Why women play the rough/risky game of AF? How can we get more?/Improve the AFLW? Any barriers?

[The_Wookie]

And K O'Hallaran. She posted something that suggested the Matilda's getting the same pay as the Socceroos meant AFLW players should be paid the same as the AFL. I replied and pointed out the W league is the appropriate comparison.

She blocked me. I didn't even suggest AFLW players didn't deserve more pay, I just disagreed with her assesment.

Ardent feminist who sees AFLW as another platform on which to engage the gender wars, and every single thing she writes and fact she uses is done for this reason.

She should be believed on topics AFLW related the way you should approach what Morrison says about climate change, or Trump says about the election.

With a large degree of scepticism.

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Ohallaron and I have disagreed on financial matters too. Wanting the club distributions to be split evenly between mens and womens teams and seeming to not understand that club distributions are for the club as a whole - mens and womens, not just its mens team, or that money reported as spent running AFLW last year was literally to run the competition, or that development funding includes money spent on womens footy. Still follows me on twitter though.

Shes apparently Cheif sports writer at the Australian.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. SEN Melb. 5.5 Watson & Lyon program

S. Edmund said:-

. the AFLW Competition Committee met yesterday- & they believe there should be no expansion in the AFLW in the short term in 2022, or possibly longer.

. B. Gale etc. has complained there are sometimes heavy staff overloads, when the AFLW & AFL are being played concurrently.

. the Committee will recommend to the AFL Commission that the AFLW should start much earlier, in December.

. "It's now appears inevitable the AFLW starts earlier, in December, it's a good thing" ie Edmund agrees on a December start, for clear air.

No AFLW expansion expected in 2022

The AFLW competition appears certain to remain at 14 teams for the upcoming 2022 season.

www.sen.com.au

Playing the AFLW from early December (hopefully, mainly games starting from 6pm Thur- Sun.) will be a major boost for the AFLW- clear air is essential, to maximise ratings/crowds/MSM interest etc; & allows the players to execute their skills more effectively, not having to play in the hottest part of the day.

The more successful & developed the AFLW becomes, the greater will be the boom in GR female AF ( & probably male AF).
With higher ratings & crowds etc., the chances increase that players could become full time, higher paid pros.





2.

You mean expert opinion that you love to hammer us all with when you go on, and on, and on, about 'tackleball' and whining about games being contested. Funny how your 'expert opinion' is solely that which agrees with your point of view. I mean, Professor Norton has surely been cited more times by you on this forum than they have in the entire rest of the football world.

It is good to listen to expert opinion, & consider it.

Prof. Norton is the AFL's own appointed expert. Your ignoring of the relevant facts won't make them go away.
It is a very relevant fact that the tackle rates in recent years have hit record highs of c.140 per game, cf c.40 per game in the 1980's; & that collision (ie bump/tackle/push/collision) injuries are now at record highs also. This increase in injuries is a major issue for the AFL & GR AF.

Last week, again, the front page of the Melb. H./Sun was devoted to concussion concerns in the AFL. You are a fool, if you ignore this existential issue.
I am certainly not suggesting eliminating tackling or bumping, but game styles should & must be examined, & changed- for both safety, & aesthetic reasons.

After almost 2 years of hammering with sub-forum with the same argument and having numerous people call you out on the absurdity of it, you'd think you might have picked up that perhaps you're in the minority.

No, you are in the minority, in your support for the scrappy, congested, stoppages-filled, low scoring, tackleball crap. But I'm glad you enjoy your constant stoppages & ball-ups.
I note you do not quote any expert who believes the constantly congested, scrappy, low scoring (& killing the hugely popular gun full forwards!) stoppages' style is good for AF.

The overwhelming majority of MSM experts (dozens whom I have cited) have expressed their opposition to it, as have multiple AFL officials, & broadcast officials etc.
And read the AFL's Charter Of The Game, & how the game should be played. We always opposed a rugby style.
AF was founded & promoted on the philosophy that the game should, generally, be attacking, free flowing, good scoring, with an emphasis on long kicking, high marking, & lots of one-on-one contests.

Shes[O'Halloran] apparently Cheif sports writer at the Australian.

No. K. O'Halloran is at The Guardian. (J. Halloran is Chief Sports' writer at The Australian)

 

[owen87]

SEN Melb. 5.5 Watson & Lyon program

S. Edmund said:-

. the AFLW Competition Committee met yesterday- & they believe there should be no expansion in the AFLW in the short term in 2022, or possibly longer.

