Rumour Willie Rioli allegedly caught tampering with a drug testing sample

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Not possible to tamper with it after it's sealed. The bottles couldn't be opened. They're on a ratchet closure that can only be opened in the OIC Accredited Analytical Laboratory in Sydney. The bottles don't go to ASADA. I can't see how it's been tampered with. The chaperone literally stands in front of the athlete when the sample is being passed. Maybe the initial sample was partial. Surely he hasn't tried to substitute water? They take a PH reading anyway. If it was water would've been made to stay and pass it again. Quite bizarre.
Correct however Russia appear to have mastered a master key previously so add them to being able to access them. I doubt that comrade Rioli would have access to such a key though.
 

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"The role of the ASADA Doping Control Officers (DCO) is to organise and manage the sample collection session. The role of the Chaperone is to notify, accompany, and witness an athlete provide a sample. The DCO can also perform all the duties of a Chaperone.

DCOs and Chaperones ensure that sample collection occurs in strict accordance with the relevant procedures so all athletes are treated in a fair and equitable manner."

How can the bold occur whilst also a sample of urine is provided that isn't actually urine/somebody else's urine?

What's the bet Willie gets off due to a failure to follow correct protocol from ASADA..
 

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how did the Russian athletes swap out their samples? they never tampered with it. they handed over their own urine only for the equivalent of ASADA to swap it out.

sounds like you are pretty closed minded as to the various scenarios, given there's been no confirmation on how the sample was tampered with.
The Russians got their samples swapped out by the KGB and head of the Russian Wada lab under Putin's instruction, not sure old Turnbull jr (Scomo) is that big of a West coast fan 😝
 
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Fair bit of conjuncture in here about ‘you can’t tamper with a sample.’ Of course you can. You can break the seal and poorly put it back together(poor choice and is always caught). You can hold fluid in your mouth and spit/dribble it into the cup (beats the temperature test). Testers will often check pockets, ask for a shirt lift and then allow sample to be produced - so fake bladders are possible. Finally, when providing a sample, you hold and close the cup. Sometimes you place the cup on a shelf/toilet whilst finishing draining. At this point, the vessel is open and substitution can occur. This is also an opportune time to drop in a masking agent or hard chemical wash.

Really, you can tamper in many ways and a hyper vigilant chaperone is the only safeguard at the collection point.
 

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Should get the full 4 years, but I’m sure the AFL will look after him with his suspension ending in time for rd 1...
Were you there? Obviously were considering your making such a definitive statement about the investigation.
 

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From the ASADA website regarding testing protocol for those claim fake dong

"They are also required to remove any clothing from the knees to the mid-torso and from the hands to the elbows"

Only way he is using a fake dong is if the chaperone doesn't do their job at all, and they would be fired for it
 

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That's the allegation. Why else would he be suspended? They would surely need to have reasonable grounds that he consciously tampered with the sample in order to suspend him.
Yep.

If there was an irregularity like a spike in some hormone they would retest in the future, even target test surely - there are such things as bell curves.

With ASADA announcing an irregularity, it has to be an irregularity with the legitimacy of the sample itself - is it urine and is it his
 

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From the ASADA website regarding testing protocol for those claim fake dong

"They are also required to remove any clothing from the knees to the mid-torso and from the hands to the elbows"

Only way he is using a fake dong is if the chaperone doesn't do their job at all, and they would be fired for it
Happened before. I can't imagine they get their 'gooch' examined.
 

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From the ASADA website regarding testing protocol for those claim fake dong

"They are also required to remove any clothing from the knees to the mid-torso and from the hands to the elbows"

Only way he is using a fake dong is if the chaperone doesn't do their job at all, and they would be fired for it
Could be a very convincing fake. How closely would they check?
 

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Happened before. I can't imagine they get their 'gooch' examined.
Got an example of recent case of fake dong in a legitime testing pool? (I.E. USADA, ASADA) You'd have to be rocking a fake dong all day for an unnotified visit, and it would have to have no visible stop lines.

Full protocol from the start of the visit seen below
 

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The Russians got their samples swapped out by the KGB and head of the Russian Wada lab under Putin's instruction, not sure old Turnbull jr (Scomo) is that big of a West coast fan 😝
point remains, the athlete didnt do it and testing staff were complicit. so it obviously can happen.

it's happened before in other sports where it was not under directives from the government.

until we know how the tampering was detected we are none the wiser as to how it occurred.
 

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