Will Buddy kick 1000?

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Since 2008, I think he is averaging around 3.7, 3.8ish goals a game ( someone correct me if I'm wrong ), and he doesn't really play full forward. He is more of a CHF/HFF. If he can keep up that, or perhaps move back to the goal square in his twilight years, he would be even money to kick 1000 by 31-32ish barring no serious injury.
His career average is 3.2 and his career average games per year is 19. I could see him averaging 3.7 - 4 for the next 4 years (25 to 28 is usually a big forwards prime). I could also see his game average going down a bit as he becomes more susceptible to soft tissue injuries as the big forwards are prone to.

But say he avarages 4 at 19 games per annum that would be about 75 per year. he will need to do that for 6.5 years. I think that will be a stretch.

My guess is around the 900 - 950 mark.
 

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He's top 10 in the comp contested marks and has taken more than your boy. Not really that interesting, just didn't wanna embarrass ya.
Who the hell is my boy?

contested but how many were overhead pack marks- way to miss my point.
He has great athletic ability and a great knack for the game.
Anyway i did say maybe to the original question. Don't know why you brin other players into this thread.
 

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He certainly has the ability too, plus he's still only 25 with a solid 6 or 7 years left in him perhaps more. However with the professional structures of modern football it will be difficult especially since there is such emphasis on spreading the load to multiple goal kickers these days. For a start he'll need to improve his conversion as well.
 

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Yeah, with his body type and athleticism, and the fact that he doesn't seem to be injury prone, you could see him changing his role later in his career as he slows down, and still being able to kick bags.

As he gets older, and the Hawks slide down the ladder a bit, the goals might be slightly harder to come by, but he'll most certainly still be an effective player as he ages. If you assume Hawthorn are up and about for 4 more seasons, and assume he averages 80 goals a season while he's in his prime and Hawthorn are a good side, that gives you ~820 goals when he's 29. Assume he can then play for the next few seasons averaging 60 goals and he'll get there.

Any injury or anything will set him back, but even then if he plays until he's 33 or 34 which wouldn't be abnormal at all, he'll get there.
 

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I hope so because it means that we get to watch him play footy with out having serious injuries which could either shorten his career or limit his out put.

At a similar stage in their careers you probably would have thought Lloyd would have got there but he was never the same player after tearing his hamstring off the bone. It would be a shame for football if something similar happened to buddy.
 

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1000 goals is a ridiculous mark, especially in modern football. I think he'll certainly get close. Assuming Hawthorn are up the top for the next few seasons, you'd expect another 3 or 4 seasons of 80 odd goals.

He'll probably have to play until he's 33 or 34 but that's hardly a big deal
Not many players play to 33 - 34 nowdays though. More and more we are seeing players retire around 30 to 31 years of age. Corey is 30 for instance and was relatively injury free; I would have said a couple of years ago he could have played until 35, now I'll be surprised if he lasts another full season.
 

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Not without a chance but I think he would fall around 100 short. He will need the team to be a top 6 team for the rest of his career and there is very little chance of that.
 

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I reckon he will finish on at least 950+. As long as he doesn't get injured and the Hawks stay prominent in the next 5-7 years, he's a real chance of the 1000 mark.
 

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At a guess, the balance of his career could go something like this:

2012: 30 goals (in addition to 51 currently)
2013: 90
2014: 80
2015: 50 (injury)
2016: 70
2017: 60
2018: 50
2019: 40
2020: 40 (retires at 33)
Career total: 1,010 goals

It appears to be quite possible.
 

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At a guess, the balance of his career could go something like this:

2012: 30 goals (in addition to 51 currently)
2013: 90
2014: 80
2015: 50 (injury)
2016: 70
2017: 60
2018: 50
2019: 40
2020: 40 (retires at 33)
Career total: 1,010 goals

It appears to be quite possible.
That seems reasonable but longevity will be the key. At the end of 2020 he will be far closer to 34 than 33. If you look at retirement ages of players like Mooney (31), Lucas (30). Brown and Reiwoldt would each need to play another 4 years to make 33/34 and can't see that with either.

