Will Bowden Play?

[duckboy]

Let me clarify a couple of points before I give you my $0.02. Firstly yes I play supercoach and yes I selected Bowden on my team, he is currently warming bench with N.J.Brown stepping into the 22. Secondly yes I know the Eagles are struggling and we have a few rookies and no name players currently playing in the side.

Ok. Well **** me sideways if Bowden isn't in your best 18 let alone your best 22. I'm sure most of you watched the game on the weekend. Fremantle played like a large steaming pile of monkey poo. Your Coburg Tigers would have probably beaten them.

I've watched a few Richmond games this year, including the game against Collingwood. Bowden is not suited to play on Medhurst. Medhurst requires a close checking defender who will lock him down. Bowden likes to play loose and wide and loves running off his man. In another game TW had him playing as a tagger in midfield. WTF? Bowden has been one of the champions of your club for a long period of time. Sure good players need to perform to keep their spot and need a kick up the bum but they should be given more of a chance to prove thmselves. Look at Gilbee from the Doggies. Been in poor form but the club stands by him and he is running back into some form. Same deal with BJ. The guy has been useless but there is no way in hell Eade would drop BJ to the 2s.

Btw why wasn't Nathan Brown dropped prior to last week? He has been doing sweet **** all prior to last week and IMO has been more useless than Bowden.

Dropping Bowden for a week may or may not have been a good idea. However he has gone back, played a good game and should be included in the side. If any of you believe that Bowden isn't better than most of the 22 players you had on the park then you're dellusional.

Good post. I agree with most of what you're saying. Not sure how some posters on here think they "know" about attitudes around a club, for good or bad. I thought match-ups killed him in the first couple weeks too. As a half forward in Rnd one and then as a run-with type were terrible decisions. And the Medhurst match-up was terrible, especially considering Joel's excellent record on Rocca.

BTW dude, what is with the shit about he was tried further up the field this year but it didnt work? Which one didnt it work in?
Natural defender? Bwahaaahaaa, Bowden is one of the most unaccountable defenders to play footy. What have you been watching?

I'm also completely convinced that Cogga Rules has not watched us play for about five years. As mentioned above. Bowden started the first two games at HF and mid respectively, with disastrous results, then performed well when switched back in the second half of both of those games.

As for the unaccountable defender comment, mate, you're an idiot. He was dual AA for more than just getting 30 touches a week. During Gas's knee injury and recovery he was consistently taking the opposition's number one forward and still providing rebound and controlling our back half. He consistently kept "gun" forwards including Lloyd, Rocca, Johnson and Lynch to very moderate possession and goal tallies.

 

[CoggaRules]

I'm also completely convinced that Cogga Rules has not watched us play for about five years. As mentioned above. Bowden started the first two games at HF and mid respectively, with disastrous results, then performed well when switched back in the second half of both of those games.

As for the unaccountable defender comment, mate, you're an idiot. He was dual AA for more than just getting 30 touches a week. During Gas's knee injury and recovery he was consistently taking the opposition's number one forward and still providing rebound and controlling our back half. He consistently kept "gun" forwards including Lloyd, Rocca, Johnson and Lynch to very moderate possession and goal tallies.

naaa stupid...i have seen him play for the last 5 years, i have seen him play for all his career, which i am tipping you havent. And IMO he is a more damaging player to the opposition in the FL. During Gas's injury etc we were shit and he was an integral part of that shit. He was there for want of someone being there. Consistenlty keeping forwards in Rocca etc to what?
He was given a mission against the pies. A mediocre player who posed no problems to teams in the past and as your so called, "AA" defender he failed dismally. You are bagging the coaching panel for putting their faith in a so called AA defender to keep a muppet like Medhurst quiet...FFS, you have NFI dont you?

 

[sante]

Bowden should play. His career was resurrected after being dropped a few years back.

I reckon McGuane will be dropped. That to be the only change IMO.

 

[duckboy]

naaa stupid...i have seen him play for the last 5 years, i have seen him play for all his career, which i am tipping you havent. And IMO he is a more damaging player to the opposition in the FL. During Gas's injury etc we were shit and he was an integral part of that shit. He was there . Consistenlty keeping forwards in Rocca etc to what?
He was given a mission against the pies. A mediocre player who posed no problems to teams in the past and as your so called, "AA" defender he failed dismally. You are bagging the coaching panel for putting their faith in a so called AA defender to keep a muppet like Medhurst quiet...FFS, you have NFI dont you?

