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Australian Basketball has had gender pay equality for the national teams for decades, was there a surge? Given the Matildas deal has been portrayed as a world first, when it isnt even an Australian first, I would suggest everybody forgot about it shortly after it happened.
1. I did not know this- when was it introduced?
Likely some of that attendance figure was influenced by the Samantha Kerr appearance who is likely to depart our shores for England after indicating that she preferred to cut back on her appearances in Australia and the USA.1. I did not know this- when was it introduced?
Are there any other professional team sports in Aust. or the world, where the national women's team gets paid the same as the men's at the main international tournament?
2. Do you know what the Socceroos were paid for their 2018 WC, when they didn't progress out of their Group? And what would they be paid if they did progress out of their Group? I think they get paid more,the higher they progress.
Applying the new equality formula, what would the Matildas be paid if they make the Final 8 in future WC's (which is possible or likely)?
Incidentally, the Matilda's equal wage deal may be better than many people realise.
IIRC, the Socceroos have been one of the highest paid teams in the world at WC's, as far back as c. 2006 WC- even though their ranking has been from c. 20 then to c. 44 now (this attracted some adverse comments).
Therefore, will this make the Matilda's (currently ranked c. 8 in the world) the best paid in future WC's; or one of the best paid at future WC's?
3. Do you know if the FFA payments to their soccer WC players has a direct impact on how much they are able to spend on male & female GR players?
4. Furthermore, the Melb. H./Sun has run 2 Editorials in the last few days, praising the Matilda's equal pay deal- & suggesting there needs to be more equality offered to women's sport (but did not specifically say that women's club pro players should be paid the same as the men's pro players).
Soccer has secured a strong promotional/"propaganda" victory- & is likely to use its pay deal for the Matildas as a way of seeking "leverage" & benefits in many other areas for soccer (from govts./councils/private sector companies/ etc. & general media affirmation).
I don't believe we, in Aust., will be allowed to "forget" c. the generosity shown to the Matildas.
'The pay deal that stopped a nation': The incredible world reaction to Matildas equal pay
As news broke that the Matildas had secured an equal 24% split of national team revenue generation with the Socceroos, the world stopped and took notice of a landmark moment in the fight for equal pay.thewomensgame.com
It is being reported the Matildas had a record, stand-alone crowd in Aust. yesterday, over 20,000 to a Friendly vs Chile at Bankwest- is there already some beneficial "blowback" for female soccer? If so, how long will it last?
Behind a paywall1. I did not know this- when was it introduced?
Are there any other professional team sports in Aust. or the world, where the national women's team gets paid the same as the men's at the main international tournament?
2. Do you know what the Socceroos were paid for their 2018 WC, when they didn't progress out of their Group? And what would they be paid if they did progress out of their Group? I think they get paid more,the higher they progress.
Applying the new equality formula, what would the Matildas be paid if they make the Final 8 in future WC's (which is possible or likely)?
Incidentally, the Matilda's equal wage deal may be better than many people realise.
IIRC, the Socceroos have been one of the highest paid teams in the world at WC's, as far back as c. 2006 WC- even though their ranking has been from c. 20 then to c. 44 now (this attracted some adverse comments).
Therefore, will this make the Matilda's (currently ranked c. 8 in the world) the best paid in future WC's; or one of the best paid at future WC's?
3. Do you know if the FFA payments to their soccer WC players has a direct impact on how much they are able to spend on male & female GR players?
4. Furthermore, the Melb. H./Sun has run 2 Editorials in the last few days, praising the Matilda's equal pay deal- & suggesting there needs to be more equality offered to women's sport (but did not specifically say that women's club pro players should be paid the same as the men's pro players).
On 9.11, The Age also had an Editorial praising the Matilda's deal, & its importance.
Women's pay finally gets a sporting chance
For so long, women’s sport was a distant second-tier to men’s.www.theage.com.au
Soccer has secured a strong promotional/"propaganda" victory- & is likely to use its pay deal for the Matildas as a way of seeking "leverage" & benefits in many other areas for soccer (from govts./councils/private sector companies/ etc. & general media affirmation).
I don't believe we, in Aust., will be allowed to "forget" c. the generosity shown to the Matildas.
'The pay deal that stopped a nation': The incredible world reaction to Matildas equal pay
As news broke that the Matildas had secured an equal 24% split of national team revenue generation with the Socceroos, the world stopped and took notice of a landmark moment in the fight for equal pay.
It is being reported the Matildas had a record, stand-alone crowd in Aust. yesterday, over 20,000 to a Friendly vs Chile at Bankwest- is there already some beneficial "blowback" for female soccer? If so, how long will it last?
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You can stuff your irony in a sack. For one thing, Melbourne's AFLW team has consistently been a delightful exponent of fast-paced attacking football, particularly in the two years before Daisy's absence. Secondly, your rather snide remark ignores all the relevant league-wide stats, such as:
I did read your replies, & there are some areas I simply have a different opinion to you.
Re significant drop in ratings. What is a significant drop? I cannot find any data. I would have expected a drop after the first season given the novelty factor boost for season 1. You will also need to make a case equating drop in ratings with congestion. All the data I have seen says congestion decreased each of the first 3 years, open play and scoring increased, yet you make a case that its congestion causing the drop. A league ratings dropped to, are they suffering congestion as well?
If you add questions six hours after originally posting, I might not see them.
Following on from what jatz14 said, none of us have enough information to assess that question's scrupulousness, much less provide a definitive answer.
Addressing all those above examples would be a good start, which is exactly what the 2020 fixture does (the one about prelims and grand final isn't guaranteed, but it's been given a decent shot at improving)
... idk, not even in my top hundred things to worry about for AFLW broadcasts.
