Will Richmond play finals?

[Fadge]

HMMMM..we could say the same about WC/Collingwood. That would make Collingwood vastly inferior as we have dealt with you for the last quite a few games. I think a tad arrogant to talk in those comparisons as we get to the pointy end of the stick as, on a given day, one top tiered team can beat another if they are a little off.

Fully agree, which is why I said it would be like me expecting a West Coast supporter to be intimidated by a Collingwood supporter talking a big game.

I wouldn't be delusional enough to do it.

My whole point is that Richmond are no longer in the top tier.

 

[VicBased]

My whole point is that Richmond are no longer in the top tier.

Agree at this point in time Fadge but what i am trying to point out is, lets see who is there come the first final. I would not be presumptuous enough to say i am not worried about dealing with Collingwood this Friday, as i and most supporters would be. Lets see if the Tiges are there when it counts and if they aren't...................?

 

[Cdog71]

One team was on the way up, the other is on the way down.

Fair difference there.

I’m really glad you said that.

Ladder position has nothing to do with it.

Assuming we get our mojo back before we meet, you are simply a vastly inferior side. As we have proven the last two times we have met, where the scoreline has actually flattered the Tigers.

Is it Mojo mate? I’m not sure.
I do think Tigers will play finals I also think the season is all about winning the Grand final.
I really don’t see alot of difference between Richmond and Collingwood last year.
West Coast won it...does it really matter it your the first of the losers or the second of the losers?

I think it’d feel a little embarrassing if a vastly inferior side knocked you out of the top four.
Lets see what happens

 

[Vosko]

Fully agree, which is why I said it would be like me expecting a West Coast supporter to be intimidated by a Collingwood supporter talking a big game.

I wouldn't be delusional enough to do it.

My whole point is that Richmond are no longer in the top tier.

Think Richmond have gone past us bud

 

[Fadge]

I really don’t see alot of difference between Richmond and Collingwood last year.
West Coast won it...does it really matter it your the first of the losers or the second of the losers?

Come on pal, you're starting to sound like a Carlton supporter.

You're better than that.

 

[Cdog71]

Come on pal, you're starting to sound like a Carlton supporter.

You're better than that.

Nope
Flags are the measuring stick everything else is Drivel
Another fun fact...teams placed 1st and 2nd at Rnd 10 (like you and Geel) have only played off in the Granny twice in 60 yrs.
Twice in 60 yrs might have a familiar ring to it for you mate.

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

Fadge on fire in this thread!

 

[Fadge]

Here is how the year plays out...

At the moment Geelong and West Coast are the best two in it.

Pies and GWS the only teams that can trouble either of them. If neither of these two teams get their mojo back, the winner comes from the current top 2 teams.

Every one of the other 14 teams just making up the numbers. They are not consistent enough or good enough to win 3 or 4 big games in September against the best teams in the competition.

 

[Vosko]

Here is how the year plays out...

At the moment Geelong and West Coast are the best two in it.

Pies and GWS the only teams that can trouble either of them. If neither of these two teams get their mojo back, the winner comes from the current top 2 teams.

Every one of the other 14 teams just making up the numbers. They are not consistent enough or good enough to win 3 or 4 big games in September against the best teams in the competition.

We suck lol. Richmond are much better than us. We should consider ourselves lucky we got them on a bad night in the PF. Will be a West Coast Richmond Grand Final and I think the Tigers will win it unfortunately

 

[AstuteTiger]

Here is how the year plays out...

At the moment Geelong and West Coast are the best two in it.

Pies and GWS the only teams that can trouble either of them. If neither of these two teams get their mojo back, the winner comes from the current top 2 teams.

Every one of the other 14 teams just making up the numbers. They are not consistent enough or good enough to win 3 or 4 big games in September against the best teams in the competition.

Geez, you talk like u have a crystal ball. I actually believe pies are cooked not playing well enough and not scoring enough to trouble the real contenders and will be out of the top 4 in the coming weeks. See what I'm doing here

GWS we will account for them on Sunday, never beaten us at the G and I expect that to continue. Other teams are not consistent enough u say, well on Richmond guess we have had a valid reason with 7 of our top 10 out for many games from last years B&F. Now, most of our players have returned and we are in 6th spot, still have Jack coming back this Sunday and Nankervis next week. If you wanna judge us on the last 7 games, buckle up for the ride the tigers are coming.

 

[Cdog71]

Here is how the year plays out...

At the moment Geelong and West Coast are the best two in it.

Pies and GWS the only teams that can trouble either of them. If neither of these two teams get their mojo back, the winner comes from the current top 2 teams.

Every one of the other 14 teams just making up the numbers. They are not consistent enough or good enough to win 3 or 4 big games in September against the best teams in the competition.

Your right about W/C and Geel playing better than everyone else currently but the rest of it is you spouting silly things again and talking in absolutes.
There’s still another 24 points up for grabs and if the last three years are anything to go by anything can happen.

 

[My Tilly]

Agree at this point in time Fadge but what i am trying to point out is, lets see who is there come the first final.

I can see it now, Richmond finish 4th and play Geelong at the MCG

 

[Fadge]

Geez, you talk like u have a crystal ball. I actually believe pies are cooked not playing well enough and not scoring enough to trouble the real contenders and will be out of the top 4 in the coming weeks. See what I'm doing here

Yes, I saw what you did there. You stole my crystal ball but it obviously broke in transit.

