Without a woman in charge, would Richmond have embraced mindfulness and been successful ?

[Spanish_Fly]

Well winning a flag has nothing to do with her.

Clarko and the players are why Hawks won multiple flags,not Kennett .

Its both sad and funny that you think this.

 

[blaisee]

Ben Gale is the executive in charge and made the decision.
Peggy's (and women's generally) role/influence/outlook are fantastic assets to the club. But the basic premise of the OP is sexist and reduces the inputs of intelligent male leaders to that of locker room jocks with no sophistication or emotional intelligence. What a very sad, limited concept of masculinity.

The role Crowe played in Cotchin, Richmond turnaround

How the Tigers changed their mindset.

www.sen.com.au

This is completely untrue, and I have provided evidence to prove it in the article

“I was working with Peggy O’Neal at the time and agreed to mentor Damien and Trent,” he said on SEN Breakfast.

“All the credit goes to those guys and Peggy for the transformation of Richmond, especially around purpose mindset.

“Authenticity, vulnerability, connection and storytelling and these principles are something that they’ve really embraced and celebrated.”

You need to concede that you are wrong

 

[Bostonian]

Its both sad and funny that you think this.

Because people like you don't like the reality of it.

 

[4tune8]

None of which wins you games of football and Grand Finals.

What an idiotic thing to say.

I was going to reply with some well thought out and logical arguments to debunk your statement but then I was reminded by what my Grandfather said...

"Do not argue with idiots because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

So, in a village full of idiots you would be the village idiot.

 

[Bostonian]

really ?

What opinion do you want to debate exactly?

The one where the President is a figurehead that has nothing to do with football decisions outside having some possible input on a coach that leads to winning and flags.

 

[Bostonian]

I was going to reply with some well thought out and logical arguments to debunk your statement but then I was reminded by what my Grandfather said...

"Do not argue with idiots because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

So, in a village full of idiots you would be the village idiot.

Maybe your Grandfather came from a long line of idiots and saw himself in you.

I bet you're Grandparents also said takes one to know one...

 

[La Dispute]

Need to get these wanky self-congratulating Richmond threads off the main board ASAP.

FWIW Paul Roos brought mindfulness in to the Swans prior to their 2012 premiership, and probably to Melbourne too, so Richmond aren’t the first club to embrace it as a performance tool/strategy.

 

[blaisee]

The one where the President is a figurehead that has nothing to do with football decisions outside having some possible input on a coach that leads to winning and flags.

I suggest you read this to educate yourself

The role Crowe played in Cotchin, Richmond turnaround

How the Tigers changed their mindset.

www.sen.com.au

 

[FRUMPY]

The AFL world is one dominated by Alpha males.

In this world, the culture breeds a reality were you must always put on a pretense of being strong, your only goal must be to win at all costs, you must try and ignore your pain and fears, talking about your feelings is weak. By some twist of fate, and by luck mostly, a woman for the first time in history is president of an AFL club. It is not a mere coincidence, that these feminine qualities of vulnerability have become a key priority and they have been prioritized by a woman, Peggy O'neal. Is it fair to say that this would not and could not have been embraced in the historically male oriented environment?

Authenticity
Vulnerability
Connection

driven as key prioirites of the club, owned and lived by the coach and the captain by Dimma and Cotch, on the direction of Peggy, through Benny has made all the difference.

The absence of a stoic male at the helm has opened up the opportunity to use these soft skills as a competitive advantage through

a purpose mindset - their belief in something
a connection mindset - authenticity , vulnerability
a performance mindset - not to be sabotaged by their fear of failure

All driven by Ben Crowe and Emma Murray

There is no doubt this strategy has worked, the question is, would a man at the helm have had the courage to actually endorse it ?

 

[Bostonian]

I suggest you read this to educate yourself

The role Crowe played in Cotchin, Richmond turnaround

How the Tigers changed their mindset.

www.sen.com.au

Says absolutely nothing about adding Prestia, Nankervis, Caddy etc at that time nor how that was the catalyst that turned their fortunes around on the field.

So forgive me if I prefer to go with the view that it was actual players that improved the squad's success.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You must be reading your world famous Richmond flip flop moods into my words.

You know, the tantys and throwing the baby out with the bath water thing you guys do when something goes wrong.

Our fan base isn't fickle or feral like yours.

We made a GF this year. I watched it, we got spanked.

Are you talking about the AFLW GF?

 

[Kappa]

The AFL world is one dominated by Alpha males.

In this world, the culture breeds a reality were you must always put on a pretense of being strong, your only goal must be to win at all costs, you must try and ignore your pain and fears, talking about your feelings is weak. By some twist of fate, and by luck mostly, a woman for the first time in history is president of an AFL club. It is not a mere coincidence, that these feminine qualities of vulnerability have become a key priority and they have been prioritized by a woman, Peggy O'neal. Is it fair to say that this would not and could not have been embraced in the historically male oriented environment?

Authenticity
Vulnerability
Connection

driven as key prioirites of the club, owned and lived by the coach and the captain by Dimma and Cotch, on the direction of Peggy, through Benny has made all the difference.

The absence of a stoic male at the helm has opened up the opportunity to use these soft skills as a competitive advantage through

a purpose mindset - their belief in something
a connection mindset - authenticity , vulnerability
a performance mindset - not to be sabotaged by their fear of failure

All driven by Ben Crowe and Emma Murray

There is no doubt this strategy has worked, the question is, would a man at the helm have had the courage to actually endorse it ?

Your grade 5 level of grammar probably says enough about the point you're trying to make.