The AFLPA's plan is by 2030, sounds good to me. While you're worried about ratings, the total player payments continue to get bigger and bigger. Gone from $2.75m to $10.1m in five years, nearly quadrupled. Might be a clue in that.
Like I said, more goals are being kicked. Every year. Feel free to add up the numbers yourself to cross-check, simple to get a hold of unlike TV ratings.
At least you tried to provide a solution on this occasion, but in doing so demonstrated the difficulty of your demands. You suggest at least three (your amendments made it worse!) games per week starting before 7pm, so I guess you weren't that serious about night-games-only after all. And 7pm games on Thursdays and Sundays will no doubt bring the league all kinds of criticism for not being family-friendly and hurting attendance numbers, at which point it won't matter what direction the cameras are facing.
I amended my game time suggestions a few hours before you posted your reply. Can you reply to my amendment, and then I will reply to all your points.
I'm disputing the usefulness of the figures that have been reported. Even if they were comprehensive (which they aren't), even if they were huge (which they aren't), I'd still be cautious in assigning them too much meaning at this stage and hunting for explanatory factors that may not exist.
I have now amended my response to your amended game time suggestions.
But on this I should also say I've heard 2030 thrown around informally by several avenues and sources, including Gillon McLachlan. I referred to the AFLPA before because I knew it had definitely been mentioned in articles, like the one you found or this one back in March primarily about the wariness of a joint-CBA:
I do not understand fully your reply.
Yes, specifically the 'significant' part, hence why I said "I'd still be cautious in assigning TV ratings too much meaning at this stage".
Scott Gullen reported in the Herald Sun in 2019 that Ch.7 were so disenchanted with the decline in AFLW ratings that it put the AFLW on notice that the games would be transferred to a secondary channel unless there was a significant improvement- which, unfortunately, due to them not recovering, the change was made. I recall radio commentary after this that the significant AFLW ratings' decline was part of a long term trend.
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It could also be fans became disenchanted with the game because of the conference system. Teenwolf posted about how the last two highest scoring teams in the H/A have ended up winning the tournament which shows the game isn’t about congestion or tackling but scoring.Why do you think AFLW ratings are dropping (after the 2017 initial novelty factor, which would only exist for a few weeks, dissipated?
See my post #93 from 23.9.18, & Tim Lane's linked (The Age) comments.
On 23.9.18, when I referred to the significant drop in AFLW 2018 ratings, it was due to MSM references to the drop.
Why women play the rough/risky game of AF? How can we get more?/Improve the AFLW? Any barriers?
Have no problem with female participation but they need to play on smaller field - soccer or rugby size and under modified rules. The amount of games I have seen where girls do not know how to tackle or protect their bodies when colliding/bumping opponents is concerning. No
Are you claiming the AFL's Charter Of The Game (essentially, the AFL wants AF to have a game style that is a reasonably free-flowing and attacking, with good scoring) is, philosophically, incorrect. The AFL has an average of 140 tackles per game now, in the 1980's it was an average of 40. Stoppage rates are also at virtually record highs, average AFL scoring is the lowest since 1968 (despite grounds being pristine now, very little wind with enclosed grand stands).
Scott Gullen reported in the Herald Sun in 2019 that Ch.7 were so disenchanted with the decline in AFLW ratings that it put the AFLW on notice that the games would be transferred to a secondary channel unless there was a significant improvement- which, unfortunately, due to them not recovering, the change was made.
The AFL's hypocrisy is on show, and the gimmicky AFLX adds salt to the wound
It is decisions like these which incite rage in fans of the AFLW who just want to see women given a fair go and chance to succeed, writes Kate O'Halloran.www.abc.net.au
You have previously advised that the AFLW Ch.7 ratings averaged c. 95,000 in 2019.
For the data you have, what were the ratings in 2017 & 2018 for Ch.7; & Foxtel 2017- 2019. IIRC, many or most games in 2017 on Ch.7 were close to 200,000; & 2018 showed a significant average decrease.
There has also been MSM comments that the AFLW ratings have significantly declined.
AF was very rarely played on cricket ovals until the late 1870's- it was banned by cricket clubs. It was played on the adjoining Richmond Paddock (next to MCG), Royal Park & other paddocks in Victoria & elsewhere.
Your assuming the novelty factor caused a short term drop. I don't think that was a valid assumption.I accept the very high, initial AFLW Ratings for the first 1 or 2 weeks were not sustainable- due to the huge publicity for the start of the 2017 AFLW & novelty factor.
Why do you think AFLW ratings are dropping from after this short novelty factor (1-3 weeks) wore off?
See my post #93 from 17.10.18
On 17.10.18, when I referred to the significant drop in AFLW 2018 ratings ( "AFLW ratings crashed in 2018"), it was due to MSM references to the drop (IIRC, from Radio sport program comments). My reference to the drop was not challenged subsequently by Wookie (who is normally assiduous on ratings' issues) or other BF posters (or later MSM commentary on AFLW ratings).
Why women play the rough/risky game of AF? How can we get more?/Improve the AFLW? Any barriers?
Have no problem with female participation but they need to play on smaller field - soccer or rugby size and under modified rules. The amount of games I have seen where girls do not know how to tackle or protect their bodies when colliding/bumping opponents is concerning. No
Are you claiming the AFL's Charter Of The Game (essentially, the AFL wants AF to have a game style that is a reasonably free-flowing and attacking, with good scoring) is, philosophically, incorrect. The AFL has an average of 140 tackles per game now, in the 1980's it was an average of 40. Stoppage rates are also at virtually record highs, average AFL scoring is the lowest since 1968 (despite grounds being pristine now, very little wind with enclosed grand stands).
