wirra

[Streaker]

Originally posted by Mark Viduka
You should get a bit closer to the club then.

Oh thats right I remember now. Ex Player. Red shirt. Goes by the name of Danny_Green . Fool

 

[Exeter]

Originally posted by jod23
Collingwood have absolutely nobody that I can see us being interested in.

Tarrant.

 

[coasting]

For people wanting to trade him, I have still yet to see any reasonable argument as to who will take Wirra's spot in the back pocket. At least in key positions we have young guys who could turn into good players with some more experience. I don't see any young players on our list who could become a decent small defender.

 

[llosis]

Originally posted by coasting
For people wanting to trade him, I have still yet to see any reasonable argument as to who will take Wirra's spot in the back pocket. At least in key positions we have young guys who could turn into good players with some more experience. I don't see any young players on our list who could become a decent small defender.

The fact is we do need a close checking BP - as this is something that Wirra is not; close checking.

As far as a rebounding player small backman goes (Wirra's forte) I think Mark Nicoski is the heir apparent in that area.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by coasting
For people wanting to trade him, I have still yet to see any reasonable argument as to who will take Wirra's spot in the back pocket. At least in key positions we have young guys who could turn into good players with some more experience. I don't see any young players on our list who could become a decent small defender.

You obviously can't read.

1. Nicoski
2. Waters
3. Chick
4. Selwood

 

[coasting]

Originally posted by llosis
As far as a rebounding player small backman goes (Wirra's forte) I think Mark Nicoski is the heir apparent in that area.

I like Nicoski, he could be a good player for us but he aint a natural back pocket. He is being played way too deep in defence and he has struggled. He is a batter player than he has shown in recent times. Move him up the ground.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by coasting
Move him up the ground.

1. Cousins
2. Judd
3. Kerr
4. Fletcher
5. Braun
6. Butler
7. Selwood
8. Embley
9. Nicoski
10. Chick
11. Adkins

How many on ballers do you want? We have a surplus of onballer/utility type players. It is easy to find one that can be developed into a back pocket specialist. Impossible to develop one into a KPP.

You also haven't explained Waters as not right for the back pocket.

 

[Clayton]

Wirra should be rotated from the back pocket to the wing more. I agree that we have alot of On-ballers but I reckon I've seen him play better in that postion, even though he says he's more comfortable in defense.

I reckon Waters looks like he's gonna have a bright future down back,

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
You obviously can't read.

1. Nicoski
2. Waters
3. Chick
4. Selwood

Nor can you! He did say small defender . Nicoski and Selwood and even Waters are a bit tall to be called small .

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Nor can you! He did say small defender . Nicoski and Selwood and even Waters are a bit tall to be called small .

.. you don't get bonus points for fielding defenders under a certain height.

In my book, a small defender is one capable of playing on small forwards, the critical issue being their pace, tenacity, and ability to stay with them. If they happen to have a bit of extra height, bully for them, its a bonus.

Nicoski has had some wins and some losses in that role so far this season, but has certainly done enough to suggest he's capable of playing on the small, fast forwards, and Selwood seems to have the right attributes to handle the job.

Personally, at the moment I'd back Nicoski over Wirrpunda on any quality small forward, full stop. The latter really struggles for accountability. I think that makes Nico more of a small, close checking defender than Wirrpunda.

 

[cartman]

back to the start , i got my info off peter jolly brother of martin he runs img aust, i now see today in the herald sun that they also say wirra could feature in trade talks, maybe they think we might take leon or even williams back, sorry only a joke

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Nor can you! He did say small defender . Nicoski and Selwood and even Waters are a bit tall to be called small .

Small defender refers to the height of the player they play on. Small defenders don't necessarily have to be small in height, they have to be quick and agile and be able to compete with players like Milne and Medhurst.


Beau Waters: 187cm
Mark Nicoski: 187cm
Chris Johnson: 180cm
James Clement: 190cm
Gavin Wanganean: 181cm
Mathew Lappin: 181cm

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Nor can you! He did say small defender . Nicoski and Selwood and even Waters are a bit tall to be called small .

