Without a woman in charge, would Richmond have embraced mindfulness and been successful ?

[Captain chaos]

She doesnt work at the club and isnt there day to day so not so sure about the original question.

 

[estibador]

Mindfulness is a load of bollocks with no scientific basis supporting it (more than happy to have my mind changed - show me the research).

There's a ton of research out there supporting the positive effect of mindfulness. These are all from the first couple of pages of a quick google scholar search:

Inside the Mindful Mind: How Mindfulness Enhances Emotion Regulation Through Improvements in Executive Control

Neural mechanisms of symptom improvements in generalized anxiety disorder following mindfulness training

Mindfulness meditation improves cognition: Evidence of brief mental training

The neuroscience of mindfulness meditation

Mindfulness Training Improves Working Memory Capacity and GRE Performance While Reducing Mind Wandering

Weekly Change in Mindfulness and Perceived Stress in a Mindfulness‐Based Stress Reduction Program

Mindfulness Meditation and Improvement in Sleep Quality and Daytime Impairment Among Older Adults With Sleep Disturbances
A Randomized Clinical Trial

Increased Mindfulness Is Related to Improved Stress and Mood Following Participation in a Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Program in Individuals With Cancer

Mindfulness intervention for child abuse survivors

A Mindfulness Course Decreases Burnout and Improves Well-Being among Healthcare Providers

 

[Bicko]

most woman are better at those things than most men

This is a scientific fact . And anyone offended by it is ignorant

It is also scientific fact that women have a tendency to let the emotion control them, where as men have a better ability to identify the emotion but then tune out and use reason and logic instead of staying in the emotion. Talking less about emotions or being controlled by them is not a sign that one doesn’t understand or feel them.

 

[blaisee]

It is also scientific fact that women have a tendency to let the emotion control them, where as men have a better ability to identify the emotion but then tune out and use reason and logic instead of staying in the emotion. Talking less about emotions or being controlled by them is not a sign that one doesn’t understand or feel them.

Don’t think that’s a scientific fact at all .

 

[Tiger2709]

Never have fans suffered an era when the afl's most dominant team of the time been as insufferable as the present. I long for the days when Hawthorn were winning premiership after premiership.

I guess you werent around when Carlton last took a bow?

 

[Rusty Brookes]

There's a ton of research out there supporting the positive effect of mindfulness. These are all from the first couple of pages of a quick google scholar search:

Inside the Mindful Mind: How Mindfulness Enhances Emotion Regulation Through Improvements in Executive Control

Neural mechanisms of symptom improvements in generalized anxiety disorder following mindfulness training
Mindfulness meditation improves cognition: Evidence of brief mental training

The neuroscience of mindfulness meditation

Mindfulness Training Improves Working Memory Capacity and GRE Performance While Reducing Mind Wandering

Weekly Change in Mindfulness and Perceived Stress in a Mindfulness‐Based Stress Reduction Program

Mindfulness Meditation and Improvement in Sleep Quality and Daytime Impairment Among Older Adults With Sleep Disturbances
A Randomized Clinical Trial

Increased Mindfulness Is Related to Improved Stress and Mood Following Participation in a Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Program in Individuals With Cancer

Mindfulness intervention for child abuse survivors

A Mindfulness Course Decreases Burnout and Improves Well-Being among Healthcare Providers

Thanks for that. I appreciate the fact you've link to actual research papers.

There are some methodological problems with a number of those studies (most notably a lack of control group - a criticism which has been brought up numerous times regarding mindfulness studies ).

Here are some articles that doubt the efficacy of mindfulness.

Mind the Hype: A Critical Evaluation and Prescriptive Agenda for Research on Mindfulness and Meditation - PubMed

During the past two decades, mindfulness meditation has gone from being a fringe topic of scientific investigation to being an occasional replacement for psychotherapy, tool of corporate well-being, widely implemented educational practice, and "key to building more resilient soldiers." Yet the...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Where's the Proof That Mindfulness Meditation Works?

The ubiquitous technique for relieving stress and pain has remarkably little scientific evidence backing it, a group of scientists contend

www.scientificamerican.com

Mindfulness may have been over-hyped

Mindfulness meditation has been practiced for millennia – and today is a billion-dollar business. But how much does the practice really change our health?

www.bbc.com

There's also a number of suggestions that it is being used as a cure all for everything, when there's no evidence to support it's efficacy,

Does mindfulness work?

