News Willie Rioli - Provisionally Suspended

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Time has blurred my memory, but I'm pretty sure that was well known and reported on at that time.
So the story today is that it was added to the ASADA list/website the day before Essendon 'self reported' (i.e. were about to get caught).

Then, right at the end of the article, basically as an ending, they mention it was on the WADA list since 2010.

So yeah, they did the wrong thing and it was clearly banned - but maybe there was a procedural/administration error at ASADA where people couldn't properly check locally what was on the list and what was not.
 

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So the story today is that it was added to the ASADA list/website the day before Essendon 'self reported' (i.e. were about to get caught).

Then, right at the end of the article, basically as an ending, they mention it was on the WADA list since 2010.

So yeah, they did the wrong thing and it was clearly banned - but maybe there was a procedural/administration error at ASADA where people couldn't properly check locally what was on the list and what was not.
This.
 

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So the story today is that it was added to the ASADA list/website the day before Essendon 'self reported' (i.e. were about to get caught).

Then, right at the end of the article, basically as an ending, they mention it was on the WADA list since 2010.

So yeah, they did the wrong thing and it was clearly banned - but maybe there was a procedural/administration error at ASADA where people couldn't properly check locally what was on the list and what was not.
Yup basically a nothing story to make the skim reading Bomber supporter feel better.

Robbo is still pushing the drugcheats' barrow albeit under Warner's byline. And I think it's important to take anything Warner writes with a truckload of salt. I'm no fan of the AFL, but he is pathological in his hatred.
 

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This statement from ASADA should shut the cheats up.
You see the problem was they had to fill out a form to query it.

Now, we know from the evidence that they were very bad at filling out forms (as when you are drug tested they fill out a form that specially asks if players had been taking or injecting any other substances, either legal or illegal - or unknown - and they all left it blank). So not Essendons fault as they were just bad at filling out forms (They certainly didn't instruct the players to specifically omit information )

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So let me understand this right. ASADA implements WADA substance abuse policy but publishes a substance check-list that is different to WADA's, then tells people "it's not our fault if we publish a list different to WADA's". I don't understand that.

Apart from this, the only real connection between the Essendon case (systematic club-organised attempt to cheat using a PED) and Rioli's case (panic at testing time over a possible cannabis metabolite finding) is the WADA system, which is defective, administered by ASADA and implemented by the AFL.
The threat of a 4-year ban is based on WADA being focused around the Olympics cycle. That may be appropriate for state-organised sample-tampering but it is an entirely different universe from an athlete testing positive for a recreational substance, which is not (despite the silly stuff WADA say about cannabis) performance-enhancing.
 

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Willie certainly doesn’t look like someone who is taking performance enhancing drugs long term etc. Certainly looks like he might smoke the ganja. But how does he only get charged with Ganja smoking and not sample tampering?
Does the blood test substitute and cover what a urine test does ?
Did a blood test happen and who did it and when and why?

I’m worried that this poor bloke is going to cop a big suspension because of precedence if he doesn’t . I tampered with my sample because I’d been smoking dope etc.

Basically what is going to Rioli a light sentence ? Can the blood test help etc.

Didn’t someone from GWS do something dodgy and got away with it ?
 

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Willie certainly doesn’t look like someone who is taking performance enhancing drugs long term etc. Certainly looks like he might smoke the ganja. But how does he only get charged with Ganja smoking and not sample tampering?
Does the blood test substitute and cover what a urine test does ?
Did a blood test happen and who did it and when and why?

I’m worried that this poor bloke is going to cop a big suspension because of precedence if he doesn’t . I tampered with my sample because I’d been smoking dope etc.

Basically what is going to Rioli a light sentence ? Can the blood test help etc.

Didn’t someone from GWS do something dodgy and got away with it ?
He's pretty screwed.
As you said, setting a precedence for getting out of a test by tampering with a sample could be one that people taking performance enhancing substances could use to get a lighter sentence. You can't really allow that and have the drug testing regime maintain any sort of integrity. Don't know about the blood test, but you'd imagine ASADA will go for 4 years, and given it was a deliberate manipulation it's hard to see an argument otherwise. Would be stoked if it was somehow reduced, but bloody hell, much easier to just take a whizz in a cup.
 

