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[ant555]

Why

Do we handball to Lloyd on the run inside 50 ? Lloydy moves slower than an old tractor and gets run down all the time.

Do we play slow moving forwards at CHF on the edge of the square so their opponents can run off them and into dangerous attacking positions.

Do we continue to pick tall / slow sides against running opposition.

Cant we shepherd.

Cant we find blokes who actually know how to find an opponent.

Dont we help each other out by picking up team mates man if he is in a more attacking position.

Cant we work a zone defence properly.

Do we guard space in the zones that no one would kick the footy to anyway.

Seriously we have a side that contains some of the dumbest footballers of all time. Time to go back to school boys and learn a bit about footy smarts.

 

[Longy413]

I agree with some of the things you say, but I reckon our shepharding has stepped up the last two weeks.

And I'm pretty sure we have the most zone retrevials from kick ins in the AFL.

I thought we did two things well last night, we forced Richmond wide and we used the corridor at every opportunity.

 

[BabyBomber]

Shepherding was good last night I think. Two of note would be Lovett's 20-30m run to shepherd and also one of Welshy's was a good'un. Think Lovett is turning into the player he needs to be.

 

[ant555]

If shepherding is good then count how many we do in a game compared to the opposition

 

[ant555]

I agree with some of the things you say, but I reckon our shepharding has stepped up the last two weeks.

And I'm pretty sure we have the most zone retrevials from kick ins in the AFL.

I thought we did two things well last night, we forced Richmond wide and we used the corridor at every opportunity.

Yep it was pretty impressive how we forced them wide and then gave up the middle of the ground for them to switch to a number of times.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Spot on Ant.

How many times this season has a forward taken an uncontested mark 15m in front of goal with about 3 of our players watching?


Lack of teamwork, laziness, poor coaching, dumb footballers... the list goes on .

They should study tapes of Collingwood, North, Hawthorn.

 

[BabyBomber]

If shepherding is good then count how many we do in a game compared to the opposition

Ok, maybe I should have said improved, not good.

 

[Aussie Assault]

We don't have the skills to be competitive with the better teams. Richmond should have beaten us by a lot more, but their kicking kept us in it.

Too often we give that extra handball that doesn't need to be given and then puts a player under pressure. McPhee and Monfires are serial pests at doing this, although McPhee played pretty good last night I thought.

Lovett's shepherd was a beauty, but its in tight contested areas where we need to do this more.

The midfield was our biggest killer last night though I feel. Laycock won probably 95% of his rucking in the center, but almost everytime Richmond got the clearance. Jobe would have been handy to have in the team.

 

[Don Envy]

I'd love to know why everytime there is a contested situation there is always opposition numbers around the contest while our guys are no where to be seen

 

[Merv]

I'd love to know why everytime there is a contested situation there is always opposition numbers around the contest while our guys are no where to be seen

The answer to that is that our players are not prepared to work hard enough and push themselves through the pain barrier.

Whos fault is this?

The coaching staff!!!.

We need a coach who will not stand for slack lazy performances and instead of threatening to drop players, or drop them only for them to play anyway for a late withdrawal, will actually drop players that are not prepared to do what it takes to be competitive.

It is time to get tough and set a standard for ALL our club to follow

 

[DaSawx]

I'd love to know why everytime there is a contested situation there is always opposition numbers around the contest while our guys are no where to be seen

Teams work harder, run harder, have smarter more dedicated players, have better strategies

 

[Jaymin]

We could hardly lay a tackle last night....that was one of the issues. They just ran through us most of the time.

That and our ball use was disgraceful...but its been that way for a little while now.

The occasion was too much for them last night.

 

[Stants_24_Legend]

Now Im Not a guy who has a go at my team alot, but Essendon you were f******* gutless and pathetic. How can you play like that for a champion and icon of the club. It was the most pathetic piece of shit since i have been an essendon supporter. Yes, injuries didnt help with fresh legs coming on but FFS we were playing the 16th team on the ladder..And for the people who said that we would win by 10 goals,you guys better have better comebacks than we had injuries and shit because your gonna cop it big time. I Think at least 12 people must go at years end.