Reasonably convincing evidence in depression and anxiety Mindfulness has been defined as the process of paying attention to the present moment in a non-judgmental manner.1 In the early stages of mindfulness training, awareness of breathing is typically used as an attentional anchor to regulate...

www.bmj.com

So as far as I can tell, it's far from scientific consensus that mindfulness works or works as some claim. By all means, meditation may be useful for people in certain situations. I have absolutely no issue with that claim. Nor that it reduces stress for some people. But it's a big leap in logic to suggest, that it is THE cause for Richmond's success or that Richmond would not have succeeded without embracing it.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Great thread.

Just wanted to say that I think it's fair to heap the plaudits on the females in the industry in times of success, cause they are/will be the first to be scapegoated in the bad times.

 

[juss]

The AFL world is one dominated by Alpha males.

In this world, the culture breeds a reality were you must always put on a pretense of being strong, your only goal must be to win at all costs, you must try and ignore your pain and fears, talking about your feelings is weak. By some twist of fate, and by luck mostly, a woman for the first time in history is president of an AFL club. It is not a mere coincidence, that these feminine qualities of vulnerability have become a key priority and they have been prioritized by a woman, Peggy O'neal. Is it fair to say that this would not and could not have been embraced in the historically male oriented environment?

Authenticity
Vulnerability
Connection

driven as key prioirites of the club, owned and lived by the coach and the captain by Dimma and Cotch, on the direction of Peggy, through Benny has made all the difference.

The absence of a stoic male at the helm has opened up the opportunity to use these soft skills as a competitive advantage through

a purpose mindset - their belief in something
a connection mindset - authenticity , vulnerability
a performance mindset - not to be sabotaged by their fear of failure

All driven by Ben Crowe and Emma Murray

There is no doubt this strategy has worked, the question is, would a man at the helm have had the courage to actually endorse it ?

The fact that female(s) have been involved during a period of success I would argue is a correlation, but not causative.

Regardless of gender Richmond have an abundance of fantastic people working for and leading the club. We also happen to have some of the clubs all time great players since the 70s/80s coincidentally playing together that helps. Guys like Martin, Rance, Riewoldt probably make our team of the century.

I think masculinity is changing over time, but I think it's a fairly loose statement to imply our success could not be achieved without female influence. I think Peggy is amazing, and I love the values of our club around connection, love and vulnerability, but I think they are driven by a lot more than female presence.

In fact I would argue that regardless of gender, Neil Balme is probably the individual along with Gale, Dimma and Peggy that took us from a middling club to one that has achieved ultimate success. It is interesting that of those 4 individuals, you highlight the 1 female. I rate them all.

Mindfulness is great, but has been a buzz in the psychology world for close to a decade now, becoming much more prominent and practiced recently though. It's about presence predominantly, noticing and acceptance. While it has great benefits for many, I think it's only one of many factors contributing to our success. Even though we have a female practitioner that leads it at our club, again I think it's fairly loose to tie the success to some sort of feminine based philosophy.

I love that we have a female president, because she is capable. But I think she is capable and is also a female, rather than capable because she is a female. I probably tie our success more to other factors and its a stretch to me to tie it to gender.

 

[queensberryrules]

Its great to see Neil having evolved from a talented raw intelligent footballer with moments of "epiphany", many not caught on film, to a mature thoughtful embracing and clear thinking leader. He has the Midas touch, and while JR jokes he does fa around the club, he does a bit of everything.

It is worth reminding people who dont know, he was a very underrated footballer. There was a brief time when he, Ricky McLean and Mal Brown were together at the tiges, if that doesnt scare you, you're dead.

On SM-G955F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Grrr]

I can understand as a non Richmond supporter this thread is a jerk off, but success is success and open to analysis. Perhaps it should be on our board, but it is good to hear outside perspective.

Why was Richmond the club to take a chance on Stack and Pickett. Confidence in it's off field system would be a big part. This openness matra that Richmond have embraced has been a massive win, and has it's roots in the people at the top, from coaches to players to staff and management. Are other clubs doing it, you'd hope and think so, but it shows how footy is evolving. Having a women's team also must make the atmosphere at the club more enjoyable, if you can remember back to being a young bloke......

 

[Royce Hafey]

Thanks for that. I appreciate the fact you've link to actual research papers.