. Clubs have been complaining there are sometimes heavy staff overloads, when the AFLW & AFL are being played concurrently.

. the Committee will recommend to the AFL Commission that the AFLW should start much earlier, in December.

. "It's now almost inevitable AFLW starts earlier, in December, it's a good thing" ie he agrees on a much earlier start, for clear air.

SEN Breakfast

SEN Breakfast delivers more analysis and insights on the stories that matter the most to the Melbourne audience. The benchmark when it comes to football experience, Garry, Tim, Bucks, Kane and Kingy's expertise and insight sets the agenda each morning.

www.sen.com.au

(Scroll to 5.5, then click on "S. Edmund Gives an Update on the AFLW"


It is good to listen to expert opinion, & consider it.

Prof. Norton is the AFL's own appointed expert. Your ignoring the relevant facts won't make them go away.
It is a very relevant fact that the tackle rates in recent years have hit record highs of c.140 per game, cf c.40 per game in the 1980's; & that collision (ie bump/tackle/push/collision) injuries are now at record highs also. This increase in injuries is a major issue for the AFL & GR AF.

Last week, again, the front page of the Melb. H./Sun was devoted to concussion concerns in the AFL. You are a fool, if you ignore tis existential issue.
I am certainly not suggesting eliminating tackling or bumping, but game styles should & must be examine, & changed- for both safety, & aesthetic reasons.


No, you are in the minority, in your support for the scrappy, congested, stoppages-filled, low scoring, tackleball crap. But I'm lad you enjoy your stoppages & ball-ups.
I note you do not quote any expert who believes the constantly congested, scrappy, low scoring (& killing the gun full forwards) stoppages' style is good for AF.

The overwhelming majority of MSM expert (dozens whom I have cited) have expressed their opposition to it, as have multiple AFL officials, & broadcast officials etc.
And read the AFL's Charter Of The Game, & how the game should be played. We always opposed a rugby style.
AF was founded & promoted on the philosophy that the game should, generally be attacking, free flowing, good scoring, with an emphasis on long kicking, high marking, & lots of one-on-one contests.



No- you are confusing K. O'Halloran (The Guardian) with J. Halloran (Chief Sports' writer at The Australian)

As usual.

High on opinion. Low on substance.

You can't wind time back. So do you ban tackling and bumping? Teams un-learn defensive zoning?

You post the same commentary, endlessly, without any sense of reality as to how any of it would occur.

Prof Norton can say whatever he likes, the commentators can say whatever they like. The reality is that teams tackle because it wins games. Teams congest because it wins games. Teams bump because it wins games. Teams run huge distances because it wins games.

What you're agitating for is literally an exhibition league, where teams actively play in a way that looks 'pretty' instead of trying to win. That would cost viewers.

All your suggestions completely ignore the reality that a full-time league cannot go backwards, you can't un-learn that zone defence wins games, you can't un-learn that fully professional players can run further, and faster, than amateur or semi-professional ones.

For someone who generally comes across as intelligent, you are completely blind to the level of fantasy involved in the nonsense you post when it comes to this stuff. The fact you continue to use the word 'tackleball' for a start. You also claim a level of expertise on the back of regurgitating commentators statements or your beloved Prof. Norton's comments.

So, pray tell, in your own words how does the AFL 'look' like it did in the 80s, which is when you seem to believe the sport peaked visually? Don't give me ridiculous quotes from Prof Norton, or from 1889 about how the AFL was started. Explain how, as a fully professional sport in 2021 worth hundreds of millions of dollars, they stop doing what works to win games, and instead do what 'looks' pretty to nostalgic middle aged men?

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. The new AFLW season, which provides totally clear air from the AFL, is very good news for the AFLW, & will turbocharge female GR AF- as the AFLW will now become much more prominent in the MSM etc. Ratings/crowds/MSM interest collapse when the AFL starts.

It is also pleasing there will now be 10 Rounds, increased from 9.

G. McLachlan referred to the massive boost the AFLW has given GR AF, & also said, re the 2021 AFLW

"...an incredible 20% of [AFLW] supporters who are now first time attendees (ie hadn't attended an AFL match before. This is a major boost for AF, & the AFL)".

"...we are seeing more free flowing & attacking football (Words in brackets, & emphases mine)".

