dead, unbowler friendly pitch.... Think an Aussie Sehwag...

Now come on 'stats'.... Give me your prediction of Warners career....

One of us will take pleasure in bumping this thread:thumbsu:
The current state of test cricket in Australia seems to be falling further every day. Now we hear Paine is out for longer. Marsh is doubtful going forward with question marks over his longevity. Ponting and Hussey seem to be falling by the minute. How things can change even in a week.

Therefore predictions are bold indeed. However the future looks bright for D Warner in the baggy green. Probably play 70 test and average low 40's at a strike rate of 90. There I said it now go away.
 

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I'm 36, I have an opinion and I probably know more about cricket then 99% of this board. Some of my friends call me "stats" because of the knowledge I have on cricket.:)

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You got this one wrong already.

Those who have to talk themselves up are those who often don't know much. We'd notice if you did. So far haven't noticed, especially if this discussion is an example. When posting quality, indicating knowledge, is low then the only other way is to tell everyone how clever you are.

As far as having an opinion goes, the beauty of that is you don't have to know anything to have one.
 

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Warner is a different kettle of fish. He WAS lucky in Hobart. He may continue to be lucky. All I'm saying is that he was picked for alterior motives. Who instead? Who indead. A couple of them are injured and certainly enough people on this board have suggested enough other replacements (ie Cowan being mentioned over and over and over again with due reason).

If people need me again (sigh) to name ANY. Then you haven't been paying attention.:thumbsu:
Was it a mistake to pick Warner in Hobart?

It's a simple question. Why won't you answer it?

Should Cowan replace Warner for Melbourne?
 

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I'm 36, I have an opinion and I probably know more about cricket then 99% of this board. Some of my friends call me "stats" because of the knowledge I have on cricket.:)
Wow – that's impressive.

Yet you objected to Warner's selection on the grounds that he hadn't played enough FC cricket and then nominated Tom Cooper as an alternative, even though Cooper has scored less runs at state level. What happened, Stats? Off day for you?

Once again, that is really impressive that you know so many stats that your friends have nicknamed you Stats. Do the media ever call up to ask for your opinion?

Is this you? http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ention-to-troubled-hughes-20111208-1olaj.html
 

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Yet you objected to Warner's selection on the grounds that he hadn't played enough FC cricket and then nominated Tom Cooper as an alternative, even though Cooper has scored less runs at state level. What happened, Stats? Off day for you?
there is nowhere this happened. i refuse to believe this has happened.
 
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You got this one wrong already.

Those who have to talk themselves up are those who often don't know much. We'd notice if you did. So far haven't noticed, especially if this discussion is an example. When posting quality, indicating knowledge, is low then the only other way is to tell everyone how clever you are.

As far as having an opinion goes, the beauty of that is you don't have to know anything to have one.
Someone has a go at me and what do you expect me to do, turn over and take it. I don't talk myself up that often and it's not hard in this forum. Self appraisal always go punished on the internet. Some of the blinkers you guys have on is astonishing. I never said I was clever either or that my opinion is right and yours is wrong.

All I stated is that I know stats and I know cricket, I even stated that it wasn't from being some brain. It's from reading about cricket a lot. And it's fair to say that not many people on this board would know more about the history (and statistics) of the sport. You may.

On a side note it's mildly amusing that those considered "anti Warner" are less defensive about their stance on this board then those that are "pro Warner". Who are you all trying to convince? Us or yourselves?
 
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http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22950281&postcount=47

Third quote down.

Stats then dashed back and edited his original comment to remove all reference to Cooper, presumably after checking the stats.
Er so what. i actually edited it before you replied because I named so many names (all of which you magically ignored) that I thought it best to narrow them down. Having said that I'll take Cooper, I think he's going to be a gun.:thumbsu:

His stats aren't that bad. Has more FC experience then Warner. :)
 

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Someone has a go at me and what do you expect me to do, turn over and take it. I don't talk myself up that often and it's not hard in this forum. Self appraisal always go punished on the internet. Some of the blinkers you guys have on is astonishing. I never said I was clever either or that my opinion is right and yours is wrong.

All I stated is that I know stats and I know cricket, I even stated that it wasn't from being some brain. It's from reading about cricket a lot. And it's fair to say that not many people on this board would know more about the history (and statistics) of the sport. You may.