Mark Johnson -too old and slow

Jobe Watson - too slow

Damien Peverill - too slow and old

Jason Johnson - slow

Kepler Bradley - just a dud

Scott Camporreale - Slow and turns ball over too much

David Hille - too top heavy and isnt a ruckmen, the only way he is going to stay if the new coach plays him out at CHF and Lucas down at CHB and play Laycock and Ryder in the ruck

Courtney Johns - Cant play..

Mark Bolton - Terrible all round

Chris Heffernan - has given nothing since coming back

Richard Cole - hopeless

Andrew Lee - hasnt been given a go so obvisouley not good enough..

All those players should be gone at the end of the year. I dont care if we finish last on the ladder but at least we will get rid of these guys who are costing us games.

If you were a die hard essendon supporter you would agree with me. Well Done Richmond, you did beat us but you guys are still just as bad which makes it worse for us because we lost to u.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

The answer to that is that our players are not prepared to work hard enough and push themselves through the pain barrier.

Whos fault is this?

The coaching staff!!!.

We need a coach who will not stand for slack lazy performances and instead of threatening to drop players, or drop them only for them to play anyway for a late withdrawal, will actually drop players that are not prepared to do what it takes to be competitive.

It is time to get tough and set a standard for ALL our club to follow

It's sad to see players like MJ and Monfries struggle throughout the year yet only get dropped when it's far too late.

Players like Houli, Lonergan at times, Bradley who have constantly performed well at VFL level have not been rewarded.

Laycock should have had more of a run in the VFL earlier in the year. Lets not get performances against Carlton and Richmond confused with what he's dished up all year.

 

[BomberAce7]

Now Im Not a guy who has a go at my team alot, but Essendon you were f******* gutless and pathetic. How can you play like that for a champion and icon of the club. It was the most pathetic piece of shit since i have been an essendon supporter. Yes, injuries didnt help with fresh legs coming on but FFS we were playing the 16th team on the ladder..And for the people who said that we would win by 10 goals,you guys better have better comebacks than we had injuries and shit because your gonna cop it big time. I Think at least 12 people must go at years end.

Mark Johnson -too old and slow

Jobe Watson - too slow

Damien Peverill - too slow and old

Jason Johnson - slow

Kepler Bradley - just a dud

Scott Camporreale - Slow and turns ball over too much

David Hille - too top heavy and isnt a ruckmen, the only way he is going to stay if the new coach plays him out at CHF and Lucas down at CHB and play Laycock and Ryder in the ruck

Courtney Johns - Cant play..

Mark Bolton - Terrible all round

Chris Heffernan - has given nothing since coming back

Richard Cole - hopeless

Andrew Lee - hasnt been given a go so obvisouley not good enough..

All those players should be gone at the end of the year. I dont care if we finish last on the ladder but at least we will get rid of these guys who are costing us games.

If you were a die hard essendon supporter you would agree with me. Well Done Richmond, you did beat us but you guys are still just as bad which makes it worse for us because we lost to u.

Cant disagree with that!!!

 

[Smokin]

I agree with much of this, and lately I have become convinced we are not a well coached side, or arent playing like one anyway.

Many of our problems are coachable - we nearly ALWAYS seem outstructured, ie too exposed as too heavy too often, and too small in other times in the backline. We dont seem to have structure - going forward or back, It is like it is a free for all.

Yes, our disposal going forward was horrible last night - but half the time we were totally out numbered and kicked it anyway. We are not drilled with team philosophies, well it seems. We dont work hard enough full stop - across the board. And that isnt necessarily a fitness or personal issue - it is a team thing which isnt being communicated properly or at all.

But, in fairness to the coaching staff, my feel is that our finals bubble de-flated when Sheedy was "told" whilst still in finals contention. The club, for whatever reason, hasnt seemed settled since. The whole feel has been wrong IMO the last few weeks. As I posted before last weeks game, it is hard to work out if Sheedy is trying to play kids or make the finals - its sorta both, so its neither here nor there.

the club has seemingly been in limbo the past month or so, IMO. It doesnt know in which direction it is trying to go.

Next season is going to be very interesting. Our list is in nowhere near as bad a situation as some are suggesting - IMO we have the best crop of kids I can remember since at least 92/93 - perhaps even better than them (at this stage). We have improved in many areas this season, but we still have work to do.

