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you boys are confident... i like it
i think we win 10 to 12 games and just miss
i think we win 10 to 12 games and just miss
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Will they make the 8? Tough without Mitchell (basically 2:1 in clearances compared to his next teammate, Wingard and Scully complement that more than replace it) but one of about 15 teams that can.
2nd to 12th went 16-15-15-14-14-13-13-12-12-12-12 wins last year. Ridiculously even. Hawthorn a middle 6 side IMO but I wouldn't be ruling anyone outside the bottom 3 out of top 8 contention before the season starts.
Good for them, they won't find a match.
Hawthorn could finish bottom 4 for the next 5 years, and you'll still believe your club did everything right. Again, no point in arguing with someone who reacts aggressively to any form of criticism.
Almost certainly not.
I’d say Richmond, West Coast, GWS and Collingwood will be the top four teams. Hawthorn will likely finish 5th-8th and maybe get bundled out in the first week. A lot of people aren’t taking the Hawks draw into consideration though. I don’t think it’s that bad.
Just had a gander. I'd expect them to really battle against Adelaide Rd 1, Melbourne Rd 7, Richmond Rd 9, GWS Rd 21, WC Rd 23. The rest are varying degrees of winnable, but like every year teams will win against top 8 sides away and then lose to Brisbane so tipping is for mugs. If I counted correctly I think 9 games against teams from the 7th-12th bracket of last year. GWS, Geelong, North, Port, Essendon, Adelaide are all teams that range significantly in people's pre-season predictions. At least we're not playing you at Etihad again.
This is a good example of looking at Hawthorn and the top 8 in a balanced way.
It will be tough; removal of Tom Mitchell from a midfield that was obviously so dependent on him does concern me, also the fact that he was such a workhorse and solid defensively. It'll be difficult to adapt.
I honestly don't think there are too many clubs who have improved their list position enough to move ahead though. Of those that finished within swinging distance behind us last year, only Essendon, Melbourne and maybe North have improved their list quality in any substantial way. Adelaide should improve by way of getting players back, but which other club can you look at and say they'll definitely finish ahead of Hawthorn as it sits now?
You and the 20k Hawthorn supporters that refuse to go to that soulless husk of a venue.
Nah. That's crap. O'Meara had his best season last year. Reasonable form in what was a comeback year while still building his fitness base & confidence back to pre-injury levels.Jaeger O'Meara still hasn't hit his 2013-2014 form
You can criticise Hawthorn all you want. North Melbourne have done the exact same approach but with no luck offering the million dollar offers to free agents like a desperate small club.
Is 2 months of pre-season enough time to adapt for Rd 1? 2017 Hawthorn were putrid then improved after the first month and finished 10th/11th. Hard to recover from a slow start.
It's a very good point. The 2017 "ladder from rd.8" onwards had Hawthorn 4th, only one game behind 1st. That horrible start cost us a finals spot, and given how the rest of the season went, we could have had the threepeat (of straight sets).
Clarkson tried to change the tactical focus in 2017, it didn't gel/mesh and under matchday pressure fell away. It was noted about rd.6 or so we had more off-site training (tactical and setups away from prying eyes) and the gameplan switch was almost immediate.
I must be an idiot.Dreadful based on depth or dreadful based on quality? There 2 different things. If your arguing that the quality is dreadful than your an idiot. Yes without Mitchell it's 1 key pillar missing from there but the players still in there are very good players. If your saying shiels is crap, Worpel is a spud and Howe is terrible for eg you don't watch many hawks games. Our issue isn't quality it's that we don't bat that deep.
No excuses for every team this year when they come up against the Hawks then, I guess.I must be an idiot.
When I look at Hawthorn's midfield I see a shallow mix of decent players past their prime (except for Smith who is still excellent) and young guys who could be very good one day but can't be relied upon to provide consistent output yet.
Pretty much every other team has a deeper midfield (except GC) with a couple of gun mids in their prime.
Says the guy who thinks that Melbourne “dismantled Hawthorn” last year.Not the most intelligent poster, are you?
There's always injuries ...... and umpires .... and weather ...... and six day breaks .......No excuses for every team this year when they come up against the Hawks then, I guess.
They missed 2017. And without Mitchell probably yesWill the Hawks finally miss the finals this year?
Says the guy who thinks that Melbourne “dismantled Hawthorn” last year.
2 goals down halfway through the last and made Melbourne play our game for majority of the night.Won by 6 goals from memory leading all night.
Melb had hawks measure that final
Please2 goals down halfway through the last and made Melbourne play our game for majority of the night.
They followed the next week by letting Eagles have it their own way too.
Please
Trailed all night 5 goals down 3 qtr time
Dees cue in the rack