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No point, you clearly don't know enough about the topic to engage in meaningful conversation over it.nice come back. nothing to add?
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No point, you clearly don't know enough about the topic to engage in meaningful conversation over it.nice come back. nothing to add?
No point, you clearly don't know enough about the topic to engage in meaningful conversation over it.
I mentioned this the other day, but Power Raid seems to work on the same notion as Nigerian scam emails. To anyone who knows anything about an issue he is talking complete shite and so they soon learn to ignore him. In the past, I assumed he posted drunk. To people who don't know anything, tho, he uses random buzzwords to try and sound informed, while whacking in confusing editing and typos that mean no-one actually can discern what he's saying.I really don't think you know what you are talking about. You know quite a few buzzwords but to paraphrase Paul Keating, you're all tip but no iceberg.
yep. Anyway I have probably engaged on this issue more than I should have.I mentioned this the other day, but Power Raid seems to work on the same notion as Nigerian scam emails. To anyone who knows anything about an issue he is talking complete shite and so they soon learn to ignore him. In the past, I assumed he posted drunk. To people who don't know anything, tho, he uses random buzzwords to try and sound informed, while whacking in confusing editing and typos that mean no-one actually can discern what he's saying.
I'm guessing the intention is to fool less-educated people into thinking he knows what he is talking about and therefore his usual summary of a complaint ("criminal" unions, "one size fits all" carbon tax, etc) will make them think that ultimately the ALP is the problem.
definitely part of the wider issue, I believe UK and US have enacted anti-dumping.The story is that China has built 'too much' Steel so are selling it on the cheap everywhere. They also make inferior steel quite often and people should really be checking the quality, but just like regular consumers it seems some builders will just take whatever's cheap.
The story is that China has built 'too much' Steel so are selling it on the cheap everywhere. They also make inferior steel quite often and people should really be checking the quality, but just like regular consumers it seems some builders will just take whatever's cheap.
lol
SA has a power price problem. SA has an IR problem and union problem.
SA has an unemployment problem.
but there's no connection!
Recent Vic government projects have clauses in the contracts to use only Australian steel. Can make some structures difficult as not everything is manufactured here, but good for the industry overall.
Chinese steel isn't as bad as it used to be, but still not to the same levels of quality control.
Its a shame governments do not adhere to the spirit of their own legislation, where the racial discrimination act specifically says you can't discriminate based on nation of origin.
How good is it that China chooses to use australian stone as pavers and Adelaide chose Chinese stone as pavers? Isn't it much better when we overlook what race or where people come from when engaging in all facets of life including business? denying foreigners the right to work, the right to participate in business and the global economy is a little 1950s thinking.
So yes, chose a product based on quality but do not mandate racism in business.
I'm confused by the public reaction to this topic.
If its Electrolux, Holden, Ford, Levis (i.e consumer products) then the attitude is "free trade, we want cheaper, can't prop up a failing business etc". But when its an item that doesn't directly effect the consumer hip pocket the attitude is very different and a more "protective attitude" comes up.
The government didn't specify that all gov vehicles need to be made in AUS. Why should they need to specify that steel produced here (by some seriously overpaid operators) be used?
I'm confused by the public reaction to this topic.
If its Electrolux, Holden, Ford, Levis (i.e consumer products) then the attitude is "free trade, we want cheaper, can't prop up a failing business etc". But when its an item that doesn't directly effect the consumer hip pocket the attitude is very different and a more "protective attitude" comes up.
The government didn't specify that all gov vehicles need to be made in AUS. Why should they need to specify that steel produced here (by some seriously overpaid operators) be used?
Its a shame governments do not adhere to the spirit of their own legislation, where the racial discrimination act specifically says you can't discriminate based on nation of origin.
How good is it that China chooses to use australian stone as pavers and Adelaide chose Chinese stone as pavers? Isn't it much better when we overlook what race or where people come from when engaging in all facets of life including business? denying foreigners the right to work, the right to participate in business and the global economy is a little 1950s thinking.
So yes, chose a product based on quality but do not mandate racism in business.
So using your logic, Chinese people should all have the right to live and work in Australia too? It would be racist to discriminate against that after all. Damned big government and its boarder controls.
I am all for moving toward open borders and expect this to be the case within 60 years.
To make this practice we need to lift our legal framework to a global body and continue to open trade to reduce the wealth gap.
Its pretty stupid. in fact the whole lot of your are stupid.
The resources needed to make steel are just up the ****en road, in quantities probably bigger than anywhere in the world, like a few hundred kilometers up the road. There's adequate rail and a really good road.
No campaigner has access to resources like this and thus could not ship steel here cheaper and easier than if built at Whyalla.
There's something really ****en fishy if they can. And if they save a few dollars a ton, it costs this country so much more sending our business overseas and feeding overseas workers families instead of our own.
I appreciate the politenessI politely disagree.
The issue is that in all of the examples you have listed above( holden etc) it was clearly evident that what they were putting out was of less quality and costing more/equal to the foreign imports.
In Australian steel's case its of a higher quality than its foreign counterparts and that feedback disseminates through Australian society. Ergo The issue we have now.
I appreciate the politeness
The loss of jobs in the auto industry in AUS is 8 times the size of the population of Whyalla......
The auto industry closure is not related to quality. The auto industry is backed by the local government in EVERY producing country. Either by import duty, minimum local content requirement, number of brand restrictions etc. Holden/Ford/Toyota can sell the same number of cars in Aus and have the commercial advantage paid by the country that produces them. Profit per car sold in AUS for the 3 companies will increase after 2017. They make money building cars here. They will make more building them elsewhere. There is a reason why most other countries in the world beg and plead for an auto industry. And its not the monetary situation.
It doesn't matter if the Aus steel is of a higher "perceived" quality. The cost and/or delivery issues result in it costing more/equal to the foreign import.
My point was that the public want the government to stipulate using a more expensive material in order to protect a local industry (both in this case and in the case of Subs / Destroyers). But they did not want to do this with the auto industry (which employs plenty more than Arium/subcorp combined)