I just want you to give me some examples of when this has ever actually happened CR? And guys don't make AA twice for want of someone being there.

 

[CoggaRules]

I just want you to give me some examples of when this has ever actually happened CR? And guys don't make AA twice for want of someone being there.

man me thinks you need to stick to the kids playground. The deal is this, his size is hard to match up on when he is in the FL. He can kick bombs from 50. He has the smarts for a slick give, he might have made AA in the back line, but to the tigers it meant shit. Wasted talent who is another to suffer at the hands of the spuds "ingenious" coaching nous. And seeing as it took TW how long? to work out that he had a ____ing machine that could prowl the whole ground and pick the ball out of the air, with Richo, i am thinjing that TW is as slow as spud at seeing what ____ing blind freddy can.

He will end up like Campbell. do you remember him? when he retired there was all this hoohaa by tiger heads about him in the way you are hoohaaing about Bowden. 300 game captain, B&F stalwart, you name it they were screamiong it. But in the end he was just a blimp on the radar of history, that says he was there when we were shit .

 

[duckboy]

man me thinks you need to stick to the kids playground. The deal is this, his size is hard to match up on when he is in the FL. He can kick bombs from 50. He has the smarts for a slick give, he might have made AA in the back line, but to the tigers it meant shit. Wasted talent who is another to suffer at the hands of the spuds "ingenious" coaching nous. And seeing as it took TW how long? to work out that he had a ____ing machine that could prowl the whole ground and pick the ball out of the air, with Richo, i am thinjing that TW is as slow as spud at seeing what ____ing blind freddy can.

He will end up like Campbell. do you remember him? when he retired there was all this hoohaa by tiger heads about him in the way you are hoohaaing about Bowden. 300 game captain, B&F stalwart, you name it they were screamiong it. But in the end he was just a blimp on the radar of history, that says he was there when we were shit .

Rather than jumping in to a personal attack CR, answer the question! When have you ever seen Bowden play forward and do the things you list above? I never have. And which guy do you want to make way from the forward line? Brown? Morton? Polak? Richo?

And by your reckoning that Bowdens AA's and B&F's meant shit because we were crap, you must also think Bob Skilton was a skirt, Robbie Flower was a hack and Trevor Barker was a pansy. FFS, its not his fault the team was useless.

 

[CoggaRules]

Rather than jumping in to a personal attack CR, answer the question! When have you ever seen Bowden play forward and do the things you list above? I never have. And which guy do you want to make way from the forward line? Brown? Morton? Polak? Richo?

And by your reckoning that Bowdens AA's and B&F's meant shit because we were crap, you must also think Bob Skilton was a skirt, Robbie Flower was a hack and Trevor Barker was a pansy. FFS, its not his fault the team was useless.

the first part of his career was spent as a HF. This is where he MADE HIS NAME to those who dont look at AAs and B&Fs as the only things that make your name. FFS dude. by your thinking ____ing teasdale was a legend then. Go ask Sheeds about that. So you have only watched the tiges for the last 5 years huh? You can tell, your poor bastard.

 

[duckboy]

the first part of his career was spent as a HF. This is where he MADE HIS NAME to those who dont look at AAs and B&Fs as the only things that make your name. FFS dude. by your thinking ____ing teasdale was a legend then. Go ask Sheeds about that. So you have only watched the tiges for the last 5 years huh? You can tell, your poor bastard.

Read back a few posts Cogga. Me and just about everybody else recall his time as a wingman/half forward as being crap. Unfulfilled talent, wasting the footy etc etc. Point out some good game he had... Please?

 

[CoggaRules]

Read back a few posts Cogga. Me and just about everybody else recall his time as a wingman/half forward as being crap. Unfulfilled talent, wasting the footy etc etc. Point out some good game he had... Please?

dude, i dont give a sht about the unfulfilled talent. I give a shit about where i reckon he would have been more of a weapon for us against the enemy. ie getting 4 points for the team and not saving a coaches ____ing career.
do you know what a weapon does? it kills the enemy off. It doesnt set up attempts to maybe keep up with it. Now piss off and go play in the kiddy's pool, you have NFI.

