Traded Will Setterfield [traded to Carlton with #71 for #43 & future 2nd round pick]

[BLERN]

If the Giants think they’ll only lose this nobody because of cap issues in the next 18 months then they are in DENIAL!!! Lol, this kid be on about 200k and Leon ‘ the Thorrow Brow’ Cameron thinks that he may be the biggest name that leaves!!! Yep, we’ll see.

I would love to hear more about your understanding of things.

You seem to really know what you are talking about

 

[MasterSamurai]

I would love to hear more about your understanding of things.

You seem to really know what you are talking about

Not sure if I should laugh or take you seriously.

 

[BLERN]

Not sure if I should laugh or take you seriously.

If you were to take me seriously i would ask for 2 first rounders.

I dont make bold claims without info to back it up

 

[Andre the Giant]

Gotta love the GWS fan club. They amass a huge selection of young, talented players through a shit load of AFL handouts and a bogus Academy zone, trade some of those players for even more picks for new young talented players and then whinge when other clubs eye off their war chest. You seriously expect other clubs to not pursue your deeply talented list out of some form of respect? Get over yourselves.

Pursue or hover over like vultures?

Fair enough with players coming out of contract, but you parasites should not even draw breath over players that are still locked up...in some cases for more than 2 years.

The AFL should have anti tampering rules for players that are contracted beyond 12 months, the feeding frenzy from success starved teams and paracitic germ journalists trying to make a name for themselves has turned the industry into a sewer.

And enough about handouts, you guys have had many decades advantage to set yourselves up, have over 50% of players drafted coming from your state, have father sons coming through at your disposal and the lovely NGA draft rorts to hide and develop some of the better kids. Just have a look at how many NGA kids are off limits this year...it is far more alarming than what we had with our Academy before it was stripped to pieces.

In our game against Carlton a few weeks ago they had significantly more 1st round draft selections playing than us. That argument is now old thanks largely to our club being picked apart from the likes of you guys.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Wow that's some rant.
Obviously you've missed your injections.

Will stick with just mine eh?

You really are gullable.
The media based in Victoria promoting any star returning to clubs who are struggling is purely for clickbate so desperate fans of those clubs down there get hope.
Nothing more..

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The article stated nothing more than Carlton and Essendon are interested in Will Setterfield. Not that he's being traded, not that he's asked to leave, but that two clubs are interested in him. If you can't handle the discussion of GWS players being pursued by other clubs then I strongly suggest you stay on your own club's board lest you come across an opinion which makes you angry.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Pursue all hover over like vultures?

Fair enough with players coming out of contract, but you parasites should not even draw breath over players that are still locked up...in some cases for more than 2 years.

The AFL should have anti tampering rules for players that are contracted beyond 12 months, the feeding frenzy from success starved teams and paracitic germ journalists trying to make a name for themselves has turned the industry into a sewer.

And enough about handouts, you guys have had years to set up up everything, have over 50% of players drafted coming from your state, have father sons coming through at your disposal and the lovely NGA draft rorts to hide and develop some good kids.

Cry me a river over handouts.

But they don't have rules for players that are contracted beyond 12 months so every club asking about your players is well and truly within their rights to do so. You can cry me a river about that.

I don't need to cry a river over handouts, as my club and others will continue to try and benefit from the situation by chasing your players like we are entitled to do so. I'd say that I hope you can keep them, but the truth is that I really don't.

 

[Andre the Giant]

But they don't have rules for players that are contracted beyond 12 months so every club asking about your players is well and truly within their rights to do so. You can cry me a river about that.

I don't need to cry a river over handouts, as my club and others will continue to try and benefit from the situation by chasing your players like we are entitled to do so. I'd say that I hope you can keep them, but the truth is that I really don't.

Obviously it’s impossible to keep them all but 2 bob reporters drafting these articles like it is the other clubs right to have our players is disruptive and I reckon extremely unethical.

I’m sure you would not approve of such articles about your contracted players?? The players do not need this distraction and as with a lot of things with the VFL (it’s not really the AFL) it is completely one sided.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Obviously it’s impossible to keep them all but 2 bob reporters drafting these articles like it is the other clubs right to have our players is disruptive and I reckon extremely unethical.

I’m sure you would not approve of such articles about your contracted players?? The players do not need this distraction and as with a lot of things with the VFL (it’s not really the AFL) it is completely one sided.

You mean like the articles about Aaron Francis wanting out last year culminating in him actually asking for a trade to a South Australian club? Yeah, it sucks.

But please don't act like this is only a Victorian thing to do and that GWS has never and would never approach a contracted player to ask about their services.

 

[La Dispute]

Pursuing a contracted player recovering from an acl injury= get over yourselves? It would be a very essendon/carlton move though.

North only got congratulations for pursuing Ahern

Bit of a narky post

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

North only got congratulations for pursuing Ahern

Bit of a narky post

Fair call.
We did have a reducing list size then though. Personally I was also happy to see Plowman develop as a senior player and Pickett's rehab went well after he left. Reports with us were that it wasn't.

 

[Foucault1989]

Your kidding yourself if you think you will get any change out of a pick like that.

It would take 12-15 by itself as the least i imagine.
GWS dont need to cull list numbers and salary like they did 2 years ago. Setterfield is contracted and will be hard to pry at all.

Oh gosh...that kind of response for a pick in the 40s going back! You would have thought I proposed a first going back!

 

[Pykie]

Would happily give up our first.

 

[MasterSamurai]

If you were to take me seriously i would ask for 2 first rounders.