On a side note it's mildly amusing that those considered "anti Warner" are less defensive about their stance on this board then those that are "pro Warner". Who are you all trying to convince? Us our yourselves?
No, it's more that people have said over the last 12-18 mths things like "Warner is a hack slogger 20/20 player who wont make it at test level", while those in the Warner camp have said "Actually, I reckon this kid has a decent technique to go with the eye he has".

Now we're all just nodding silently while those in the anti-camp say "but it was only NZ, wait til SA, blah blah..."
 
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Was it a mistake to pick Warner in Hobart?

It's a simple question. Why won't you answer it?

Should Cowan replace Warner for Melbourne?
It's my opinion that we are looking at players who are not Test Match cricketers but have appeal to play Test match cricket and I have stated this all along. He may succeed, I hope he does. He certainly doesn't have much competition now that Hughes has lost favor. Ponting and Hussey are on the way out and Marsh looks to be on the side lines for some time.

I just did.

No, but he should be opening with Warner, IMO.
 
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No, it's more that people have said over the last 12-18 mths things like "Warner is a hack slogger 20/20 player who wont make it at test level", while those in the Warner camp have said "Actually, I reckon this kid has a decent technique to go with the eye he has".

Now we're all just nodding silently while those in the anti-camp say "but it was only NZ, wait til SA, blah blah..."
I accept your opinion and your avatar is awesome!!
 

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Er so what. i actually edited it before you replied because I named so many names (all of which you magically ignored) that I thought it best to narrow them down. Having said that I'll take Cooper, I think he's going to be a gun.:thumbsu:

His stats aren't that bad. Has more FC experience then Warner. :)
Let's be clear, Stats. You argued that Warner shouldn't be picked in the Test side, partly because he hadn't done enough at FC level.

When pressed to nominate alternatives, you nominated, among others, Tom Cooper, despite the fact Cooper has scored fewer FC runs than Warner, at a significantly lower average. Tell me Stats, how did you miss that?

Do you accept that this was a shitty, self-defeating argument?

You may as well, Stats, as it is already obvious to everyone else.

It's my opinion that we are looking at players who are not Test Match cricketers but have appeal to play Test match cricket and I have stated this all along. He may succeed, I hope he does. He certainly doesn't have much competition now that Hughes has lost favor. Ponting and Hussey are on the way out and Marsh looks to be on the side lines for some time.
Sorry Stats, but I'm afraid you didn't answer the question.

Was it a mistake to pick Warner for Hobart?

Yes or no.
 
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Let's be clear, Stats. You argued that Warner shouldn't be picked in the Test side, partly because he hadn't done enough at FC level.

When pressed to nominate alternatives, you nominated, among others, Tom Cooper, despite the fact Cooper has scored fewer FC runs than Warner, at a significantly lower average. Tell me Stats, how did you miss that?

Do you accept that this was a shitty, self-defeating argument?

You may as well, Stats, as it is already obvious to everyone else.
Are we going to continue to go over this again and again? Grasping on to the Tom Cooper name isn't helping your plight. Is the fact that Cooper has a better ODI and List A average (by a margin) then Warner inadmissible. Perhaps it's the teams he made those runs against that makes it insignificant. Although Warners recent runs came against some easy opposition too. Around and around we go.

Your daftness and inability to move on because I got your knickers in a knot on a thread you derailed and several PM's (that you also derailed and I stopped answering) is not changing anything. Think you have some crusade here to defend yourself? Knock yourself out champ.

Oh and only friends call me Stats but I'll make an exception.
 
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Sorry Stats, but I'm afraid you didn't answer the question.

Was it a mistake to pick Warner for Hobart?

Yes or no.
The selection policies have been a mistake for some time. We'll need more time to evaluate if Warner's selection is. As I stated if we're picking the team on that match Warner will be all on his own in the first test against India. Maybe he can bat 7 times and then keep wicket and field in the slips.
 

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Are we going to continue to go over this again and again? Grasping on to the Tom Cooper name isn't helping your plight. Is the fact that Cooper has a better ODI and List A average (by a margin) then Warner inadmissible. Perhaps it's the teams he made those runs against that makes it insignificant. Although Warners recent runs came against some easy opposition too. Around and around we go.
Speak for yourself, Stats. I'm not going around and around. I'm standing very, very still. Like a big statue of a man pointing and laughing at you as you do your little tap-dance.