 

[duckboy]

dude, i dont give a sht about the unfulfilled talent. I give a shit about where i reckon he would have been more of a weapon for us against the enemy. ie getting 4 points for the team and not saving a coaches ____ing career.
do you know what a weapon does? it kills the enemy off. It doesnt set up attempts to maybe keep up with it. Now piss off and go play in the kiddy's pool, you have NFI.

Mate, I can't believe what you're on about. You reckon that Bowden could've turned the fortunes of our pathetic list around over the past 5-10 years by playing as a forward?
As for weapons, Bowden has consistently been one, pioneered the role of a defensive quarterback, now employed by most teams in the league. Despite how shit we've been over the past three years, we've lead the league in scores from rebound 50s and scores directly from kick-ins. That, ________, is a weapon. Its not Bowdens fault our midfield's been smashed and therefore we lose more than we win."Ooh but he doesn't kick goals" - Your assessment of football is laughable. You couldn't coach under 10's.

 

[duckboy]

BTW, I'm lookin' for a laugh Cgga, please tell me again how Bowden is like Ryan O'Keefe. I really like that one.

 

[Rayzorwire]

132 goals in 149 games as a wingman/half forward Cogga.

Only scored over 20 goals in a season twice in that time (21 and 26 goals - the latter in a 25 game season), which one of those had you so convinced he was a gun forward?

 

[FlyingTiger]

Time to move on.

 

[Spartan]

Just one comment I've noticed between the posts from CoggaRules and duckboy. I haven't seen Bowden play over the length of career so I can't add anything in that aspect.

However I noticed that CoggaRules keeps referring to the Tigers and Bowden as 'your' team and 'your' player. That either makes you a troll or someone who is not embracing 'your' team.

I hope Bowden plays. My SC team needs him to step up.

 

[CoggaRules]

Just one comment I've noticed between the posts from CoggaRules and duckboy. I haven't seen Bowden play over the length of career so I can't add anything in that aspect.

However I noticed that CoggaRules keeps referring to the Tigers and Bowden as 'your' team and 'your' player. That either makes you a troll or someone who is not embracing 'your' team.

I hope Bowden plays. My SC team needs him to step up.

yeah ________ you should become a detective seeing as you have found me out, when others have thought that i am a tiger for the last 4 yearrs that i have been on this board, dip stick. Now piss off and go and play super coach and count numbers fool. Man its true, there seems to be a lack of brain cells in muppets emanating out of the west.

 

[Spartan]

yeah ________ you should become a detective seeing as you have found me out, when others have thought that i am a tiger for the last 4 yearrs that i have been on this board, dip stick. Now piss off and go and play super coach and count numbers fool. Man its true, there seems to be a lack of brain cells in muppets emanating out of the west.

I simply made the comment that you were referring to the team and players as 'your' insted of 'mine' or 'our'. Anyone can support a team.

Its dissapointing to see that you have to resort to personal attacks to try and get your point across. Keyboard warriors on the internet.

 

[CoggaRules]

I simply made the comment that you were referring to the team and players as 'your' insted of 'mine' or 'our'. Anyone can support a team.

Its dissapointing to see that you have to resort to personal attacks to try and get your point across. Keyboard warriors on the internet.

its also dissapointing when posters who are worrying about their supercoach team, come in to debates about "OUR" team, because they are worried about "THEIR" team, hence offering JS to it.

 

[_RT_]

Word has it that JB is almost certain of missing out this week. However the source of this info is SEN and we all know how reliable they are with their info.

 

[Spartan]

its also dissapointing when posters who are worrying about their supercoach team, come in to debates about "OUR" team, because they are worried about "THEIR" team, hence offering JS to it.

Ah but you didn't take offence to the fact that I gave my opinion, you took offence at my comment that you didn't refer to Richmond as 'your' team.

Anyway I'm not getting into a pissing match about who has the larger cyber dick.

I just hope Bowden plays this week.

 

[Greggy]

In 2001 Bowden kicked a career high 26 goals for the year and we made the finals. I know it's a long bow to draw but if he was left up forward he would have improved on that in my opinion in future years. He was in his prime around that time, with 31 touches, 12 marks and 3.2 goals to his name against Melbourne. If he has lost confidence get him out of defence and see what he can provide up forward. I'd like to see how he goes.