I dont make bold claims without info to back it up

Ok I’m still non the wiser as to what you mean tbh. Let’s run back over what I’m saying, the salary dump isn’t Setterfield, it WILL be an A grader in the next 18 months. Is this what you dispute?

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Ok I’m still non the wiser as to what you mean tbh. Let’s run back over what I’m saying, the salary dump isn’t Setterfield, it WILL be an A grader in the next 18 months. Is this what you dispute?

Absolutely it needs to be disputed. No club would know their position any further out though . Planning would be done, and you'd be foolish to suggest a club hasn't planned to have the capacity to pay it's contracted players for the next season by the middle of August the year before.

 

[BLERN]

Ok I’m still non the wiser as to what you mean tbh. Let’s run back over what I’m saying, the salary dump isn’t Setterfield, it WILL be an A grader in the next 18 months. Is this what you dispute?

I dispute that because GWS dont actually need a salary dump this year. By my understanding they are happy to leave negotiations till next season where they know they have issues in keeping their list together and will have more issues with salary cap pressure. But there is no imidiate issue this season. Nobody is being squeezed.

A-grade players are not on the table this FA /trade period, anything regarading the top class this year is pure speculation, the names being linked are either happy, in contract or both.

Likelihood of trade is in the likelihood of 0% territory. So people pushing "salary cap pressure" dont have any knowledge of their situation and it is not a position of "leverage for cap relief"

GWS are not closing their window this season. Next season is a different argument

 

[Masqualero]

Players get talked about all the time, we had rumours about Gibbs and Betts that eventuated we also get rumours about Cripps the year after he signs an extension.

Get over it.

Its also really hypocritical given how you took Scully and Ward to start your franchise.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Absolutely it needs to be disputed. No club would know their position any further out though . Planning would be done, and you'd be foolish to suggest a club hasn't planned to have the capacity to pay it's contracted players for the next season by the middle of August the year before.

Exactly what I’m saying, I agree but I did state that it will be in 18 months which gives gws a lot of time to get it all in order. Example?? Deledio Shaw and Griffen.

 

[BLERN]

Exactly what I’m saying, I agree but I did state that it will be in 18 months which gives gws a lot of time to get it all in order. Example?? Deledio Shaw and Griffen.

Hes "potentially" free in 18 months if you can outbid several clubs with more celery cap space then they know what to do with

That might be tricky

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Hes "potentially" free in 18 months if you can outbid several clubs with more celery cap space then they know what to do with

That might be tricky

 

[Andre the Giant]

You mean like the articles about Aaron Francis wanting out last year culminating in him actually asking for a trade to a South Australian club? Yeah, it sucks.

But please don't act like this is only a Victorian thing to do and that GWS has never and would never approach a contracted player to ask about their services.

Comparing to Aaron Francis is ridiculous. Francis was allegedly leaving training in tears and suffered from depression. Even bringing him up is ignorant.

A true comparison would be to say “.... clubs have identified an opportunity to sign Andrew McGrath. The promising youngster is seen as gettable with the Bombers experiencing a salary cap squeeze following the acquisitions of Smith, Saad and Stringer as well as a host of recent upgrades.”

Oh but that’s right, the Victorian teams never suffer salary cap issues because they don’t have to pay overs to keep players and they have all those helpful “business networks” to sweeten the pot for family and wags (wink wink).

All good we have COLA to even that out...oh wait.

Lucky we got all those draft picks....phew

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

You mean like the articles about Aaron Francis wanting out last year culminating in him actually asking for a trade to a South Australian club? Yeah, it sucks.

But please don't act like this is only a Victorian thing to do and that GWS has never and would never approach a contracted player to ask about their services.

Do you believe that the media articles were the cause of Francis wanting out?

 

[Orange Agent]

We did wonders for Stewart and Smith.
We'll take Setterfield. He'll get a good home at the Hangar

Same James Stewart that has played VFL for the past 3 months?

 

[Donakebab]

Comparing to Aaron Francis is ridiculous. Francis was allegedly leaving training in tears and suffered from depression. Even bringing him up is ignorant.

A true comparison would be to say “.... clubs have identified an opportunity to sign Andrew McGrath. The promising youngster is seen as gettable with the Bombers experiencing a salary cap squeeze following the acquisitions of Smith, Saad and Stringer as well as a host of recent upgrades.”

Oh but that’s right, the Victorian teams never suffer salary cap issues because they don’t have to pay overs to keep players and they have all those helpful “business networks” to sweeten the pot for family and wags (wink wink).

All good we have COLA to even that out...oh wait.

Lucky we got all those draft picks....phew

Francis is a far closer comparison than McGrath; one has had injury issues and barely strung any games together, the other isn't starved for opportunity and has actually played almost every game since debut. The whole premise of the article was on greater opportunity.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Do you believe that the media articles were the cause of Francis wanting out?

Are you trying to insinuate that the media articles surrounding GWS players are an attempt to dislodge them from the club?

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Are you trying to insinuate that the media articles surrounding GWS players are an attempt to dislodge them from the club?

Absolutely not. The media need stories to fill columns and increase advertising revenue. The yearly Tomlinson, Shiel, Lobb and now Settlefield article's do a great job at filling space throughout a 24 hour football media cycle. However, the vast majority of media reports linking GWS players to other clubs are proven false, as evidenced by the examples I listed earlier. However, you mentioned the case of Aaron Francis, and I was wondering, do you believe that media speculation caused him to request a trade away from Essendon?