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[greatwhiteshark]

Can someone please explain to me as I have missed it through all the ramblings on tv and the radio as well as countless articles and then countless threads on Big footy why if this world cup is such a huge event and the biggest thing since sliced bread would they ever need to ask for such small sports like AFL and Rugby to be put on hold why they have this massive event in our country?

According to the new age people the world cup of soccer or football as they call it is so big it makes all other sports irrelevant? Then why the big deal if the little AFL continue to play during this time frame?

The AFL is not a world sport, apparantly it is an insignificant sport sport as far as soccer is concerned so what is the big deal? Why can't collingwood play carlton at the same time that Ghana play the netherlands. it is obvious that the soccer game will get the support is it not? Or am I reading a lot of crap in these pro soccer articles?

For sure bring the world cup to Australia, great idea. But there is no need to suspend our little piss ant sport called Australian football during this massive process. After all we are not a world game, what is FIFA concerned with?

I just don't understand can someone enlighten me as to why our little insignificant sport would have to be suspended or stopped because of this massive sport played all over the world? Why on earth are FIFA putting these demands on this tiny little sport?

 

[Dimenhydrinate]

The AFL and NRL don't need to stop. That's a lie spread by those organisations, their supporters and the biased media.

 

[fishguts]

The AFL and NRL don't need to stop. That's a lie spread by those organisations, their supporters and the biased media.

Severely compromised is the term I would use.

 

[Dimenhydrinate]

Severely compromised is the term I would use.

Four weeks without the MCG. WHOA.

If the AFL can't survive four weeks without one stadium, it doesn't deserve to survive.

 

[Barkly St End]

There are two seperate issues here.

1. FIFA does state that other major sports cannot continue while the World Cup is on. No one knows whether the AFL and NRL are described as major, and the op is right that they probably shouldn't be, but we don't know yet - FFA hasn't said boo (in fact, they haven't said much at all).

2. Then we've got the availability of grounds. It's common knowledge that the FFA is scratching around for its venues. It is seeking both the MCG and Etihad, and if they got them, they'd be out for 10 weeks (although that number keeps going up and up). That's before we even consider the rectangularisation of the MCG, which would put the MCG out of action for pretty much the whole season.

Without the MCG and Etihad, the FFA have a pretty crap bid, certianly crappier than what they have now (which is bad enough).

But it's obvious that if we haven't got the MCG for most of the season, and Etihad for half of it (not to mention Carrara, and grounds in Perth and Adelaide) - well, folks, that's pretty much a ruined season - that's big time financial losses - stretching out for years and years.

For mine, the AFL must look after the interests of its clubs and say no to the MCG and Etihad, and play its normal season.

 

[Barkly St End]

Four weeks without the MCG. WHOA.

If the AFL can't survive four weeks without one stadium, it doesn't deserve to survive.

If the FFA can't put a bid together without its own stadiums - it doesn't deserve the WC.

 

[Dimenhydrinate]

If the FFA can't put a bid together without its own stadiums - it doesn't deserve the WC.

And so the plot continues to unravel.

I look forward to your commentary on the 2042 bid, which will be complete with soccer-specific, privately-funded stadia.

"What? The FFA expect Australia to give up hotels to house visitors and players, and water to maintain pitches? Get ****ed! The FFA should supply their own!"

And I bet it's killing you that soccer finally gets it own ground in Melbourne; you would have been hoping that the AFL hijack this one too, like they did with Docklands.

 

[mickctiger]

And so the plot continues to unravel.

I look forward to your commentary on the 2042 bid, which will be complete with soccer-specific, privately-funded stadia.

"What? The FFA expect Australia to give up hotels to house visitors and players, and water to maintain pitches? Get ****ed! The FFA should supply their own!"

And I bet it's killing you that soccer finally gets it own ground in Melbourne; you would have been hoping that the AFL hijack this one too, like they did with Docklands.

not really, not all of us are that conceited, are you ?

 

[bzparkes]

I look forward to your commentary on the 2042 bid, which will be complete with soccer-specific, privately-funded stadia.

"What? The FFA expect Australia to give up hotels to house visitors and players, and water to maintain pitches? Get ****ed! The FFA should supply their own!"

I'm sure that noone on this forum would have a problem if the FFA were actually able to provide their own stadiums for the bid. It then wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

And I bet it's killing you that soccer finally gets it own ground in Melbourne; you would have been hoping that the AFL hijack this one too, like they did with Docklands.

Wasn't Docklands designed to be AFL specific with the view of the AFL owning it sometime in the next 15-20 years?