Barry Hall is about the only big forward to make it to 34 in the last few years and let's face it, Barry did not do anywhere near the running that a Buddy or Reiwoldt would do.

Your numbers seem doable on a per year basis, Just can Buddy play another 8 years?
 

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That seems reasonable but longevity will be the key. At the end of 2020 he will be far closer to 34 than 33. If you look at retirement ages of players like Mooney (31), Lucas (30). Brown and Reiwoldt would each need to play another 4 years to make 33/34 and can't see that with either.

Barry Hall is about the only big forward to make it to 34 in the last few years and let's face it, Barry did not do anywhere near the running that a Buddy or Reiwoldt would do.

Your numbers seem doable on a per year basis, Just can Buddy play another 8 years?
Gary Ablett Snr was a player who relied on athletic ability like speed and evasiveness, but he was also a top 3 aerialist in the game. Franklin isn't in the top 10 aerialists currently playing, and unless he improves his marking, it will be harder for him to play just out of the goalsquare in the latter stages of his career. Although he might prove me wrong and do a Matthew Richardson and not lose athletic ability past 30 years of age, I dont know.
 

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At a guess, the balance of his career could go something like this:

2012: 30 goals (in addition to 51 currently)
2013: 90
2014: 80
2015: 50 (injury)
2016: 70
2017: 60
2018: 50
2019: 40
2020: 40 (retires at 33)
Career total: 1,010 goals

It appears to be quite possible.
This seems pretty doable.

Longevity is the key
 

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Depends when his freak athleticism goes. With talls it tends to go a bit earlier. Once that starts to fade and diminish I think his output will too. Basically plays as the tallest small forward in history and gets a large majority of his goals through burning off similar sized opponents and getting out the back to run on to goal or crumbing off the deck and turning around his opponent. Nothing wrong with that too, it's very effective.
 

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At a guess, the balance of his career could go something like this:

2012: 30 goals (in addition to 51 currently)
2013: 90
2014: 80
2015: 50 (injury)
2016: 70
2017: 60
2018: 50
2019: 40
2020: 40 (retires at 33)
Career total: 1,010 goals

It appears to be quite possible.
846 goals so far, so you're tracking is pretty good. Might have another 20 goals in him this season.

I think he'll kick the 1000. Also think he'll play past 2020.
 

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He's kicked 846.610 in his career so far. For reference Plugger kicked 590 behinds and Dunstall 640 throughout their career. Had he kicked straighter he'd be on 1000 already. I'd say he'll make it to 1000, and probably get close to 800 career behinds.
 

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He's kicked 846.610 in his career so far. For reference Plugger kicked 590 behinds and Dunstall 640 throughout their career. Had he kicked straighter he'd be on 1000 already. I'd say he'll make it to 1000, and probably get close to 800 career behinds.
Does anyone know what the career record for behinds is? Is it the 640 of Dunstall that you've noted?

If so, Buddy's a certainty to reach that "target". I wonder if we get to invade the ground when he kicks the record breaking behind...
 

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He's only 30 and he's kicked 846, only 154 to go, and if he plays most games for the next five seasons, I'd say it's most probable. He'd only need an average of 20 something goals a season, or at least one goal a game. I think he'll be in pretty good form for the next 2-3 years at least.

Curious how many goals Plugger and Piggy had kicked when they turned 30?
 

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Does anyone know what the career record for behinds is? Is it the 640 of Dunstall that you've noted?

If so, Buddy's a certainty to reach that "target". I wonder if we get to invade the ground when he kicks the record breaking behind...
KB 777 behinds.
 

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Does anyone know what the career record for behinds is? Is it the 640 of Dunstall that you've noted?

If so, Buddy's a certainty to reach that "target". I wonder if we get to invade the ground when he kicks the record breaking behind...
I think it's Kevin Bartlett with 777.
 
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