 

[CoggaRules]

In 2001 Bowden kicked a career high 26 goals for the year and we made the finals. I know it's a long bow to draw but if he was left up forward he would have improved on that in my opinion in future years. He was in his prime around that time, with 31 touches, 12 marks and 3.2 goals to his name against Melbourne. If he has lost confidence get him out of defence and see what he can provide up forward. I'd like to see how he goes.

and in an inspired move, Spud then went out and got Hudson and Hoolahoop to increase the goal return, and moved Bowden to the defence and we just kicked arse after that. I mean, yes Bowden got the awards etc, but yes also, we went backwards and so did the ____ing ball in games after that.

 

[Rayzorwire]

In 2001 Bowden kicked a career high 26 goals for the year and we made the finals. I know it's a long bow to draw but if he was left up forward he would have improved on that in my opinion in future years. He was in his prime around that time, with 31 touches, 12 marks and 3.2 goals to his name against Melbourne. If he has lost confidence get him out of defence and see what he can provide up forward. I'd like to see how he goes.

I wouldn't 2007, we've seen it before. He played 25 games for his 26 goals in 2001 - in a better side than we currently have. He also kicked 22 points, gave away a lot of stupid free kicks (5 in the sem-final against Carlton), and turned the ball over a lot. No doubt he did some very good things too, not denying that, but we wasn't this offensive weapon some are making him out to be. Let's not forget Tivendale kicked 21 goals in 2001 playing a similar role.

The biggest reason Pettifer and Bowden are out of the side ATM is because we can't play them and Brown in the one forward line. Doing so gives a free pass to the opposition to run the ball out of defense under zero pressure because all three simply can't chase well. The Dogs and Hawthorn the week after are two sides there's no way we can afford for that to happen against.

Guys like White and Edwards have nowhere near the class of Pettifer and Bowden in terms of scoring potential and doing the 'special' things, but they do chase and harrass all day. ATM that is more important for us.

 

[Sausage roll]

I wouldn't 2007, we've seen it before. He played 25 games for his 26 goals in 2001 - in a better side than we currently have. He also kicked 22 points, gave away a lot of stupid free kicks (5 in the sem-final against Carlton), and turned the ball over a lot. No doubt he did some very good things too, not denying that, but we wasn't this offensive weapon some are making him out to be. Let's not forget Tivendale kicked 21 goals in 2001 playing a similar role.

The biggest reason Pettifer and Bowden are out of the side ATM is because we can't play them and Brown in the one forward line. Doing so gives a free pass to the opposition to run the ball out of defense under zero pressure because all three simply can't chase well. The Dogs and Hawthorn the week after are two sides there's no way we can afford for that to happen against.


Guys like White and Edwards have nowhere near the class of Pettifer and Bowden in terms of scoring potential and doing the 'special' things, but they do chase and harrass all day. ATM that is more important for us.

Interesting to note that I was getting criticised by you for saying we needed qiucker, smaller plaeyrs in our forward line. I lamented our giant forward set up and how easily the ball was coming out. You spent hours and hours shooting it down .

Now you are advocating it.

LMFAO

 

[TonyFree]

I wouldn't 2007, we've seen it before. He played 25 games for his 26 goals in 2001 - in a better side than we currently have. He also kicked 22 points, gave away a lot of stupid free kicks (5 in the sem-final against Carlton), and turned the ball over a lot. No doubt he did some very good things too, not denying that, but we wasn't this offensive weapon some are making him out to be. Let's not forget Tivendale kicked 21 goals in 2001 playing a similar role.

The biggest reason Pettifer and Bowden are out of the side ATM is because we can't play them and Brown in the one forward line. Doing so gives a free pass to the opposition to run the ball out of defense under zero pressure because all three simply can't chase well. The Dogs and Hawthorn the week after are two sides there's no way we can afford for that to happen against.

Guys like White and Edwards have nowhere near the class of Pettifer and Bowden in terms of scoring potential and doing the 'special' things, but they do chase and harrass all day. ATM that is more important for us.

Rayzor, I am suprised that you think Pettifer for example has more class than Edwards.