 

[bomberstomake8]

Why

Do we handball to Lloyd on the run inside 50 ? Lloydy moves slower than an old tractor and gets run down all the time.

Do we play slow moving forwards at CHF on the edge of the square so their opponents can run off them and into dangerous attacking positions.

Do we continue to pick tall / slow sides against running opposition.

Cant we shepherd.

Cant we find blokes who actually know how to find an opponent.

Dont we help each other out by picking up team mates man if he is in a more attacking position.

Cant we work a zone defence properly.

Do we guard space in the zones that no one would kick the footy to anyway.

Seriously we have a side that contains some of the dumbest footballers of all time. Time to go back to school boys and learn a bit about footy smarts.

last night was probably the first time ive seen an essendon player lay a shepherd this year, lovett layed a couple.. was very impressed with his performance last night, although he still cant kick on the run. continually turns the ball over after running a long distance.

we have definately got to be the most unnacountable side in the comp and it hurts us every game..
what most suprised me though was our skill level. ive been to 11 games this season now i always new our skill level was shit but last night it was so poor that it gives AFL a bad name.. can someone explain to me how a group of players who train to play footy 7 days a week are so bad at kickign the footy? why cant we hit a moving target.. hird shuold have ended up with abotu 15-20 marks if there was actually a ball that hit him on the full instead of 10 metres in front of him.. seriously something needs to be done, our fitness and disposal must be fixed this preseason.. if not then we are probably placed for a spoon next year.

 

[Daytripper]

Now Im Not a guy who has a go at my team alot, but Essendon you were f******* gutless and pathetic. How can you play like that for a champion and icon of the club. It was the most pathetic piece of shit since i have been an essendon supporter. Yes, injuries didnt help with fresh legs coming on but FFS we were playing the 16th team on the ladder..And for the people who said that we would win by 10 goals,you guys better have better comebacks than we had injuries and shit because your gonna cop it big time. I Think at least 12 people must go at years end.

Mark Johnson -too old and slow

Jobe Watson - too slow

Damien Peverill - too slow and old

Jason Johnson - slow

Kepler Bradley - just a dud

Scott Camporreale - Slow and turns ball over too much

David Hille - too top heavy and isnt a ruckmen, the only way he is going to stay if the new coach plays him out at CHF and Lucas down at CHB and play Laycock and Ryder in the ruck

Courtney Johns - Cant play..

Mark Bolton - Terrible all round

Chris Heffernan - has given nothing since coming back

Richard Cole - hopeless

Andrew Lee - hasnt been given a go so obvisouley not good enough..

All those players should be gone at the end of the year. I dont care if we finish last on the ladder but at least we will get rid of these guys who are costing us games.

If you were a die hard essendon supporter you would agree with me. Well Done Richmond, you did beat us but you guys are still just as bad which makes it worse for us because we lost to u.

Considering the thinness of the draft and that we will be getting a new coach I would say that most probably we will be getting rid of 7 players which would give us 4 players in the National draft (we may even only want 3), allow us to promote 2 rookies and pick up 1 player in the PSD.

Promote : Rama, Hocking
Retire : Hird, Hefffernen & Campo (unless his knee miraculously gets better)
Delist : Lonergan, JJ (pay his contract out), Cole and Bolton

A lot of the players you mentioned are contracted so can't be cut.

I really can't see any massive changes at seasons end.

 

[monty1104]

Now Im Not a guy who has a go at my team alot, but Essendon you were f******* gutless and pathetic. How can you play like that for a champion and icon of the club. It was the most pathetic piece of shit since i have been an essendon supporter. Yes, injuries didnt help with fresh legs coming on but FFS we were playing the 16th team on the ladder..And for the people who said that we would win by 10 goals,you guys better have better comebacks than we had injuries and shit because your gonna cop it big time. I Think at least 12 people must go at years end.

Mark Johnson -too old and slow

Jobe Watson - too slow

Damien Peverill - too slow and old

Jason Johnson - slow

Kepler Bradley - just a dud

Scott Camporreale - Slow and turns ball over too much

David Hille - too top heavy and isnt a ruckmen, the only way he is going to stay if the new coach plays him out at CHF and Lucas down at CHB and play Laycock and Ryder in the ruck

Courtney Johns - Cant play..

