Will West Coast fans finally admit their club is an amoral refuge for delinquents?

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How much longer will the mentally challenged supporters of the West Coast Eagles continue to mock claims of culture meltdowns at their club? We all knew what transpired in Las Vegas, and more importantly what transpires most weekends after a match and in the off season... all of us that is, except for WC fans. BigFooty has been witness to some of the more astounding denials and 'I don't cares' of late, and one can't help but wonder, how much longer will they keep up the charade?

Consider the failings of their players over the last couple of years, as documented by Melbourne's 'The Age' this morning:

- Embley charged with Assault in 2004
- Quentin Lynch leads cops on a high speed pursuit in 2004:eek:
- Punch-ons and bust-ups between Embley and Chick, Cousins and Kerr, Kerr and whoever looks at him for more than 2 seconds
- Cousins and Gardiner discovered to have links with the Underworld:eek: A staggering reflection of the state of their respective intellects':thumbsdown:
- Cousins abandons his car to evade police, leaving his girlfriend behind. It must have been one of those Booze AND Drugs buses to have instilled him with such fear.
- Kerr bashes a taxi driver because he teased him for wearing a homosexual shirt 2 sizes too small for him.
- Cousins clearly off his nazdaq outside Crown Casino in Melbourne late last year!

...and we discover in the last few days that Ben Cousins may never play again due to his personal problems.

...such events are a fairly accurate reflection of the collective IQ of the playing group.

So tell me, distinguished fans of West Coast, when will you admit that you actually do care that your club is fast becoming the laughing stock of the AFL community, despite the fact that it won last year's premiership??

ps. don't offer the usual rubbish such as 'where is the hard evidence?" That would just be embarrasing
 

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Fair enough but if delinquents can deliver a Premiership I want them at Richmond!

Just for one year. :p
 
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Seems no-one is biting at your troll, balls.

If you wanted a serious response maybe you should have asked a serious question, but we are on Bay 13, right?

Anyway, you ask if WCE fans will admit the club is a refuge for delinquents. I would have though that a refuge would be full of delinquents ie. 100% delinquency rate. Now I am not sure how you judge delinquency but you have named 5 players out of a list of 42 that equates to somewhere in the vicinity of a 12% delinquency rate, i would say that is far from a full house. Personnally i would consider Kerr and Cousins in the fold but Chicky, Embers and Lynch haven't done anything wrong for a while now (barring the chick/embers biff, which happens from time to time, thats what guys do) so my preference would be to discount those 3 from the equation and the delinquency rate is around 5%. But these are just semantics, right?

But seriously, the club has sent a message to the playing group that no-one is safe, which is a good thing. I hope Benny, with the help of family, friends and the club, can get his life sorted out and return to football, but we will see.

Just wondering where the people are that said, during the Kerr taxi incident, that the eagles won't punish him severely enough because he is a good player. Seems they can delve out punishment to all players from the top to the rookies as appropriate
 

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Seems no-one is biting at your troll, balls.

If you wanted a serious response maybe you should have asked a serious question, but we are on Bay 13, right?

Anyway, you ask if WCE fans will admit the club is a refuge for delinquents. I would have though that a refuge would be full of delinquents ie. 100% delinquency rate. Now I am not sure how you judge delinquency but you have named 5 players out of a list of 42 that equates to somewhere in the vicinity of a 12% delinquency rate, i would say that is far from a full house. Personnally i would consider Kerr and Cousins in the fold but Chicky, Embers and Lynch haven't done anything wrong for a while now (barring the chick/embers biff, which happens from time to time, thats what guys do) so my preference would be to discount those 3 from the equation and the delinquency rate is around 5%. But these are just semantics, right?

But seriously, the club has sent a message to the playing group that no-one is safe, which is a good thing. I hope Benny, with the help of family, friends and the club, can get his life sorted out and return to football, but we will see.

Just wondering where the people are that said, during the Kerr taxi incident, that the eagles won't punish him severely enough because he is a good player. Seems they can delve out punishment to all players from the top to the rookies as appropriate
5 of your best players (and don't forget Chad "flatline" fletcher which makes it 6) being in strife, is a significant amount. How many would you need to admit there was a problem? 22?
 

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Seems no-one is biting at your troll, balls.

If you wanted a serious response maybe you should have asked a serious question, but we are on Bay 13, right?

Anyway, you ask if WCE fans will admit the club is a refuge for delinquents. I would have though that a refuge would be full of delinquents ie. 100% delinquency rate. Now I am not sure how you judge delinquency but you have named 5 players out of a list of 42 that equates to somewhere in the vicinity of a 12% delinquency rate, i would say that is far from a full house. Personnally i would consider Kerr and Cousins in the fold but Chicky, Embers and Lynch haven't done anything wrong for a while now (barring the chick/embers biff, which happens from time to time, thats what guys do) so my preference would be to discount those 3 from the equation and the delinquency rate is around 5%. But these are just semantics, right?

But seriously, the club has sent a message to the playing group that no-one is safe, which is a good thing. I hope Benny, with the help of family, friends and the club, can get his life sorted out and return to football, but we will see.

Just wondering where the people are that said, during the Kerr taxi incident, that the eagles won't punish him severely enough because he is a good player. Seems they can delve out punishment to all players from the top to the rookies as appropriate

What is this tripe WCdomin8shun? You are right on one count - you have provided us with an example of semantics and nothing more. 5%, 12% whatever you like to go with, the fact of the matter remains that a HUGE proportion of your best 22, relative to the other 15 clubs in the competition, have been in trouble with the law and consequently tarnished their club's reputation beyond repair.

Thankyou for answering the question I raised in the title of my thread. Sadly, the answer it seems is still a resounding NO.

BTW - did Kerr receive a penalty in terms of suspended games? No - so WC clearly did not punish him sufficiently.