AFLW Latest News - AFL.com.au/aflw

Latest breaking AFLW news from the official website of the Australian Football League.

womens.afl

The AFLW, to minimise the skill-sapping summer heat/sweaty hands/sweat & sun tan lotion in eyes in eyes/strong directly overhead blinding sun, must maximise games played in the evenings.
The vast majority should be played Thur. & Mon. starting at 6.30 pm, Fri & Sat. c. 6pm & 8 pm, & Sun. c. 5pm & 7pm. All in Prime Time, & will deliver big ratings!

Could a flexible roster be introduced, so, if the BOM predicts, 48 hours in advance, a temperature at starting time over 32 degrees, the game is rescheduled?
(May be difficult/too disruptive for part time players, who have other work etc. commitments)?





2. To achieve "more free flowing & attacking football", & thus more goals (= higher crowds; & higher ratings/Rights' $/advertising $/MSM interest), there will need to be some rule changes to the AFLW. The AFLW will now get FAR more coverage, all in clear air from the AFL- its appeal must be maximised.

Congestion & tackleball/stoppages must be reduced. Biologically, of course, women can't kick or handball as far as men- thus scrappy congestion/stoppages/lower scoring are more of a problem. Many tackled/bumped/pushed/colliding players are being injured (with females more prone to serious knee injuries).

About 75% of AFLW games are good- but there were some games in 2021, when some good teams were only able to kick 2 goals for the entire game, in good conditions: obviously, totally unacceptable for the vast majority of general AF fans.

I support the comments of E. McGuire in 2020, & again on Footy Classified in early 2021, that the painted advertising on footballs (in men's AFL) should be completely removed- makes the ball more slippery. He wants the balls to be less smooth, more rough, to assist with the grip & disposal efficiency.

Scrappy play is "...detracting from the spectacle of the game".

AFL 2020: Eddie McGuire calls for redesign of Sherrin to mirror rugby league ball in order to improve grip

Collingwood president Eddie McGuire has called for a redesign of the iconic Sherrin ball in order to improve control and handling in slippery conditions.

www.sportingnews.com

I also support the comments of L. Matthews that a new football should be designed for dewy conditions, to make it less slippery- which leads to more ugly, scrappy play, congestion, tackleball crap, stoppages, & low scoring.

"Handling errors...were ruining the spectacle".

Lethal says tinker with Sherrin

Lethal says tinker with Sherrin

www.foxsports.com.au

3. The AFL announced the remaining 4 teams will join in late 2023- buy may apply to join in late 2022.

I strongly hope Sydney can join in late 2022. The Swans have vastly increased their female Academies (now with 299 participants, from 12-19 y.o.).
They have defeated some female Vic. NAB League teams in 2021!

Swans girls win on the road

The QBE Sydney Swans Academy NAB League girls team have had a memorable victory on the road on Saturday afternoon, defeating the previously undefeated Geelong Falcons by 13 points in Geelong.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

Swans girls celebrate historic victories

The QBE Sydney Swans Academy Top End girls sides have recorded historic victories over the Giants on Sunday afternoon at Homebush.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

GWS is a much lower profile team in NSW/ACT- its power to maximise AFLW support & female GR AF is very limited, cf the Swans.
Also, GWS is located in very difficult traveling times to the areas where the vast majority of Swans' female club players are located (Northern Beaches, & NS).
Where will these elite Swans' Academy 19+ y.o.'s train, & play, elite AF in 2022?
The Sydney Women's Premier comp. skill standards are inadequate.





4.

As usual.

High on opinion. Low on substance.[LOL. Your modus operandi!]

This is a good description of your posts on the ugly congestion/near record stoppages/scrappy, low scoring play/record tackle rates' style.
No experts support this style.
As for the record injury rates from tackles/bumps/pushes/collisions, your approach is to ignore it.

I have given many facts from a large no. of experts (inc. the AFL & AFL experts; & the AFL's Charter Of The Game!) to support my views, & links.
As usual, you can't/don't.





5. N. Livingstone, AFLW GM Women's Football, said on SEN today that:-

. re December ground availability, "We're pretty ok ...all of the venues are AFL...the community venues, aligned to AFL clubs, most are AFL only, that will be OK for a move into December".
(Go to Dwayne's World 13.5, then scroll to "Livingstone Interview"- then go to 2 mins. 32 secs.- 3 mins. 20 secs)

. when expansion occurs again, the AFLW will eventually start in Nov. (3 mins. 40 secs. - 3 mins 59 secs.)