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Willie certainly doesn’t look like someone who is taking performance enhancing drugs long term etc. Certainly looks like he might smoke the ganja. But how does he only get charged with Ganja smoking and not sample tampering?
Does the blood test substitute and cover what a urine test does ?
Did a blood test happen and who did it and when and why?

I’m worried that this poor bloke is going to cop a big suspension because of precedence if he doesn’t . I tampered with my sample because I’d been smoking dope etc.

Basically what is going to Rioli a light sentence ? Can the blood test help etc.

Didn’t someone from GWS do something dodgy and got away with it ?
Stupidity isn't a defence - if it was the world would be a different place.
 

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I’m biased but from the little we know 4 years seems a ridiculously harsh penalty. It may depend on how blatant he was with the substitution- if it was clear that he was supplying Gatorade that’s a different action to him trying to “trick” the chaperone by disguising his substitution in some way

There’s no hope he gets less than 18 months though and that’s probably best case scenario as it’s a manageable time frame. Any longer than that becomes problematic in terms of what with do with a player that effectively can’t play until 2022
 

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He's pretty screwed.
As you said, setting a precedence for getting out of a test by tampering with a sample could be one that people taking performance enhancing substances could use to get a lighter sentence. You can't really allow that and have the drug testing regime maintain any sort of integrity. Don't know about the blood test, but you'd imagine ASADA will go for 4 years, and given it was a deliberate manipulation it's hard to see an argument otherwise. Would be stoked if it was somehow reduced, but bloody hell, much easier to just take a whizz in a cup.
Can he play the culture card? Weak I know but if it saves his career why not?
West Coast not displaying duty of care / due diligence etc etc.
culture shame etc etc
 

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Good luck trying to play the culture card against WC. They would have to be the leading club in the AFL with regards to their indigenous programs.
He can play the race card, lack of education, tough upbringing, remote community etc. I still don't see it getting below a 2 year ban with 6 months suspended.

He plays the above, plus the fact that the blood sample came clean, admit that it is because he has a problem with weed and all parties come away not too badly.

ASADA/WADA hold a 2 year min ban for tampering, it's a good news story for Rioli and the AFL which they spin for PR with the club, Rioli and the AFL committing to more activity and funds into programs for the indigenous, drugs/and or how seemingly innocuous day to day things like weed (how a lot of people see it) can ruin a career.

If we run the us against them way using Essendon and doping as a precedence or the similar cases of positive cocaine tests etc i think he gets full whack. AFL doesn't give a fu** about us unless they can turn it into a good story for them.

Then watch it all play out in September for the media to have a ******* field day with. This year it f’ed us, next year I can see the players using it to steel themselves together and take out the premiership.
 

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He can play the race card, lack of education, tough upbringing, remote community etc. I still don't see it getting below a 2 year ban with 6 months suspended.

He plays the above, plus the fact that the blood sample came clean, admit that it is because he has a problem with weed and all parties come away not too badly.

ASADA/WADA hold a 2 year min ban for tampering, it's a good news story for Rioli and the AFL which they spin for PR with the club, Rioli and the AFL committing to more activity and funds into programs for the indigenous, drugs/and or how seemingly innocuous day to day things like weed (how a lot of people see it) can ruin a career.

If we run the us against them way using Essendon and doping as a precedence or the similar cases of positive cocaine tests etc i think he gets full whack. AFL doesn't give a fu** about us unless they can turn it into a good story for them.

Then watch it all play out in September for the media to have a ******* field day with. This year it f’ed us, next year I can see the players using it to steel themselves together and take out the premiership.
I agree but the post I was responding to indicated he could play the race card by holding the club partially responsible for not showing due diligance or providing an environment culture shame etc (not exactly a coherent post but I could see what it was angling at).
The situation you outlined would have a much higher chance of success.
 

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I agree but the post I was responding to indicated he could play the race card by holding the club partially responsible for not showing due diligance or providing an environment culture shame etc (not exactly a coherent post but I could see what it was angling at).
The situation you outlined would have a much higher chance of success.
Was just pointing out that I agreed Club Culture wouldn't work but Race card particularly in Australia is a big thing and could see him getting a lighter penalty than otherwise mandated.
 

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This a joke we don't know the conclusion of this already, AFL need to get ride of ASADA and bring it in house.
AFL loses any government funding if we go down that route. The sport isn't quite big enough yet with enough cash flow to stand on it's own like some of the bigger sporting leagues can (NFL, NBA, etc)
 

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