 

[Damon_3388]

With nearly a full list to choose from and very few injuries I can’t see them losing the Premiership.

In all seriousness, if they can have their best side remain fit and find form, they could ride momentum into another flag from the bottom half of the eight.

 

[Royce Hafey]

Yes, I saw what you did there. You stole my crystal ball but it obviously broke in transit.

That's what happens when you get nick your crystal ball from the $2 shop.

 

[Macpotata]

Think Richmond have gone past us bud

Couldn't agree more. Beating powerhouses St.Kilda and Gold Coast speaks volumes.

 

[Macpotata]

Your right about W/C and Geel playing better than everyone else currently but the rest of it is you spouting silly things again and talking in absolutes.
There’s still another 24 points up for grabs and if the last three years are anything to go by anything can happen.

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[Brick Loosener]

Couldn't agree more. Beating powerhouses St.Kilda and Gold Coast speaks volumes.

 

[Fadge]

View attachment 707545

Point?

Should he/she just post the result of this year's Geelong v. Richmond game?

 

[PremiershipTigers]

An illustration of the odds stacked against Richmond - most recent teams to use 38 players after 15 games. Finalists in green.

Year	Club	Used	After 15 games	Finished
2019	Me	38	16th*
2019	Ri	38	6th*
2018	Es	38	12th	11th
2018	GC	39	17th	17th
2016	Co	38	11th	12th
2016	GC	38	15th	15th
2015	Ca	40	16th	18th
2015	GC	40	17th	16th
2014	GWS	40	15th	16th
2014	St	40	18th	18th
2014	WB	39	14th	14th
2013	Co	38	7th	8th
2013	GC	38	14th	14th
2013	GWS	43	18th	18th
2013	Me	38	17th	17th
2013	WB	38	15th	15th
2012	GC	41	17th	17th
2012	GWS	41	18th	18th
2011	Br	38	15th	15th
2011	GC	40	16th	17th
2011	WB	38	9th	10th
2009	Fr	38	16th	14th
2009	Ri	38	14th	15th
2008	Fr	38	14th	14th
2007	Me	38	15th	14th
2005	Es	39	14th	13th
2001	St	39	14th	15th
1999	Ad	38	12th	13th
1999	Co	39	16th	16th
1995	Fr	39	13th	13th
1994	Es	38	7th	10th
1994	St	40	14th	13th
1993	Ri	38	13th	14th
1993	Sy	41	15th	15th
1992	Es	39	9th	8th
1992	Me	38	13th	11th
1992	NM	39	11th	12th
1991	Br	38	14th	15th
1991	Ca	38	10th	11th
1991	Ri	38	13th	13th
1991	Fi	41	15th	14th
1990	Br	41	14th	14th
1990	Ca	39	7th	8th
1990	Sy	41	13th	13th
1989	Ca	41	9th	8th
1989	Ri	38	12th	14th
1988	NM	42	10th	11th
1988	WB	39	7th	8th

The main thing I take from this is that teams usually finish the season very near the position they were after round 15...

 

[PremiershipTigers]

Looking at the run home now and I can't see Richmond playing finals.

Geelong, Pies, GWS, Eagles, are locks to play finals. Would take an extreme event to see these teams fall out.

Adelaide and Brisbane look like 80-90% chances of playing finals, leaving Port, Freo, Bombers (not a chance imo) and Richmond to fight it out.

Port just beat Geelong, and Freo are playing terrific footy (although a lost to Melbourne hurts)

Richmond will need to get all their players back sometime soon and then essentially almost win every game to just make the 8. An event almost unthinkable at the beginning of the year.

Is 2019 almost curtains for the Tigers?

So you're saying we need to be 16-6 just to play finals? Really?

 

[Ron The Bear]

The main thing I take from this is that teams usually finish the season very near the position they were after round 15...

Spread of position gains/losses after 15 matches, 1970-2018

Clubs	-7	-6	-5	-4	-3	-2	-1	0	+1	+2	+3	+4	+5	+6	+7	+9
12 (1970-86)			2	2	4	18	50	66	36	16	6	4
14 (1987-89)					1	8	13	19	9	1	3	1	1
15 (1990-94)			1	5	3	2	15	11	12	3	4		2	1		1
16 (1995-10)	1	4	3	7	11	29	49	64	35	27	8	12	3	2	1
17 (2011)			1	1		1	3	6	3	1	1
18 (2012-18)		2	2	5	6	9	26	33	14	13	11	3	1	1

 

[Coaster2012]

So you're saying we need to be 16-6 just to play finals? Really?

Bit late to the party mate, I've already conceded long ago that Tigers will defintely make finals, and even maybe in a GF.

 

[CholEstrol]

Spread of position gains/losses after 15 matches, 1970-2018

Clubs	-7	-6	-5	-4	-3	-2	-1	0	+1	+2	+3	+4	+5	+6	+7	+9
12			2	2	4	18	50	66	36	16	6	4
14					1	8	13	19	9	1	3	1	1
15			1	5	3	2	15	11	12	3	4		2	1		1
16	1	4	3	7	11	29	49	64	35	27	8	12	3	2	1
17			1	1		1	3	6	3	1	1
18		2	2	5	6	9	26	33	14	13	11	3	1	1

what does the the clubs column numbers mean?

 

[Ron The Bear]

what does the the clubs column numbers mean?

Number of clubs in the VFL/AFL. It stands to reason that variability will increase with the number of clubs.