Dwayne's World

Dwayne’s World will have a strong focus on local and international sporting issues, with footy front and centre

www.sen.com.au

 

[owen87]

I have given many facts from a large no. of experts (inc. the AFL & AFL expert; & the AFL's Charter Of The Game) to support my views, & links.

So, pray tell, in your own words

So no, you can't even do this one fundamental thing.

 

[BringBackTorps]

A new product- Boob Armour- has been designed to protect girls' & women's breasts from heavy impacts of knocks, & marking the ball; & protects also from painful lateral movement (by keeping breasts stable) caused by constant running- especially for women with larger breasts (Another argument against the constant flooding style/regular sprinting off the ground for interchanges).

They are a wrap-around polyethylene 2 mm strong insert, that goes under the sports' bra- cost c. $70. Suitable, in many sizes, from 8 y.o.

L. Birch says many jnr & snr female players, & parents, want more "confidence" for female AF players.
"...we need to do everything we can to keep girls playing" (AF).

AFLW Star Calls For Breast Protection In Women’s Contact Sport

All-Australian AFLW premiership defender Libby Birch has called for women and girls who play contact sport to think about protecting their most important assets: their breasts. The Melbourne AFLW star and qualified physiotherapist is an advocate for wearing breast protection while playing...

www.beagleweekly.com.au

Breast & Sports Bra Support | Boob Armour

Boob Armour Inserts (Sports bra support) is to protect women's breasts giving athletes confidence to play contact, physical sports by alleviating impact. It is perfect to prevent breast bounce from any women's sports such as hockey, netball, cricket, basketball, soccer and martial arts.

www.boobarmour.com.au

There is also the Zena vest for females- a vest that also protects the torso.

Changing the game: New protective performance vest supports female athletes

Deakin's Centre for Sport Research teams up with Zena Sport to create a game-changing protective performance vest for female athletes.

www.deakin.edu.au

 

[Biggie]

My two wear the zena vest and have had no issues with its level of comfort. Great product

 

[BringBackTorps]

My two wear the zena vest and have had no issues with its level of comfort. Great product

May I ask you:-

. your daughters' ages?
. why, specifically, did they decide to use the vests?
. can the straps securing the vests to the back of the body break, if the straps are grabbed or pulled in a tackle?.
. your knowledge of the approx. % of women using the Zena vest in their club?
. do you think vest wearers (having more confidence) go in harder for the ball, or tackle harder?

Anecdotally, I am aware of some women 50+ who have expressed a concern that regular heavy hits to the breasts, including by the football hitting the breast when attempting to mark, may pose future health problems with the breasts. I have seen no expert evidence for this concern to be well-founded.
Are you aware of women (any age) who may have similar concerns?

 

[jatz14]

May I ask you:-

. your daughters' ages?
. why, specifically, did they decide to use the vests?
. can the straps securing the vests to the back of the body break, if the straps are grabbed or pulled in a tackle?.
. your knowledge of the approx. % of women using the Zena vest in their club?
. do you think vest wearers (having more confidence) go in harder for the ball, or tackle harder?

Anecdotally, I am aware of some women 50+ who have expressed a concern that regular heavy hits to the breasts, including by the football hitting the breast when attempting to mark, may pose future health problems with the breasts. I have no evidence if this concern is well-founded.
Are you aware of women (any age) who may have similar concerns?

It used to be an old argument against women playing contact sport, that heavy hits to the breasts may lead to cancer.

This has been utterly debunked.

I am not aware of any other issues beyond the normal issues when a soft part of your body gets wacked hard - pain and bruising.

If it's older women I suspect they are remembering the concern from decades ago.

A concern I don't think was ever based on anything other than people not wanting women to play contact sports. "Don't do it, you will get breast cancer!"

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[BringBackTorps]

From 2017, GR AF has had very strong growth in Qld., ACT, & NSW.
(This excludes Sthn. NSW, where it has been whiteanted by the local GR AF clubs, & netball clubs. Until 2018, there were only 2 adult female AF teams in this AF heartland. The barren-for-AF Newcastle Hunter region has 17 adult female teams, & the Wollongong Illawarra region has 13!).

Female contact RL in NSW & Qld. is now having significant growth, off a low base- & the profile of the NRLW is starting to rise. These developments are certain to have a negative impact (not sure of the extent) on the growth of female contact AF in NSW, ACT, & Qld.

