Wizard Cup: Adelaide Vs St. Kilda

[vergs]

From a Saints fan's perspective this should be our likely line up -

B: Voss, Penny, Hudghton
HB: Goddard, Koschitzke, Jones
C: Black, Hayes, Dal Santo
HF: Hamill, Riewoldt, Powell
F: Milne, Gehrig, X.Clarke
R: Knobel, Harvey, Ball
Int: Maguire, Blake, Gram, Baker, Ferguson, Murray

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by vergs
From a Saints fan's perspective this should be our likely line up -

B: Voss, Penny, Hudghton
HB: Goddard, Koschitzke, Jones
C: Black, Hayes, Dal Santo
HF: Hamill, Riewoldt, Powell
F: Milne, Gehrig, X.Clarke
R: Knobel, Harvey, Ball
Int: Maguire, Blake, Gram, Baker, Ferguson, Murray

Interesting line-up.

Your forward line looks very strong and could trouble us without Smart and Hart.

In reverse, I think our forward line might well be too good for your defense, with Carey, Perrie, Stevens and Welsh all capable of creating chaos.

On paper we hold the edge in the mid-field, which might prove to be the difference - I can only hope.

It'll be a good game.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by dan warna
sure you'd like guys like the morans around still.

good thing they are dead

one can only hope their whole 'posse' gets cleaned up.

lol
who is this freak? and were his parents brother and sister.

 

[maccas_no1]

Originally posted by dan warna
As long as that skank carey breaks his kneck I don't care. he is filth.

Um I think it is time to build a bridge and 'GET OVER IT'

TOOL

 

[lozstar]

Originally posted by dan warna
sure you'd like guys like the morans around still.

good thing they are dead

one can only hope their whole 'posse' gets cleaned up.

... and that has exactly what to do with this game?

pfft. tool.

 

[Munga]

this is how i think the saints will line up

F________Milne_____Gehrig____Clarke
HF_______Hamill____Riewoldt__Goddard
C________Dal Santo_Hayes____Ball
HB_______Jones____Maguire___Voss
B________Baker____Hudghton__Penny
Foll______Knobel____Harvey___Powell
Int from__Gram_____Murray___Blake____Stone___Thompson___Black

I think this will be a great game. One day to go!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Match comittee has me p|ssed off again.

OUT: Ladhams, Clarke, Begley and wait for it





Schuback

Some things never change. I still can't figure out that a bloke who has had a poor pre-season, who came back from Christmas break overweight and lost some fitness gets a game insted of a bloke who worked his backside off in the pre-season and is the future of the club. What ****es me off even more that Schuey has had a much better game in the trial than a bloke who got a game insted of him.

Some things never change. Fair dinkum, do we ever learn??????

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Munga
this is how i think the saints will line up

F________Milne_____Gehrig____Clarke
HF_______Hamill____Riewoldt__Goddard
C________Dal Santo_Hayes____Ball
HB_______Jones____Maguire___Voss
B________Baker____Hudghton__Penny
Foll______Knobel____Harvey___Powell
Int from__Gram_____Murray___Blake____Stone___Thompson___Black

I think this will be a great game. One day to go!

Kosi not playing??????

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Match comittee has me p|ssed off again.

OUT: Ladhams, Clarke, Begley and wait for it





Schuback

Some things never change. I still can't figure out that a bloke who has had a poor pre-season, who came back from Christmas break overweight and lost some fitness gets a game insted of a bloke who worked his backside off in the pre-season and is the future of the club. What ****es me off even more that Schuey has had a much better game in the trial than a bloke who got a game insted of him.

Some things never change. Fair dinkum, do we ever learn??????

As I said recently Burns is a lot better that some would have you believe - I'm a fan of sorts.
Having said that I agree Schuback should have got a run, but Stiffy, not playing in the Wizard opener is not the end of his career or his 2004 season.

Hopefully it makes him even more determined in his trial with local club?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
OUT: Ladhams, Clarke, Begley and wait for it
]

Begley was also apparently flying during PS, so he is also entitled to be a bit anoyed.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Match comittee has me p|ssed off again.

OUT: Ladhams, Clarke, Begley and wait for it





Schuback

Some things never change. I still can't figure out that a bloke who has had a poor pre-season, who came back from Christmas break overweight and lost some fitness gets a game insted of a bloke who worked his backside off in the pre-season and is the future of the club. What ****es me off even more that Schuey has had a much better game in the trial than a bloke who got a game insted of him.

Some things never change. Fair dinkum, do we ever learn??????

Can't disagree with you Stiffy. I was told earlier today that this would be the case, and I thought, nah that's got to be bullsh*t!!

Schuback did well against Glenelg and was one of the few that had a good game. Burns played on the wing and was pretty ordinary.

Schuback's on the way up. Burns is on the way down.

Defies all logic.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Begley was also apparently flying during PS, so he is also entitled to be a bit anoyed.