There are some methodological problems with a number of those studies (most notably a lack of control group - a criticism which has been brought up numerous times regarding mindfulness studies ).

Here are some articles that doubt the efficacy of mindfulness.

Mind the Hype: A Critical Evaluation and Prescriptive Agenda for Research on Mindfulness and Meditation - PubMed

During the past two decades, mindfulness meditation has gone from being a fringe topic of scientific investigation to being an occasional replacement for psychotherapy, tool of corporate well-being, widely implemented educational practice, and "key to building more resilient soldiers." Yet the...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Where's the Proof That Mindfulness Meditation Works?

The ubiquitous technique for relieving stress and pain has remarkably little scientific evidence backing it, a group of scientists contend

www.scientificamerican.com

Mindfulness may have been over-hyped

Mindfulness meditation has been practiced for millennia – and today is a billion-dollar business. But how much does the practice really change our health?

www.bbc.com

There's also a number of suggestions that it is being used as a cure all for everything, when there's no evidence to support it's efficacy,

Does mindfulness work?

Reasonably convincing evidence in depression and anxiety Mindfulness has been defined as the process of paying attention to the present moment in a non-judgmental manner.1 In the early stages of mindfulness training, awareness of breathing is typically used as an attentional anchor to regulate...

www.bmj.com

So as far as I can tell, it's far from scientific consensus that mindfulness works or works as some claim. By all means, meditation may be useful for people in certain situations. I have absolutely no issue with that claim. Nor that it reduces stress for some people. But it's a big leap in logic to suggest, that it is THE cause for Richmond's success or that Richmond would not have succeeded without embracing it.

I share the scepticism re mindfulness, but suspect it could also work as a sort of psychological equivalent of a placebo.

 

[Grrr]

I share the scepticism re mindfulness, but suspect it could also work as a sort of psychological equivalent of a placebo.

Is mindfulness not just a form of meditation, the benefits of which have been well established for '000 of years.

 

[Marcel Proust]

sounds like a load of crap to me

 

[Grrr]

sounds like a load of crap to me

any particular post, .... or the whole thread.

 

[GoldStandard]

Only Trump supporters believe men are better decision makers than women.

 

[juss]

Is mindfulness not just a form of meditation, the benefits of which have been well established for '000 of years.

Pretty much yes. But there are sort of different ways to practice it e.g. doing things mindfully vs mindfulness meditation.

Mindfulness is focussing on the present moment and observing/noticing and accepting what is happening. In theory and practice you can do anything mindfully, like you could go and take a dump mindfully, the key is in the conscious effort to focus on the present.

Mindfulness meditation which can lead to state of calm and less reactivity to emotional stressful situations is a little bit more focussed on the breath for example while noticing thoughts and emotions and just being with them until they change or pass. But again there are many ways to practice this.

For athletes, it can lead to a greater focus on the present while not getting lost in our internal noise or distractions, negative thoughts, etc.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Only Trump supporters believe men are better decision makers than women.

no women are best chess players fwiw

any particular post, .... or the whole thread.

mostly the mind-fullness part

as long as richmond keep winning flags but its fine by me

 

[MadMundy]

Only Trump supporters believe men are better decision makers than women.

Decision making has nothing to do with gender, there are bad male and female decision makers and good ones too, that's literally all it is.

 

[Grrr]

Only Trump supporters believe men are better decision makers than women.

yeah but Trump is a genius, he said so himself.

 

[Grrr]

no women are best chess players fwiw

Cos they're to busy doing the dishes.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Cos they're to busy doing the dishes.

many of the best ultra distance runners are women though

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

Marie curie: She was the first woman to win a Nobel Prize, is the first person and the only woman to win the Nobel prize twice, and is the only person to win the Nobel Prize in two different scientific fields

 

[Fadge]

Marie curie: She was the first woman to win a Nobel Prize, is the first person and the only woman to win the Nobel prize twice, and is the only person to win the Nobel Prize in two different scientific fields

But could she coach an AFL Club?

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

But could she coach an AFL Club?

any idiot could....Chris Scott.

oh wait, you meant successfully...my bad

 

[Stan Judkins]

How do you get that from Richmond had the best list and game plan for that season?

That's who wins GF's.

Was she in charge in 2018 when they went s**t?

your posts are bordering on Einstein levels ATM, long may the Blues supporters continue to bask in the last 25 glory years of success