The 2020 NRLW stand-alone GF, & 2020 stand-alone female RL SOO, had national, average ratings of 552K & 452K respectively. Both of these figures are superb results for female contact RL- particularly since it has had little promotion & investment.

Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

Might do so in Sydney, and Northern and Central NSW. In Qld, the numbers are already so big, so reduced growth is not really going to have a big impact. There's a reason why they maintained the NRLW at four teams with 3 games per season, there are barely any womens comps to be found anywhere...

www.bigfooty.com

Parramatta NRL official Sarantinos said the NRL intends to poach players to the NRLW from contact AF & contact RU etc. The NRLW is adding, in 2021, 3 more teams, Gold Coast, Newcastle, & Parra, to its current 4 teams. The NRLW will go from 4 to 7 weeks.

Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

while school based games did have an offside some independent english clubs had published rules without it, or with signficant differences prior to 1859, including the Sheffield Football Club. Do you have any links to these ? How numerous and significant are these clubs. Are you suggesting that...

www.bigfooty.com

The Swans have applied to join the AFLW in season 2022 (ie starting in Dec.2022). As the Giants have a FAR lower profile to the Swans in NSW/ACT, it is essential the AFL accedes to their request. Female AF in NSW (pop. c. 8.2 m, not inc. ACT) & ACT must be further funded, & boosted.

The booming nos. emerging from the Swans' female Academies from U19 must have an elite team in NS or ES to aspire to/train for/play for. The Sydney FL female Premier Division standard is simply inadequate.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Amanda Ling (who was BOG in the 2021 U19 Oakleigh NAB League GF victory, & also played for Port Melb. in the VFLW) is likely to be a high AFLW draft pick this year.

It is pleasing to see Ling, who was born in Malaysia, is very likely to play in the AFLW later this year.
Hopefully, more Asian-Australians can be recruited into the AFLW & AFL. Persons from an Asian background (which are c. 11% of Melbourne's population, not including Middle Eastern) are very underrepresented, generally, in GR AF- but have reasonable nos. in AF private school comp., & VAFA Old Boys' teams.

Ling said, re her reasons for choosing AF over basketball

"First of all, the team environment. Basketball, you're only on the court with four others, but nothing like footy, so it's better running out with 18. I also enjoy the physicality of the game,...basketball [is] nothing like footy. I really like that challenge, & I've loved it ever since that first year. It's not like any other sport".

AFLW Latest News - AFL.com.au/aflw

Latest breaking AFLW news from the official website of the Australian Football League.

womens.afl

Anecdotally, many adults & parents involved in female GR AF have noted similar comments from other female players, re AF's better "social connectivity".

It is easier to find kindred spirits, & broaden one's friendship circle, by playing in a much larger team of c. 20-22 other players.
Furthermore, attendance at training is usually compulsory, especially to play in the "Firsts" team; & there is usually a pre-season from late Nov. for female (& male) players from U16.

GR AF clubs, generally, have more team, off-field social activities, cf other sports.

All 4 factors provide more interactions to socialise, & make friends.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

The Broader Game: NRLW games up to 70 minutes to promote fatigue factor

The NRL Telstra Women's Premiership will expand its regular game time to 70 minutes this season in another step towards building a stronger competition in 2021.

www.nrl.com

NRL article announcing couple of weeks ago that the game-lengths of NRLW matches this year will increase from 60 to 70 minutes (35 minute halves) to help provide more crowd/tv coverage of women's rugby league, to create late-match fatigue for the teams and as a result, improve the play in-ball/scoring rates of NRLW in the future for supporters & fans.

Understandably that there are less players/teams in the NRLW (6 teams) compared to AFLW (14 teams right now) and it's probably not in the short-term future interest for the sporting code, but I feel like that once all the AFL clubs have an women's side in the AFLW league and the player depth improves throughout the competition as well, I would love the AFLW to increase the time-length of the quarters from 15 to 16/18 minute quarters to help scores increase more to where they are right now and also provide more coverage for supporters wanting to watch the AFLW, via either at the ground or on the television.

