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No doubt, and I'd say the pay issue had a bit to do with it. But it's incorrect to say the camp had nothing to do with it.
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Nothing really in it, but not sure the club would be happy about players bringing it up.
One of the major reasons he even got into the AFL system is due to having a famous football name, it certainly wasn’t work ethic. Hasn’t ever put a consistent month of footy together in the 6 or so years he’s been in the system. Always has issues with fitness. Goes missing for long periods in games.
Takes a great mark a few times a yesr but he has never been worth 500k a season, let alone 800k. It’ll be very interesting to see what happens at the end of his current contract at Carlton, or whether they look to offload even earlier than that.
Whatever the truth is, it’s only a good thing that he’s no longer on our list.
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Yeah I'm sorry Roo is incompetent. Can't work out when to shut his mouth and how to speak out correctly
These kind of comments have opened us up for fire once again, just like Colin Young has done now. He seems to get himself into these situations often these days
He's the worst issue at the club, worse than Chapman/Fagan
These kind of comments have opened us up for fire once again, just like Colin Young has done now. He seems to get himself into these situations often these days
He's the worst issue at the club, worse than Chapman/Fagan
Honestly -some of the stuff you post...
Mitch started with us in 2014, then in 2017 he signs a 3 year extension. 1 year later he’s gone.
So your position is that, after almost 3 years here he commits for another 3, then in 2018 he decided the club is a bit sterile.
Do you realise what a ridiculous proposition that is?
He stayed because we offered him a monster contract for someone who had only shown glimpses of potential, in hindsight we should’ve let him go then. He regretted signing in 2017 weeks after doing it when he realized the club were never going to renegotiate his contract. For all of Pyke’s faults, he realized Gov was a lazy selfish **** who was playing for himself and couldn’t care less about playing finals or not.
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Dig up Roo. FFS
There was speculation we lost Charles due to money but the Expert Consensus on this board was that we lost him because of his partner or he hated Adelaide or whatever
Good to see Roo confirm it’s because we stuffed up our salary cap
Great Job Roo in explaining our current salary cap is maxed.
Justifying your personal actions is definitely goal to focus on here.
The big thing for me is in the Keath comment - 'keep him and we lose more players'
Which players, Roo? I'm sure that Keath is a more worthwhile guy to have around the club as a footballer than Bryce freaking Gibbs
Which players, Roo? I'm sure that Keath is a more worthwhile guy to have around the club as a footballer than Bryce freaking Gibbs
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Roo did also mention the Adelaide "fishbowl was also a factor though it's been conveniently left out in the written articles the journalists took from that interview
Bloody Dylan.
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Charlie was going anyway. Hated Adelaide winters.
Overpriced, homeward bound, too old: Crows legend unpacks why eight star players left
Overpriced, homeward bound, too old: Crows legend unpacks why eight star players leftwww.foxsports.com.au
Ricciuto’s comments came in response to former North Melbourne chairman James Brayshaw, who put forward that if he was at the club, he would’ve asked the board why so many players have left, saying “it is ridiculous how many players have requested to leave that place. How does that happen?”
Speaking on Triple M, Ricciuto, an eight time All Australian, went through the list of players put forward and explained why they left the club.
Patrick Dangerfield - “Dangerfield was never going to stay, we would've paid whatever we could to keep Patrick Dangerfield, he’s absolutely loyal, loves loves Moggs Creek he would’ve never stayed... we never even got to money.”
Charlie Cameron - “He was one that we didn’t want to lose, one of the few that we weren’t happy to let go. He got a very very good contract from Brisbane who were down the bottom of the ladder and had plenty of money in their salary cap, couldn't match that, absolutely not. This was at 2017, when you’re at the top of the ladder and you salary cap is chocker blocked you haven’t got much room to move have you? If you pay someone overs or a massive amount of money it means you have to lose someone else. We didn't want to lose him but we lost him.”
Jake Lever - “Got a five-year deal on 800 to 850,000, very comfortable that we let him go on that money, he’s probably a 500,000 player.”
Mitch McGovern - “Comfortable that he went. He’s got what we want and we love people that contest in the forward line and have plenty of speed and we need speed in the forward line but once again 800 and something thousand, has he delivered for Carlton yet? No. Comfortable that he went.”
Eddie Betts - “We need to get some youth into our side, he’s 33, we were comfortable for him to go. Thats not a request to leave that was a mutual agreement.”
Josh Jenkins - “Very happy for him to go. Once again age in our forward line we needed to get some youth in our forward line. Very comfortable, we’re even paying part of his contract, same with Eddie Betts.”
Hugh Greenwood - “That was as much our call or probably more our call. Everyone says we’ve got the slowest midfield in the competition, you can’t just keep having those players in your midfield and then whinge that you’ve git a slow midfield. He’s 28 this year and not going to be playing on our next premiership side so we’re trying to get draft picks in to rebuild.”
Alex Keath - “Got offered a massive amount of money to go to Western Bulldogs, a large amount of money. More than double what he was on at Adelaide. That’s what he wanted and if we kept him we would’ve lost more players.”
Ricciuto concluded by saying he is happy to be transparent surrounding any departures at the club.
“They’re the facts and if anyone disagrees with me, I’m happy to go through it,” he said.
“I’ve always said I’m happy to be asked about players.”
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Any comments on the above?
It's hard to argue with most of that.
My issue is with what we've got back the other way. We've given away a whole swathe of turn-key-go players, and all we've got back is speculative draft picks that we've been spending increasingly badly.
Start trading out established players for established players ffs.
I think this thread stems from articles such as this:
With the title: “Real reason stars ditched Crows: Manager pins Adelaide exodus on THAT camp”
I thought I’d point out a glaring fault in the article above. Which is the fact that Cameron left us before “THAT camp” even occurred. Lazy ass journalism at its trolling best..
With the title: “Real reason stars ditched Crows: Manager pins Adelaide exodus on THAT camp”
I thought I’d point out a glaring fault in the article above. Which is the fact that Cameron left us before “THAT camp” even occurred. Lazy ass journalism at its trolling best..
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Keath was a perfect example of a situation where we could've just straight up told the truth without any spin and supporters would've have been fine with the explanation.
He is 28 years old along with Talia and Harto and it's not ideal to have all three of your KPP defenders retiring at the exact same time. And we had eyes for MacAsey in the draft. Keath was surplus to our current needs and we had an opportunity to improve our draft position. We were happy to keep him for the right price but weren't going to get in his way for more money and opportunity at another club.
Roo: Yeah nah let's just make Keath look like a money hungry campaigner
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He also mentioned he believed that the "fishbowl" was the main factor with Lachie Neale wanting out at Freo plus going to a club flush with cap space in Brisbane that could afford to pony up the big bucks.
I do wonder if the Gibbs deal has scared them off doing that for a while. Also probably doesn’t make much sense right now given we have chosen the rebuild path. I’m ok if we target players in their early 20s who can’t get a game due to good depth in their position at whatever club they’re at, but I don’t see the point in targeting the absolute big names until we are close to contending again.
Keath did get a huge offer from the Bulldogs, though Roo could’ve definitely worded that one better. Should’ve just said it was beneficial for both parties that he moved on, same with Greenwood.
He's never accepted there's an issue he caused. It's always been someone else's fault and we can't ever get better until the administration admits they are the issue and they can't be the ones who fix it, they have to move aside and let someone else do it. If they truly loved the club like they said they would, but their love is too tied in with their own ego and hubris that they're the only ones capable of fixing it. All they've shown is the only thing they know how to do is continue to **** things up (some could argue that's all Chapman has ever done).