News Willie Rioli - Provisionally Suspended

tigger_ferret

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His intent and what was in his system is irrelevant.

He stepped outside the process laid out to him by the drug testing officials, therefore he's classed as trying to cheat the test.

Not an overly hard concept to understand.
Again a pretty black and white interpretation of things.

You can break the rules without cheating in my opinion. If you’re in an exam and you start talking footy to the guy sitting next to you. That is breaking the rules not cheating. Taking in notes to a closed book exam I would call cheating. They are quite different and often have different punishments.

I think a lot of people believe it is ASADA’s responsibility is to stop cheating, rather than ban a player for what was a dumb mistake and breaking the rules.
 

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Again a pretty black and white interpretation of things.

You can break the rules without cheating in my opinion. If you’re in an exam and you start talking footy to the guy sitting next to you. That is breaking the rules not cheating. Taking in notes to a closed book exam I would call cheating. They are quite different and often have different punishments.

I think a lot of people believe it is ASADA’s responsibility is to stop cheating, rather than ban a player for what was a dumb mistake and breaking the rules.
Your example is 2 different things. Rioli is more like taking notes into a closed book exam, then saying the notes will not help in the exam. You arent allowed to take notes in, how much the notes help is much less a consideration. He tried to cheat a test, that it wouldn't have helped his performance if he had succeeded isnt a great defence.
 

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The first test was midweek. They don't test for party drugs then. The second test was match day. They DO test for party drugs then.
If they don't test for party drugs during the week then how could any player possibly get a strike? They do test for party drugs during the week but they don't have any penalty for it. They would inform the AFL who could then issue a strike to the player.
 

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Again a pretty black and white interpretation of things.

You can break the rules without cheating in my opinion. If you’re in an exam and you start talking footy to the guy sitting next to you. That is breaking the rules not cheating. Taking in notes to a closed book exam I would call cheating. They are quite different and often have different punishments.

I think a lot of people believe it is ASADA’s responsibility is to stop cheating, rather than ban a player for what was a dumb mistake and breaking the rules.
Have you ever taken a piss test that your career depends on?
 

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Your example is 2 different things. Rioli is more like taking notes into a closed book exam, then saying the notes will not help in the exam. You arent allowed to take notes in, how much the notes help is much less a consideration. He tried to cheat a test, that it wouldn't have helped his performance if he had succeeded isnt a great defence.
The accuracy of the example is not really the point I was trying to make. More that you can do something against the rules and not be a cheat.

I took exception that a few posters said he took a prohibited drug and was therefore a drug cheat. I just don’t think it is that simple.
 

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If they don't test for party drugs during the week then how could any player possibly get a strike? They do test for party drugs during the week but they don't have any penalty for it. They would inform the AFL who could then issue a strike to the player.
It's a good point. Maybe it's that they don't apply ASADA penalties for party drugs during the week, or maybe it's that the AFL runs its own tests for drug strikes. Anyone know which one?
 

kane249

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It's a good point. Maybe it's that they don't apply ASADA penalties for party drugs during the week, or maybe it's that the AFL runs its own tests for drug strikes. Anyone know which one?
Could just be the findings of the test from ASADA are shared with the AFL who can then act on any illicit drugs found?
 

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The bit that gets me is if willie tampered with the test (knowing he was going to fail)
Then sat another test 2 weeks later and actually failed, wouldn’t you put down the pot and detox your ass off for the next two weeks.
he is obviously smoking quiet frequently to still test positive two weeks later.
must not value his job too highly.

I’m not trying to put the bloke down, I wish all the best for him. Just though you would act a bit more professional being a paid Athlete.
 

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The bit that gets me is if willie tampered with the test (knowing he was going to fail)
Then sat another test 2 weeks later and actually failed, wouldn’t you put down the pot and detox your ass off for the next two weeks.
he is obviously smoking quiet frequently to still test positive two weeks later.
must not value his job too highly.

I’m not trying to put the bloke down, I wish all the best for him. Just though you would act a bit more professional being a paid Athlete.
Yeah whatever, he did what he did and he'll get what he gets, all the moralizing and hand wringing won't change anything.
 

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I'll weigh in on this again.

The 4 year suspensions will be reserved for someone who deliberately and methodically plans to deceive officials and mask a PED to gain an unfair advantage over their opponents.

The kid who panicked after not being able to produce a sample and used Gatorade because he couldn't take a leak and was trying to hide a joint he had during the week will not cop a full 4 year suspension.

18-24 months tops.
 

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