Winx is a Goat

Dazlington

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I was suspended so I’m only responding to this now. Would you take a champion horse you owned overseas and risk injury and future preps for a big race overseas? I wanted Winx to go overseas but squibbing it is a bridge too far. They kept her in Australia because it was nearly guaranteed that she would win them another $15m.
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Jugada

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I was suspended so I’m only responding to this now. Would you take a champion horse you owned overseas and risk injury and future preps for a big race overseas? I wanted Winx to go overseas but squibbing it is a bridge too far. They kept her in Australia because it was nearly guaranteed that she would win them another $15m.
Who cares about the $15 million. They don't need or even keep the money
 

bigpapagman

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If it was about the money, she could have gone to Dubai and earned boatloads.

It had nothing to do with money, nor about squibbing it. In the end it was about protecting the country’s jewel of racing so we could enjoy her as long as possible.
 

iluvparis

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Nah owners and Waller squibbed it. Weren't happy to risk losing to take on the best races in the world
Be better Jug - they weren't worried about losing - she would have faced extremely weak years had she headed over there in either 2017 or 2018. I have no doubt their primary concern was for the health of the horse and to break the Cox Plate record. If she hadn't already won 2 I am sure they would have gone to Europe in 2017
 

iluvparis

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Don't give me that health of the horse spin. They squibbed it because of a winning streak and were happy with the constant soft options that were just put in take out for the resume
Yes because taking on Accidental Agent would have been so so tough
 

Dazlington

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Times Winx has faced off against 3+ Waller stayers first up over unsuitable distances please
Accept that she can only beat who she is up against and other trainers squibbed facing off with her in various races but you can’t deny Waller squibbed it
 

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FallingLiefs

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it's an irrelevant debate.

she could only get beat due to bad luck in any race she contested and couple that with a horse doing their best to beat her with perfect run. most would agree with that statement.

that's a fact, and one you can not say about many horses, ever.
 

FallingLiefs

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The same people always on the same side, they always say the Winx lovers do not pay history respect, interesting as if history has shown us one thing, it is how good winx is.

Coming out of the depression, the general feeling towards Phar Lap was he had not beaten much. that in a time out of the war and not much money around the quality/volume of horses around had fallen. Really what they were seeing was a horse that was that much better then the rest that he made them look like BM58 scrubbers.

Years later Black caviar had the same questions and punished anything around her with ease. while Phar Lap's pure record lasted the test of time, as will Caviars as will Winx's. our 3 best we've had.
 

Jugada

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Not denying Winx ability. Still connections were gutless and wasted a massive opportunity
 

FallingLiefs

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Not denying Winx ability. Still connections were gutless and wasted a massive opportunity
Big time, but was a debate for 18 months ago and doesn’t really have much weight in a debate on how good she is.
 

54Dogs

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looking glass and all things being equal what price would winx be if the had kept going for a 5th CP.
 

FallingLiefs

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before i get shot down

I think it was perfect time to retire her probably just a touch off her best which i mean is not unexpected for an 8yo mare. probably peaked in 2016 which was some 3 years ago now. that said, completely dependant on the field but i'd expect $1.28
 

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I think it was perfect time to retire her probably just a touch off her best which i mean is not unexpected for an 8yo mare. probably peaked in 2016 which was some 3 years ago now. that said, completely dependant on the field but i'd expect $1.28
She is 7
 

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I think it was perfect time to retire her probably just a touch off her best which i mean is not unexpected for an 8yo mare. probably peaked in 2016 which was some 3 years ago now. that said, completely dependant on the field but i'd expect $1.28
Pretty much. The 2016 Cox Plate followed by the almost faultless Autumn campaign in 2017, capped by the QE demolition. That was followed by a couple of hiccups and near misses in Spring, including the Cox Plate. Autumn and Spring 18 were short and relatively straight forward, as was this final campaign. But besides the 2018 Chipping Norton, which was a shocking field, she really didn't gap them, Winx gap them, from the 17 Turnbull onwards. Which for me, makes her all the more amazing. She declined ever so slightly from that point yet still had a ridiculous amount on everything else and just kept winning.
 

HeathComeBack

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Her best win was the first Cox Plate. It was easily the best field she has met but she had the fast lane..... Her 2nd best win was the George Ryder where she beat Chataquat and a couple of other decent horses. Every other field she has met is below true group 1 class even the Cox Plates... sorry but its true..
Her 2016 Cox plate win way over rated. She was always 6 lengths better than Hartcat. and there was zero depth in that field.
 

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I think it was perfect time to retire her probably just a touch off her best which i mean is not unexpected for an 8yo mare. probably peaked in 2016 which was some 3 years ago now. that said, completely dependant on the field but i'd expect $1.28
$1.28 would be way unders for this years Cox Plate. Her stablemate who the owners said wouldn’t race against her will win this year. I honestly believe if Waller thought Winx would win the Cox Plate this year it would have been her last run.
 
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