Additional to that point, once the AFLW competition becomes professional with every team involved and that players can be paid a full-time salary without needing to work additional jobs on the outside, I feel like the AFLW needs be a full regular 18 round season and 8 Team Final Series, with each club playing each other once + their interstate rival again (i.e Brisbane & Gold Coast / Adelaide & Port Adelaide) to help create a much even fixture for all 18 clubs involved in the competition compared to how it is now with some clubs gaining an advantage over other clubs, due to the uneven balanced fixture.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Why do aflw coaches, use the same tactics as the men's game. The women's game has the ability to be a better game than the men's comp, why can't they be instructed by coaches to play their positions? Why don't they get walls, Sheedy, pagan, parkin, Malthouse, blight, etc to coach the teams and teach the girls the fundamentals of our game first, the girls are kamakaze like on their attack on the ball, but they haven't been taught to protect themselves by turning their bodies, this has lead to an increase in concussion. AFLW needs to be different to the men's game, in style, I think their game would be more popular than the men's game if there was no full ground zones, limit the interchange to 8 a qtr, then it would be a far better game than the men's game with space and positional play.

As usual.

High on opinion. Low on substance.

You can't wind time back. So do you ban tackling and bumping? Teams un-learn defensive zoning?

You post the same commentary, endlessly, without any sense of reality as to how any of it would occur.

Prof Norton can say whatever he likes, the commentators can say whatever they like. The reality is that teams tackle because it wins games. Teams congest because it wins games. Teams bump because it wins games. Teams run huge distances because it wins games.

What you're agitating for is literally an exhibition league, where teams actively play in a way that looks 'pretty' instead of trying to win. That would cost viewers.

All your suggestions completely ignore the reality that a full-time league cannot go backwards, you can't un-learn that zone defence wins games, you can't un-learn that fully professional players can run further, and faster, than amateur or semi-professional ones.

For someone who generally comes across as intelligent, you are completely blind to the level of fantasy involved in the nonsense you post when it comes to this stuff. The fact you continue to use the word 'tackleball' for a start. You also claim a level of expertise on the back of regurgitating commentators statements or your beloved Prof. Norton's comments.

So, pray tell, in your own words how does the AFL 'look' like it did in the 80s, which is when you seem to believe the sport peaked visually? Don't give me ridiculous quotes from Prof Norton, or from 1889 about how the AFL was started. Explain how, as a fully professional sport in 2021 worth hundreds of millions of dollars, they stop doing what works to win games, and instead do what 'looks' pretty to nostalgic middle aged men?

 

[Teen Wolf]

Why do aflw coaches, use the same tactics as the men's game. The women's game has the ability to be a better game than the men's comp, why can't they be instructed by coaches to play their positions?

For the same reason coaches of men's teams use the tactics they do. They don't want to get blown out because they think it'll extend their tenure.

the girls are kamakaze like on their attack on the ball, but they haven't been taught to protect themselves by turning their bodies

Completely disagree. The way they protect themselves now is generally good. Night-and-day from five years ago.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Except there's no ability to cut through zone, aflw players can't kick the ball like a Daniel rich or Bailey Dale, or break a line like Nick hind. Women's basketballers can't dunk, but they play a different style to the men and it's just as watchable. If positions were let's kept like in the late 80s and 90s it would be a far better product, we could have a century goalkicker in aflw. I still think they could be better at protecting their bodies, their attack on the ball is unbelievable and they leave themselves so open

For the same reason coaches of men's teams use the tactics they do. They don't want to get blown out because they think it'll extend their tenure.


Completely disagree. The way they protect themselves now is generally good. Night-and-day from five years ago.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Except there's no ability to cut through zone, aflw players can't kick the ball like a Daniel rich or Bailey Dale, or break a line like Nick hind.

Well although I agree with your premise that coaches should be held more responsible for the product, I think ^this comment is very misguided and actually gives excuses for poor tactics. AFLW is 16-a-side and the players don't cover the ground as well as their male counterparts--the good coaches do exploit these differences to their advantage, and I don't believe anybody who says this isn't as watchable as men's football:

If positions were let's kept like in the late 80s and 90s it would be a far better product, we could have a century goalkicker in aflw.

So hire VFL/AFL legends to coach teams and have them employ the tactics of their day. Alright, but I thought your point was that you wanted to see a bigger difference between the men's and women's game?

 

[owen87]

Why do aflw coaches, use the same tactics as the men's game. The women's game has the ability to be a better game than the men's comp, why can't they be instructed by coaches to play their positions? Why don't they get walls, Sheedy, pagan, parkin, Malthouse, blight, etc to coach the teams and teach the girls the fundamentals of our game first, the girls are kamakaze like on their attack on the ball, but they haven't been taught to protect themselves by turning their bodies, this has lead to an increase in concussion. AFLW needs to be different to the men's game, in style, I think their game would be more popular than the men's game if there was no full ground zones, limit the interchange to 8 a qtr, then it would be a far better game than the men's game with space and positional play.