...oh, and also - someone did bite, didn't they?
 
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5 of your best players (and don't forget Chad "flatline" fletcher which makes it 6) being in strife, is a significant amount. How many would you need to admit there was a problem? 22?
Not saying that we don't have a problem just saying that the numbers is not a full house of delinquency as is implied by the question.

I am glad that they are taking steps to clean things up which i did indicate later in my post.

Also with reference to the number 5 or 6 depends on your valuation of delinquency and the timeframe used. The number could be a lot higher or lower. They are all just statistics and we should all be reminded of the saying "there are three types of lies - lies, damn lies and statistics"
 
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What is this tripe WCdomin8shun? You are right on one count - you have provided us with an example of semantics and nothing more. 5%, 12% whatever you like to go with, the fact of the matter remains that a HUGE proportion of your best 22, relative to the other 15 clubs in the competition, have been in trouble with the law and consequently tarnished their club's reputation beyond repair.

Thankyou for answering the question I raised in the title of my thread. Sadly, the answer it seems is still a resounding NO.

BTW - did Kerr receive a penalty in terms of suspended games? No - so WC clearly did not punish him sufficiently.

...oh, and also - someone did bite, didn't they?
Yeah i wanted to have a go after reading your second post fishing for comments again.

And the answer to your question is "no" because the question was flawed as pointed out with my "semantic" "tripe"
 

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Yeah i wanted to have a go after reading your second post fishing for comments again.

And the answer to your question is "no" because the question was flawed as pointed out with my "semantic" "tripe"
I wasn't going to bother discrediting your initial assertion of the structure of my question, for you seemed so pleased with yourself for knowing what 'semantic' actually meant. However, given that you persist along this line, it is necessary to highlight the sad fact that you were actually rather misguided in your approach.

A refuge is certainly where someone might find solace or protection from something, yet there is no implication or inherent meaning in the word to suggest that this is the entirety of its function. In other words, the West Coast Eagles Football Club is at once an organisation, a club, a brand and, as I pointed out in my OP, a refuge for delinquents. What this means is that not all the players MUST BE delinquents for us to deem the club as providing refuge for those who are. Do you understand WCEdomin8sgun?

I don't know why you thought you'd home in on the word 'refuge' in an attempt to semantically invalidate my question:confused: perhaps if I had said "nothing more than an amoral refuge..." you would be onto something. But I didn't.

What my question has succeeded in doing is revealing you to be yet another Eagles supporter hiding behind technicalities.... 'it's only a few players', 'he was fined...' ....and the latest.... 'semantically you are wrong - because technically a refuge is..." hahahahahahahahahah

Just admit it junior. The Eagles are in strife and are fast losing cred, much like yourself.
 

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Yes, the Eagles are in strife at the moment. I'll admit it. (Although I won't admit we're a "refuge for delinquents". A couple of players have a problem, there's no need to smear the whole playing group with the same term. And bringing up examples like Lynch and Embley - their indiscretions were 3 years ago.)

We need a whole review of the club from top to bottom. Is Brian Cook available? He has some recent experience.
 

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Yes, the Eagles are in strife at the moment. I'll admit it. (Although I won't admit we're a "refuge for delinquents". A couple of players have a problem, there's no need to smear the whole playing group with the same term. And bringing up examples like Lynch and Embley - their indiscretions were 3 years ago.)

We need a whole review of the club from top to bottom. Is Brian Cook available? He has some recent experience.
Thanks 5 Strings. You do have to admit that Lynch is a delinquent though. Regardless of the fact that it was 3 years ago - who the hell leads Police on a high speed pursuit?:eek:

Unfortunately for the Weagles, Cook is unavailable. However while he has done a good job resurrecting the club from it's debt-ridden state 6 or 7 years ago, I was not entirely impressed with his end of season review. There were certainly some problems down at Catland last year, of which you have subtly reminded me, and Bomber Thompson should have been given the arse.
 

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Thanks 5 Strings. You do have to admit that Lynch is a delinquent though. Regardless of the fact that it was 3 years ago - who the hell leads Police on a high speed pursuit?:eek:
It was hardly a high-speed pursuit, he was on foot and he's not the fastest bloke in the league.

He was drink-driving, got waved over by the cops, panicked and ran for it. Stupid but you could see why he'd make that drunken split-second decision. And it was three years ago and there's been no talk of him doing anything wrong since. Let's leave him out of discussions.

Unfortunately for the Weagles, Cook is unavailable. However while he has done a good job resurrecting the club from it's debt-ridden state 6 or 7 years ago, I was not entirely impressed with his end of season review. There were certainly some problems down at Catland last year, of which you have subtly reminded me, and Bomber Thompson should have been given the arse.
Glad to see you're being honest about your club as well. Isn't it much nicer when we all get along?
 

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I have already admitted that im ashamed of some footy players and eagles players, not sure about other supporters
 

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It was hardly a high-speed pursuit, he was on foot and he's not the fastest bloke in the league.

He was drink-driving, got waved over by the cops, panicked and ran for it. Stupid but you could see why he'd make that drunken split-second decision. And it was three years ago and there's been no talk of him doing anything wrong since. Let's leave him out of discussions.



Glad to see you're being honest about your club as well. Isn't it much nicer when we all get along?
So he tried to outrun them eh:eek: That reminds me of COPS. I can just see Quentin bursting from the car, looking a lot like one of those Hispanic types with those aweful moustaches:eek: How funny... and still a delinquent.

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I'm the first to admit to the problems at Geelong. Last year was a disgrace... plenty of head in the sand action IMO. Things appear to have been sorted out somewhat, though I still believe Bomber Thompson is fairly unintelligent.
 

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Whatever the allegations, they make an absolute mockery of the AFL's policy, PR and legal position.

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