Who says you have to be 175cm to be considered a small defender. Look at who opposition teams put on Phil Matera. Usually its a 185cm backman who can run with him.

Wirrpunda's days are numbered. Notice who is taking more and more of the kickins these days.... its not Wirrapunda. The Eagles are already planning for life without him.

 

[coasting]

Originally posted by Mark Viduka
Who says you have to be 175cm to be considered a small defender. Look at who opposition teams put on Phil Matera. Usually its a 185cm backman who can run with him.

Wirrpunda's days are numbered. Notice who is taking more and more of the kickins these days.... its not Wirrapunda. The Eagles are already planning for life without him.

I don't think Matera ever plays against anyone his own height. When I say 'small defender' I mean how they play, not their actual height - IE someone who can handle elusive forward pockets like Matera, Farmer etc. Waters will be a good player in time but those sorts of players would worry him big time. Likewise Nicoski was carved up by Davey when he played on him. Selwood was played much better as a run-with player than in defence while Chick is hit and miss.

Wirra doesn't take the kickouts because he has lost confidence. Notice how he doesn't do any 75m torps anymore? Thats because he is playing without confidence. When he regains it with the rest of team I think you will see the real Wirrapunda come through.

 

[hoss]

You can't trade the really poor performers - they're not worth anything. Kasey Green doesn't have enough of a reputation in WA let alone Vic or SA. This is why Wirra would be a perfect trade. I reckon the Eagles would get a 10-15 pick for him. He's young enough and has enough of a rep to be traded. Those with inside knowledge know that like Brett Heady was, he is much older in body than age - therefore is not of much benefit to the Eagles who are rebuilding a team of young upcomers.

 

[leonmagic]

Do you think you guys would accept:

Tristen Walker + Pick 20-25 for Wirra?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by leonmagic
Do you think you guys would accept:

Tristen Walker + Pick 20-25 for Wirra?

No

First round pick thanks. We're not after fringe players.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Originally posted by leonmagic
Do you think you guys would accept:

Tristen Walker + Pick 20-25 for Wirra?

Walker? nah mate, I rate you higher than most Pies fans on here but I also know Pies fans never throw around names of players they rate . We've got loads of young talls at the club already who are as good or better than Walker - he'd join the queue.

Would hope for a 1st round pick if he was to be traded, doesn't have to be a low one.

 

[llosis]

Originally posted by Black JuJu
Would hope for a 1st round pick if he was to be traded, doesn't have to be a low one.

I'd rather another draft pick 3rd round plus than Walker.

Collingwood are ever so hopeful when it comes to bandying about names for trade. I th0ink they believe too much of their own (never ending) publicity.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by leonmagic
Do you think you guys would accept:

Tristen Walker + Pick 20-25 for Wirra?

I very much doubt it. I'd say the Eagles would be looking for around #10-12. Walker and 20-25 is nowhere close.

And who would have someone on their list called Tristen? That's a nancy boy's name. He'd never be taken serious and would get sledged all the time for being a mummy's boy.

 

[Jabber]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
And who would have someone on their list called Tristen? That's a nancy boy's name. He'd never be taken serious and would get sledged all the time for being a mummy's boy.

Unless he bulks up like "Quinten"

 

[Jabber]

Originally posted by coasting
I don't think Matera ever plays against anyone his own height.

Thats true because it is impossible for Matera to play on anyone his own height - he is 171cm.

Originally posted by coasting
Wirra doesn't take the kickouts because he has lost confidence. Notice how he doesn't do any 75m torps anymore? Thats because he is playing without confidence. When he regains it with the rest of team I think you will see the real Wirrapunda come through.

Wirra's confidence is shot because the coach is bagging him in the media. He is being set up for a mutually agreed trade.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by Jabber
Unless he bulks up like "Quinten"

Good point. I'm sure anyone who teased him about that nancy boy name at school did so from the other side of a big solid fence.

 

[Captain Random]

That may also be why we've recruited every Chad in the AFL. Safety in numbers.

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by carneagles
That may also be why we've recruited every Chad in the AFL. Safety in numbers.

Just need that nancy boy Chad Cornes to make the full set.