You made a shitty argument, one that is obviously contradictory and self-defeating. No round and round required.

And yes, Cooper's ODI and List A numbers are absolutely irrelevant. I mean, I'm sure that century he made for Holland against Afghanistan was impressive, but I'm just not sure it commends him as a Test batsman. Call me crazy. Good try, though.

And if you want to do a comparison of who Cooper and Warner scored their FC runs against, I'm sure that would be fascinating. After all, we all know how awesome you are with stats.

Your daftness and inability to move on because I got your knickers in a knot on a thread you derailed and several PM's (that you also derailed and I stopped answering) is not changing anything. Think you have some crusade here to defend yourself? Knock yourself out champ.
Don't get upset, Stats. You're the one who can't answer a really simple question. Most people would look at the fact we had heaps of injuries and the fact Warner scored an unbeaten century and conclude that it was absolutely not a mistake to pick him. Why are you having trouble with it?

Was it a mistake to pick Warner for Hobart?
 
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I could have typed your response for you. It was predictable. Around and around we do go. Ed Cowan should have been picked ahead of Warner. I wasn't the first to say it. This thread was started for similar reasons and many other people have voiced the same thoughts I have. If you can't handle it, fine. That's your concern. I'm out because my time is more valuable. I could be looking up stats right now. Instead I'm here talking to a wall.
 

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I could have typed your response for you. It was predictable. Around and around we do go. Ed Cowan should have been picked ahead of Warner.
What about Tom Cooper, Rob Quiney, Peter Forrest and Wes Robinson? Or have you revised the pecking order? Because you had all those guys ahead of Warner last week.

Are you sure Cooper shouldn't have been picked ahead of Warner? Have you looked at Cooper's ODI numbers? Pretty impressive. I mean, that knock against Afghanistan – sure, it took him 150 balls but Khalid Daq and Samiullah Shenwari were almost unplayable that day. What more does he need to do? Sure, Warner had a FC average in the 50s, but Cooper scored a ODI ton against Afghanistan. Surely you can't just ignore that?

I wasn't the first to say it. This thread was started for similar reasons and many other people have voiced the same thoughts I have. If you can't handle it, fine. That's your concern. I'm out because my time is more valuable. I could be looking up stats right now. Instead I'm here talking to a wall.
So it was a mistake to pick Warner for Hobart. It was a mistake to pick the guy who scored an unbeaten century while the rest capitulated.

That is what you are saying.
 

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If you two would like I can create a separate forum where you can post all day to your heart's content.

I think I can safely say the rest of us have seen enough on this topic.

Time to move on.
 

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If you two would like I can create a separate forum where you can post all day to your heart's content.

I think I can safely say the rest of us have seen enough on this topic.

Time to move on.
I just find it peculiar that anyone could argue it was a mistake to pick the guy who was our best player. Don't you think that is strange?

And, let's face it, it's a shitty, incoherent thread so what is really lost by me asking for clarification from Stats?

Re-read the OP and then tell me how this precious thread must be preserved for sensible discussion.
 

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Because you have asked it 11 times.

Move on.
OK. Fair enough.

Do you remember Tom Cooper's knock against Afghanistan? It was right up there with Steve Waugh at the 1999 World Cup. He should be in the Test side. I'm just saying.

Nice signature BTW. Are you a collector? Would you like it if I sent you some zingers via PM. Special ones. Just for you. Would that make your day? Put a smile on your little moderator dial?
 

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^ ROFL. The reason they call me that is because I can tell them any players stats within a very close margin. ie centuries I would get spot on but might be a few hundred out in terms of runs or a handful in terms of wicket. It's not that I have one of those brains that remembers everything. I don't, I just look up cricket stats a lot. Certainly international, no so domestic.




The current state of test cricket in Australia seems to be falling further every day. Now we hear Paine is out for longer. Marsh is doubtful going forward with question marks over his longevity. Ponting and Hussey seem to be falling by the minute. How things can change even in a week.

Therefore predictions are bold indeed. However the future looks bright for D Warner in the baggy green. Probably play 70 test and average low 40's at a strike rate of 90. There I said it now go away.
The future looks bright for Warner and yet it was a mistake to pick him in Hobart? No worries....And you predict 70 Tests..... You really need to stop counting bar codes If we get that out of him who wouldn't be happy?
 
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