Coaches will do what it takes to win, not to look pretty.

Zone defence > man-on-man defence.

Sheedy et al coached in a different era, so whilst they were leaders in their time, the game and tactical knowledge has moved on.

You can't unlearn what's been learned, and as we've seen with the men's game, coaches will coach in the way that best leads to wins, which is almost always defense first.

The AFL keep fiddling with the rules of the mens game to try to manufacture an outcome, and coaches keep finding ways to make defensive moves. The AFLW is no different. Step 1 is always don't get blown away. Step 2 is outscore your opposition. Playing for a shoot-out like we saw in the 80s doesn't work against modern coaching tactics.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

If you stop rotations, then players will need to rest on the ground, and won't have the energy to play full zones and press all the way up.

Then they can't use those tactics, current tactics attribute to more concussion, the games too fast where players don't know how to protect themselves, slowing it down, will open the game up and reduce concussions, and players may play in their positions rather than a rolling scrum

Coaches will do what it takes to win, not to look pretty.

Zone defence > man-on-man defence.

Sheedy et al coached in a different era, so whilst they were leaders in their time, the game and tactical knowledge has moved on.

You can't unlearn what's been learned, and as we've seen with the men's game, coaches will coach in the way that best leads to wins, which is almost always defense first.

The AFL keep fiddling with the rules of the mens game to try to manufacture an outcome, and coaches keep finding ways to make defensive moves. The AFLW is no different. Step 1 is always don't get blown away. Step 2 is outscore your opposition. Playing for a shoot-out like we saw in the 80s doesn't work against modern coaching tactics.

 

[owen87]

If you stop rotations, then players will need to rest on the ground, and won't have the energy to play full zones and press all the way up.

Then they can't use those tactics, current tactics attribute to more concussion, the games too fast where players don't know how to protect themselves, slowing it down, will open the game up and reduce concussions, and players may play in their positions rather than a rolling scrum

You mean reduce rotations like the AFL tried to do? And that has resulted in even lower scoring?

Coaches will play defense first. Zone defense is better than man-on-man defense. They'll just prioritise players with the tanks to play a zone defense, who may or may not have football skills.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

They will reduce rotations further, I think it will go down to 40, good luck playing a full zone with that many

You mean reduce rotations like the AFL tried to do? And that has resulted in even lower scoring?

Coaches will play defense first. Zone defense is better than man-on-man defense. They'll just prioritise players with the tanks to play a zone defense, who may or may not have football skills.

 

[owen87]

They will reduce rotations further, I think it will go down to 40, good luck playing a full zone with that many

So coaches will just prioritise runners.

Zone defense wins game. Players who can perform the zone defense will be chosen over those who can't.

Reducing rotations to return to the 80s style of football is a fantasy.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

That's the Ross Lyon notion, he's sides are chock full of runners and three guns, it's not sustainable and doesn't win flags.

Coaches will as they continue to do come up with different styles and the game will evolve differently, I think it's ridiculous to think that this style of footy, will be the only style played from now on.
Reduce rotations
6 6 6 rule
The 15 metre kick rule to go 20 will all eradicate or lessen zoning in the game

So coaches will just prioritise runners.

Zone defense wins game. Players who can perform the zone defense will be chosen over those who can't.

Reducing rotations to return to the 80s style of football is a fantasy.

 

[owen87]

That's the Ross Lyon notion, he's sides are chock full of runners and three guns, it's not sustainable and doesn't win flags.

Coaches will as they continue to do come up with different styles and the game will evolve differently, I think it's ridiculous to think that this style of footy, will be the only style played from now on.
Reduce rotations
6 6 6 rule
The 15 metre kick rule to go 20 will all eradicate or lessen zoning in the game

Richmond just won 3 Premierships off the back of runners who apply pressure and hold the zone together.

Methinks you're wrong.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

How many would they have won without dusty?

Richmond just won 3 Premierships off the back of runners who apply pressure and hold the zone together.

Methinks you're wrong.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Yeah, Craig Starcevich's game plan is like Ross Lyon's on steroids, and his team just won the flag. But like Richmond I believe that success comes down to playing talent and in spite of tactics (and with help from injuries to other teams). Further, I'd say these tactics have probably cost both an extra premiership along the way.