He's got every right to be there before Burns as well. He's had a top pre-season, and was played out of position against Glenelg as an on-baller. He did get a lot of the ball himself in that game but didn't check, which might have cost him playing this week.

He's a wingman or HB flanker, not an on-baller. I would have had him in my 24 well before Burns.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Does anyone have the final list of 24 for tomorrows game?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Adelaide
2 Wayne Carey
3 Kris Massie
5 Ronnie Burns
8 Nathan Bassett
9 Tyson Edwards
10 Matthew Bode
12 Robert Shirley
13 Ben Hudson
14 Hayden Skipworth
16 Ken McGregor
17 Scott Welsh
18 Graham Johncock
20 Tyson Stenglein
21 James Gallagher
22 Ian Perrie
23 Andrew McLeod
24 Brett Burton
25 Ben Rutten
27 Scott Stevens
32 Mark Ricciuto
33 Brent Reilly
35 Rhett Biglands
36 Simon Goodwin
37 Trent Hentschel

Words around the trap is that Hentschel has been pencilled in for a FB position this year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
As I said recently Burns is a lot better that some would have you believe - I'm a fan of sorts.
Having said that I agree Schuback should have got a run, but Stiffy, not playing in the Wizard opener is not the end of his career or his 2004 season.

Hopefully it makes him even more determined in his trial with local club?

But surely you would play your best youngsters that have had a good pre-season and have some senior SANFL experience behind them insted of a bloke most likely in his final year and hasn't had a very good season the the last couple of years.

Isn't pre-season comp about trying youngsters to get their confidence up and see what they can offer during the year??????

 

[ClintEastwood]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
lol
who is this freak? and were his parents brother and sister.

LOL...I just dropped in in the middle of this thread..and that made me laugh

I might head off again now...it's smelly in here.

Seeya in the Showdown.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
But surely you would play your best youngsters that have had a good pre-season and have some senior SANFL experience behind them insted of a bloke most likely in his final year and hasn't had a very good season the the last couple of years.

Isn't pre-season comp about trying youngsters to get their confidence up and see what they can offer during the year??????

Yes I agree with where your coming from, however I think it depends on a) where the club believes its flags chances are; this year or 2-3 years down the track, b)attitude to Wizard Cup, c) how it see the management of its players.

Ronnie will be played if the club believes it is a chance this year.
Schuback will get Wizard Cup opportunities IMO - we could have another 3 Wizard games left.
Still time to get him in b4 the season, but also a chance to build Ronnies confidence coming into the season as well.
As I said, his class should not be under estimated.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Adelaide
2 Wayne Carey
3 Kris Massie
5 Ronnie Burns
8 Nathan Bassett
9 Tyson Edwards
10 Matthew Bode
12 Robert Shirley
13 Ben Hudson
14 Hayden Skipworth
16 Ken McGregor
17 Scott Welsh
18 Graham Johncock
20 Tyson Stenglein
21 James Gallagher
22 Ian Perrie
23 Andrew McLeod
24 Brett Burton
25 Ben Rutten
27 Scott Stevens
32 Mark Ricciuto
33 Brent Reilly
35 Rhett Biglands
36 Simon Goodwin
37 Trent Hentschel

There are 7 players here who IMO are borderline being in our side consistently for this season.
And with Ladhams, Clarke, Smart, Hart, Begley, Schuback, on the sidelines, and 2 to bring the matchday team back to 22.
Really its not a bad sign of the strength of our list, and means that each week they're going to be some unlucky players miss out.
You will not want to play badly, because you may not get a second chance, unless there's an injury.

I think Ronnie deserves first crack, Gallagher and Skippy, have been shown some confidence by the match comittee, and Rutten is getting a go due M.Stevens predicament (Rutten V S.Stevens)

Hentschell, well I'm going on what everyone has said about his lack of weight gain, and given that can't see him staying at FB too long. But gee I'll be the first to applaud him if he comes through, the same as I did with Perrie.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Hentschell, well I'm going on what everyone has said about his lack of weight gain, and given that can't see him staying at FB too long. But gee I'll be the first to applaud him if he comes through, the same as I did with Perrie.

I have seen him for the first time this year in the trial against Norwood and he HAS put on a fair bit. According to Darren Jarman on radio today, Hentschel has put on 6 or 7 kilos since last year. Trust me you can see it. You will see it 2moro. He is not skinny anymore, although, I would like him to put on a bit more. He looks bigger than Bassett to me.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
There are 7 players here who IMO are borderline being in our side consistently for this season.
And with Ladhams, Clarke, Smart, Hart, Begley, Schuback, on the sidelines, and 2 to bring the matchday team back to 22.
Really its not a bad sign of the strength of our list, and means that each week they're going to be some unlucky players miss out.
You will not want to play badly, because you may not get a second chance, unless there's an injury.