A clearly sexist OP with a bunch of assumptions treated as facts when he has no idea what he's talking about.

Tell me OP, exactly how much do you know about the culture at the other 17 clubs?

Do you really think a president changes the culture of the playing group a substantial amount?

 

[Bostonian]

Are you talking about the AFLW GF?

Well I thought we were talking about women?

 

[Coach_Required]

Never have fans suffered an era when the afl's most dominant team of the time been as insufferable as the present. I long for the days when Hawthorn were winning premiership after premiership.

Come on dude, we all know what Carlton fans will be like if it happens.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Well I thought we were talking about women?

No, we were talking about success. More specifically, you said that the AFLW GF loss was the pinnacle of Carlton's success this century.

And before you get all argumentative about it, I actually agree with you.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Because people like you don't like the reality of it.

No its sad for you, and funny for me.

I assume its just coincidence that Richmond were poorly ran offield and hence had a poorly funded FD and were crap for the best part of 35 years, we turned it around offield then magically 4-5 years later we are a success. I'll give you a small hint there is no coincidence, I would have thought after the last 15 years Carlton supporters would get that hence why I found it funny.

 

[Ralll]

I'm not sure Peggy had much to do with mindfulness stuff, might have. But I think she was most instrumental in breaking up the boys club mentality, and allowing people to do their differing roles without the infighting that goes with the power ego's that get onto football boards that end up undermining the direction of the collective.

 

[theyellowsash]

So do you think that men and woman on average do not have different strengths and weaknesses?

Because if you do, this is not backed by science.

Men and women undoubtedly have different genetic strengths and weaknesses in a general level. However when it comes to a person intelligent enough to have been a lawyer in multiple fields and then CEO of a major company, that relatively minor stuff falls by the wayside.

People who make it that far and do what she has done have controlled their emotions, and allowed themselves to make both empathetic and tough decisions. People who don't learn to do that either don't get to that level, fail spectacularly, or are protected by outside forces (rich friends for example).

Men can be as equally empathetic as women, and women can be as equally tactless as men (using the standard example everyone likes to use). Peggy does not make company decisions based on her period, whether she is more emotional, whether she likes shopping, or any of those sorts of things that can be linked in some way to genetics.

 

[Bostonian]

No its sad for you, and funny for me.

I assume its just coincidence that Richmond were poorly ran offield and hence had a poorly funded FD and were crap for the best part of 35 years, we turned it around offield then magically 4-5 years later we are a success. I'll give you a small hint there is no coincidence, I would have thought after the last 15 years Carlton supporters would get that hence why I found it funny.

Upgrading from a few dud ruckmen in 2016 to a highly competent one in 2017 made a bigger difference than anything coming from the President.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Upgrading from a few dud ruckmen in 2016 to a highly competent one in 2017 made a bigger difference than anything coming from the President.

No it didnt.

Nank had hardly any influence this year and we still won, the offield success and stability had far more impact than any one player, hopefully your club is a bit smarter than their supporters in this regard or you'll have another 15 years in the wilderness.

 

[Grrr]

Need to get these wanky self-congratulating Richmond threads off the main board ASAP.

FWIW Paul Roos brought mindfulness in to the Swans prior to their 2012 premiership, and probably to Melbourne too, so Richmond aren’t the first club to embrace it as a performance tool/strategy.

The first part is fair enough, but you don't have to read it.
All clubs have been doing it up to a point I imagine, Richmond just embraced it further. Not only about Richmond, more the changing dynamics of modern football.

 

[Grrr]

We are talking about football clubs here, quite masculine places as a rule. I had a nephew drafted a few years back and the 'masculinity' pretty much forced him out. I think the OP's premise of having women in certain roles have made the Richmond football club a more rounded place.

Are you laughing at my nephew.... or the fact that women are rounder, which makes the football club more enjoyable sfellow sfellow.

 

[blaisee]

Men and women undoubtedly have different genetic strengths and weaknesses in a general level. However when it comes to a person intelligent enough to have been a lawyer in multiple fields and then CEO of a major company, that relatively minor stuff falls by the wayside.

People who make it that far and do what she has done have controlled their emotions, and allowed themselves to make both empathetic and tough decisions. People who don't learn to do that either don't get to that level, fail spectacularly, or are protected by outside forces (rich friends for example).

Men can be as equally empathetic as women, and women can be as equally tactless as men (using the standard example everyone likes to use). Peggy does not make company decisions based on her period, whether she is more emotional, whether she likes shopping, or any of those sorts of things that can be linked in some way to genetics.

Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

And you are wrong when you say men are as empathetic as women. Science does not agree

In this trait of agreeableness which includes empathy women are on average more empathetic than men.

This is the problem with this discussion, it is based on stuff that is just not true, and that is fundamentally counter-intuitive.

It is a wierd world when highlighting an inherently gender based competitive advantage is hijacked by virtue signaling people like you and turned into an insult in some weird bizarro world way.

Go clean your room.

 

[blaisee]

Says absolutely nothing about adding Prestia, Nankervis, Caddy etc at that time nor how that was the catalyst that turned their fortunes around on the field.

So forgive me if I prefer to go with the view that it was actual players that improved the squad's success.

you are forgiven

 

[La Dispute]

The first part is fair enough, but you don't have to read it.
All clubs have been doing it up to a point I imagine, Richmond just embraced it further. Not only about Richmond, more the changing dynamics of modern football.

Richmond haven’t done anything Sydney haven’t already implemented previously, and trying to the expound the extent of its effect is pure guesswork.

This is the kind of self-flaggelating flowery tosh that can be confined to the Richmond board.