Mark Bolton - Terrible all round

Chris Heffernan - has given nothing since coming back

Richard Cole - hopeless

Andrew Lee - hasnt been given a go so obvisouley not good enough..

All those players should be gone at the end of the year. I dont care if we finish last on the ladder but at least we will get rid of these guys who are costing us games.

If you were a die hard essendon supporter you would agree with me. Well Done Richmond, you did beat us but you guys are still just as bad which makes it worse for us because we lost to u.

The bolded ones are the ones that I think will stay on next year. If you honestly think Watson will go, than you are in need of a mental institution . Hille and Lee are contracted, so wont go. And i think, even though he is a dud most of the time, Hille will stay. The reason being that Ryder still needs more time in the ruck before he can step up and take over from Hille. I'd like to see Campo stay, but with his acl injury, im guessing that he will retire instead of trying to play a season after no preseason training. MJ will be 30 next season. I can see him getting a spot as a dangerous forward pocket. I cant see him being delisted. Also, JJ is contracted till the end of next year, so he will be there unless he retires.

 

[A. N. Onymous]

Yeah poor coaching! I noticed last night at 3/4 time that Stanton & co werent even listening to Sheed's address, not focussed & seemed like they couldnt care less! The messages are worn out now. I hope our new coach can get his messages across.

To be fair I would be a little pre-occupied if one of my teammates was lying motionless in the middle of the ground and being stretchered off.

 

[FandangoDingo]

Teams work harder, run harder, have smarter more dedicated players, have better strategies

Yeah, but apart from that.....

 

[PIEBOY]

Bad Luck.. and I mean that.

All the people on here saying coaching let you down I dont agree, I think the coach can only do half the work the players need to stand up for what he said. Essondon just didnt give a s--t and went out there like they had lost the game befor it had even started. Why didnt they chase hard tackle hard hit the targets because they wernt switched on. Maybe they are lost with the thought that there coach is gone and there star Hird is gone as well. This could be plying on the minds of the younger players. But that is no reason for the older players not to step up and make an example.

Ritchmond play half arsed most weeks but if you are not swithched on and give them a sniff they will take the opertunity as we found out a couple of weeks ago. I just think Sheeds and Hird desered better from the players.

If you get Daniher and Melb get Sheeds I dont see how a team like the Dons will benifit from getting a coach from a team doing worse then you most stupid swap in AFL history.

Not here to have a go just my opinions.

Good Luck Next Year.

 

[SOT4]

I Think at least 12 people must go at years end.

Mark Johnson -too old and slow

Jobe Watson - too slow

Damien Peverill - too slow and old

Jason Johnson - slow

Kepler Bradley - just a dud

Scott Camporreale - Slow and turns ball over too much

David Hille - too top heavy and isnt a ruckmen, the only way he is going to stay if the new coach plays him out at CHF and Lucas down at CHB and play Laycock and Ryder in the ruck

Courtney Johns - Cant play..

Mark Bolton - Terrible all round

Chris Heffernan - has given nothing since coming back

Richard Cole - hopeless

Andrew Lee - hasnt been given a go so obvisouley not good enough..

All those players should be gone at the end of the year. I dont care if we finish last on the ladder but at least we will get rid of these guys who are costing us games.

If you were a die hard essendon supporter you would agree with me. Well Done Richmond, you did beat us but you guys are still just as bad which makes it worse for us because we lost to u.

You cant drop 12 players from your list in one year. Who are you going to replace 12 players with in a draft that lacks depth. How good do you think picks 70, and 80 will be? They wont get anywhere near most of those guys. Also getting rid Watson is idiotic. Not every player needs to be super quick. He gets clearances which is an area we are sorely lacking in.

 

[stugots]

we dont need wholesale changes, that never happens anywhere anyway

what we need is a coach & staff that can get thru to a side that has clearly lost its way

however to rake over the coals of the sides performances since sheedys sacking would be a mistake imo. despite his public denials, sheeds has clearly been on the rag & that negativity has filtered thru the entire club so there was little chance of improvement post mid season, not an excuse just a fact

luv sheeds like a brother but a new coach & next preseason cant come quick enough for all concerned

 

[Runk]

All delistable and should start planning financially on playing country footy.