 

[mighty tiges]

The AFL and NRL don't need to stop. That's a lie spread by those organisations, their supporters and the biased media.

So you're saying the FFA doesn't require Etihad stadium for the bid (satisfying the AFL) and will pay the $150m for the upgrade of the new rectangular stadium to seat 40-45k required for the WC. Oh the upgrade will also put the rectangular stadium out of action for a couple of years either side of the WC which will affect the Victory and moreso the Storm and new Super15 rugby side. Yep it's all a conspiracy against Soccer rather than the FFA's own incompetence in being so far up themselves to not sort this stadia issue all out before the bidding started .

 

[Dimenhydrinate]

So you're saying the FFA doesn't require Etihad stadium for the bid (satisfying the AFL) and will pay the $150m for the upgrade of the new rectangular stadium to seat 40-45k required for the WC. Oh the upgrade will also put the rectangular stadium out of action for a couple of years either side of the WC which will affect the Victory and moreso the Storm and new Super15 rugby side. Yep it's all a conspiracy against Soccer rather than the FFA's own incompetence in being so far up themselves to not sort this stadia issue all out before the bidding started .

Melbourne will only use one stadium. Problem solved.

 

[mighty tiges]

Melbourne will only use one stadium. Problem solved.

Except the MCG and Etihad are both included in the bid. A WC bid requires 12 stadia of over 40k capacity.

 

[madmug]

And so the plot continues to unravel.

I look forward to your commentary on the 2042 bid, which will be complete with soccer-specific, privately-funded stadia.

And I bet it's killing you that soccer finally gets it own ground in Melbourne; you would have been hoping that the AFL hijack this one too, like they did with Docklands.

1) 2042? Private what? More pink oboe music (stop it or you will go blind),
2) Soccer can't support its own stadiums, too many games with stuff all customers. The AFL can because it has popular support.

 

[speedpeck23]

Great post Greatwhiteshark..... AFL have already offered the MCG...what's the real problem. NRL could organize a compromise on venues. It would be fantastic to have the WC and AFL, Super Rugby and NRL running concurrently in 2022.....great for all codes.

With a well structured fixture the AFL etc could expect to get a stack of OS Soccer fans go to some AFL / NRL games and FIFA would probably see the best WC ever with so many different codes all playing at the same time...the ultimate "Festival of FOOTY..."......could be bigger than the World Cup itself! In fact bring over some NFL teams from the US and Gaelic teams from Ireland. Incredible.... the Ultimate Football World Cup!!!! PS I am serious.

 

[Zidane98]

If the FFA can't put a bid together without its own stadiums - it doesn't deserve the WC.

Of all the ridiculous statements on this forum, this one takes the cake. Its about as smart as the AFL doesn't deserve to run its own season as it doesn't have its own stadiums - plainly ludicrous.

In regards to stadium availability, the FFA have stated that any stadium will be unavailable for a maximum of 8 weeks, and 6 weeks only, if not hosting any elimination matches. Don't believe delusional posts from die hard sokkah haters such as the one I have just quoted.

 

[Barkly St End]

Of all the ridiculous statements on this forum, this one takes the cake. Its about as smart as the AFL doesn't deserve to run its own season as it doesn't have its own stadiums - plainly ludicrous.

Mate - the AFL enters long term contracts to have grounds for its competition.

The FFA has to do the same.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Of all the ridiculous statements on this forum, this one takes the cake. Its about as smart as the AFL doesn't deserve to run its own season as it doesn't have its own stadiums - plainly ludicrous.

In regards to stadium availability, the FFA have stated that any stadium will be unavailable for a maximum of 8 weeks, and 6 weeks only, if not hosting any elimination matches. Don't believe delusional posts from die hard sokkah haters such as the one I have just quoted.

It is quite true if you change the wording slightly from own to control or lease. The simple fact of the matter is that FFA or A-League clubs are too small and too weak to be the prime tennant at any stadium which they want to include in the bid. They can only host the World cup by getting the usual tennants to stand aside while the WC is on. To stand aside like that in the middle of the season will cause economic loss to those codes regardless of whether it is 6 weeks or 10 weeks. It is quite a simple concept.

 

[Zidane98]

Mate - the AFL enters long term contracts to have grounds for its competition.

The FFA has to do the same.

I am sure the MCC will give the AFL adequate notice that the ground will need to be vacated for 8 weeks in 2022. Just as what happened in 1991. Get over it mate - all of the stadium operators have signed an agreement with the state and federal governments. We all know your paranoia of soccer. I am telling you that it is unfounded.