I think Ronnie deserves first crack, Gallagher and Skippy, have been shown some confidence by the match comittee, and Rutten is getting a go due M.Stevens predicament (Rutten V S.Stevens)

There is no question that ew have some decent depth on our list which is a good thing as it will provide some real competition for spots.

I would have prefered Scuback over Ronnie. I am still not happy with that decision.Both Gags and Skippy played well and deserve to be there which is more than we can say for Ronnie. I am sure if Stevo of the Mark variety was fit he would be playing insted of Hentschel. As far as Rutten Vs S. Stevens goes, I think S. Stevens is a fair bit in front of Rutten. S. Stevens is a bit of unorthodox tall forward. He is more of a flanker than KPP and with Perrie and Carey playing in KPs, Scotty fits into our structure better. If we played with Rutten, Perrie, Carey and Welsh it would make us somewhat top heavy. Rutten is not very good on a flank because of his lack of mobility and speed.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I have seen him for the first time this year in the trial against Norwood and he HAS put on a fair bit. According to Darren Jarman on radio today, Hentschel has put on 6 or 7 kilos since last year. Trust me you can see it. You will see it 2moro. He is not skinny anymore, although, I would like him to put on a bit more. He looks bigger than Bassett to me.

We'll see tomorrow whether he has settled down emotionally, and play composed footy

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
There is no question that ew have some decent depth on our list which is a good thing as it will provide some real competition for spots.

I would have prefered Scuback over Ronnie. I am still not happy with that decision.Both Gags and Skippy played well and deserve to be there which is more than we can say for Ronnie. I am sure if Stevo of the Mark variety was fit he would be playing insted of Hentschel. As far as Rutten Vs S. Stevens goes, I think S. Stevens is a fair bit in front of Rutten. S. Stevens is a bit of unorthodox tall forward. He is more of a flanker than KPP and with Perrie and Carey playing in KPs, Scotty fits into our structure better. If we played with Rutten, Perrie, Carey and Welsh it would make us somewhat top heavy. Rutten is not very good on a flank because of his lack of mobility and speed.

If you remember the big complaint coming from the Sydney board was also S.Stevens lack of pace or ability to consistently get to the fall of the ball.
Will be interested in your views of Rutten V S.Stevens in that area of the game.

 

[macca23]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
There is no question that ew have some decent depth on our list which is a good thing as it will provide some real competition for spots.

I would have prefered Scuback over Ronnie. I am still not happy with that decision.Both Gags and Skippy played well and deserve to be there which is more than we can say for Ronnie. I am sure if Stevo of the Mark variety was fit he would be playing insted of Hentschel. As far as Rutten Vs S. Stevens goes, I think S. Stevens is a fair bit in front of Rutten. S. Stevens is a bit of unorthodox tall forward. He is more of a flanker than KPP and with Perrie and Carey playing in KPs, Scotty fits into our structure better. If we played with Rutten, Perrie, Carey and Welsh it would make us somewhat top heavy. Rutten is not very good on a flank because of his lack of mobility and speed.

As Wayne's-World said we have Ladhams, Clarke, Smart, Hart, Begley, Schuback, on the sidelines, and 2 to bring the matchday team back to 22. We do have depth.

Given the players not selected for one reason or another, the only point in dispute is Burns for Schuback, which won't affect the result of the game.

Scott Stevens mobility puts him a long way in front of Rutten. You couldn't play Rutten on a HFF. Stevens is going to worry a few sides because they'll need a tall out on a HBF which could expose them.

As for Hentschel Stiffy, he's a fair bit taller than Bassett but I wouldn't think he's any stronger. He has put a bit of muscle on but a little more wouldn't hurt. I still see him as the 3rd tall down back rather than the FB at this stage, although he could end up as the FB in time.

 

[macca23]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
If you remember the big complaint coming from the Sydney board was also S.Stevens lack of pace or ability to consistently get to the fall of the ball.
Will be interested in your views of Rutten V S.Stevens in that area of the game.

That certainly didn't show out against Norwood. Either he's improved in that area or it was just the lesser opposition.

He's a lot more mobile than Ben Rutten though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Adelaide
2 Wayne Carey
3 Kris Massie
5 Ronnie Burns
8 Nathan Bassett
9 Tyson Edwards
10 Matthew Bode
12 Robert Shirley
13 Ben Hudson
14 Hayden Skipworth
16 Ken McGregor
17 Scott Welsh
18 Graham Johncock
20 Tyson Stenglein
21 James Gallagher
22 Ian Perrie
23 Andrew McLeod
24 Brett Burton
25 Ben Rutten
27 Scott Stevens
32 Mark Ricciuto
33 Brent Reilly
35 Rhett Biglands
36 Simon Goodwin
37 Trent Hentschel

A concer I had last year was the midfield pace, and the general team pace, at stages last year.
Looking through the list we still lack some genuine speed in the midfield. Shirley, Skipworth, Bode, Stenglein, still IMO lack sufficient pace, and delivery skills. We'll see if things have picked up.