 

[cos789]

It is quite true if you change the wording slightly from own to control or lease. The simple fact of the matter is that FFA or A-League clubs are too small and too weak to be the prime tennant at any stadium which they want to include in the bid. They can only host the World cup by getting the usual tennants to stand aside while the WC is on. To stand aside like that in the middle of the season will cause economic loss to those codes regardless of whether it is 6 weeks or 10 weeks. It is quite a simple concept.

In simple terms it means soccer is not big enough to have it's own infrastructure in Australia as it is blessed in other parts of the world so it has to somehow acquire that from other parties . unfortunately this supposed cash cow is not willing to contribute anything up front and it is left up to the government to do all the dirty work .

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[magpie_militia]

I am sure the MCC will give the AFL adequate notice that the ground will need to be vacated for 8 weeks in 2022. Just as what happened in 1991.

Terrible comparison. A rival code wishing to play at the ground is not the same as a stadium upgrade!!

Face it, the AFL have a long-term contract to play there. FFA will have to provide huge compensation if they want it. Or maybe they could go and find another stadium that they don't own or occupy?

Either way, I don't think it matters. The bid is an absolute joke and we will be lucky to even have it taken seriously, let alone winning.

 

[Zidane98]

In simple terms it means soccer is not big enough to have it's own infrastructure in Australia as it is blessed in other parts of the world so it has to somehow acquire that from other parties . unfortunately this supposed cash cow is not willing to contribute anything up front and it is left up to the government to do all the dirty work .

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My my, how wrong you are:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/119436,mariners-from-tokyo-to-tuggerah.aspx

Melbourne Demons and Collingwood will both have administration centres both funded by the state government. Why don't we see any AFL clubs building their own world class training centres?

Your first point is ridiculous though. AFL has been around for what, 20 years now and they still don't have their own stadiums? Real great management their. Compared to the EPL, nearly every club owns its own stadium (every club if im not mistaken). What a joke for a supposedly elite competition.

 

[cos789]

What a joke for a supposedly elite competition.

We talking AL aren't we .

Give it rest . You really think that attacking the AFL with some lackless logic is going to benefit your case ?

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[Zidane98]

Terrible comparison. A rival code wishing to play at the ground is not the same as a stadium upgrade!!

Face it, the AFL have a long-term contract to play there. FFA will have to provide huge compensation if they want it. Or maybe they could go and find another stadium that they don't own or occupy?

Either way, I don't think it matters. The bid is an absolute joke and we will be lucky to even have it taken seriously, let alone winning.

Are you just thick, plain or stupid? The MCC will do as it pleases. If the AFL gets inconvenienced by the World Cup, they will simply offer the AFL a hugely improved deal for the remainder of their lease. Do you seriously think that the AFL is going to stop the MCC from using their own stadium as they please?

May I add, these sort of stupid rants are found only by a die hard few on forums such as these. If AD is smart, and I am sure he is a very smart CEO, he will be demanding that the MCC gives his clubs a vastly improved deal out of the 2022 world cup. Thats about the extent of any financial benefit the AFL will get.

 

[Admiral Byng]

My my, how wrong you are:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/119436,mariners-from-tokyo-to-tuggerah.aspx

Melbourne Demons and Collingwood will both have administration centres both funded by the state government. Why don't we see any AFL clubs building their own world class training centres?

Your first point is ridiculous though. AFL has been around for what, 20 years now and they still don't have their own stadiums? Real great management their. Compared to the EPL, nearly every club owns its own stadium (every club if im not mistaken). What a joke for a supposedly elite competition.

This is exactly why we shouldn't be bidding, soccer in Australia is not in this position. The FA in the UK are in a position to put in a strong bid, exactly for this reason - they have the stadiums already built, and they are available at the right time. We don't. We haven't got enough stadiums, and what stadiums we have are occupied at that time. Your comparison only undermines the argument for Australia putting in a bid.

 

[magpie_militia]

Are you just thick, plain or stupid? The MCC will do as it pleases. If the AFL gets inconvenienced by the World Cup, they will simply offer the AFL a hugely improved deal for the remainder of their lease. Do you seriously think that the AFL is going to stop the MCC from using their own stadium as they please?

No need to get personal, it is just my opinion. To help you though, the phrase is "Are you thick or just plain stupid?".

If that is the case, what is the point of even having a contract?

Even though your delusional ranting is humerous, I will feel slightly sorry for you when we don't win either of the 2018/22 world cups.

However, in true BigFooty fashion, I will make sure to bump this thread for you