Wizard Cup: Adelaide Vs St. Kilda

[macca23]

Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
A concer I had last year was the midfield pace, and the general team pace, at stages last year.
Looking through the list we still lack some genuine speed in the midfield. Shirley, Skipworth, Bode, Stenglein, still IMO lack sufficient pace, and delivery skills. We'll see if things have picked up.

That's a very good point, although you do need a mix of players in the mid-field. Pacy ones are just part of the overall scheme as you need in and under types, don't argue types, taggers etc. Macca has more acceleration than most, but I wouldn't mind one more with overall electrifying speed thrown in there.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by macca23
Given the players not selected for one reason or another, the only point in dispute is Burns for Schuback, which won't affect the result of the game.

It definetly won't affect the result but in all honesty who would you rather play in a Wizard Cup game. I would pick Schuey everytime. Schuey can also play as a midfielder something Ronnie can only dream of.

Scott Stevens mobility puts him a long way in front of Rutten. You couldn't play Rutten on a HFF. Stevens is going to worry a few sides because they'll need a tall out on a HBF which could expose them.

I agree 100%. Rutten is a lot slower than Scott and mobility doesn't even come close to Scott's

As for Hentschel Stiffy, he's a fair bit taller than Bassett but I wouldn't think he's any stronger. He has put a bit of muscle on but a little more wouldn't hurt. I still see him as the 3rd tall down back rather than the FB at this stage, although he could end up as the FB in time.

I agree that he needs a bit more muscle. I would also play him as a 3rd tall preferably on HBF where he can provide some run of the backlines. He has one of the best disposals by foot on out team and I honestly think we can benefit from his delivery to the forwards. I don't know if you listened to Fudd on 5AA today but he compared Hentschel's hanballing skills to McLeod's Thats a HUGE wrap as macca is one of the best handballs in the comp. He said they take each other on in one on one handballing drills. In time with a bit more muscle he could play any of the key positions (parhaps not CHF). He could also play on the flanks (even wing). He is a very versatile player. Time will tell where he plays but I think he has the potential to play just about anywhere.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
A concer I had last year was the midfield pace, and the general team pace, at stages last year.
Looking through the list we still lack some genuine speed in the midfield. Shirley, Skipworth, Bode, Stenglein, still IMO lack sufficient pace, and delivery skills. We'll see if things have picked up.

I don't know if you can put Skippy in the slow category as he was in top 15 in sprints tests at the draft camp. Now that can either mean that draft pool of 2001 was really slow or he is not slow. Considering that the likes of Motlop, S. Burgoyne and Johncock are from the same draft, I would say that Skippy is not slow.

I do agree that a bit more pace would be very handy. Thats one of the reasons I would have played Schuback in the side. At the draft time I think we really need to look at some quick midifelders who CAN play. A quality young ruckman would also be handy.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I don't know if you can put Skippy in the slow category as he was in top 15 in sprints tests at the draft camp. Now that can either mean that draft pool of 2001 was really slow or he is not slow. Considering that the likes of Motlop, S. Burgoyne and Johncock are from the same draft, I would say that Skippy is not slow.

I do agree that a bit more pace would be very handy. Thats one of the reasons I would have played Schuback in the side. At the draft time I think we really need to look at some quick midifelders who CAN play. A quality young ruckman would also be handy.

If thats top 15%, what % of the 2001 were midfielders, say 25%, which makes him "average". Thats about how I would classify his pace level "average".
Addidng Johncock to the midfield rotation with Macca, and with Reilly and Burton on the wings certainly helps our pace around the midfield, but your right, one more "speedy" midfielder wouldn't go astray.
Unfortunately who do we have in the cupboard that fits the mould, really only Schuback.

Over here Melbourne are going Ga Ga over Aaron Davey (picked up in PS draft), saying his speed is going to make a "real" difference to the demons midfield mix. It really gets me how all clubs tell us how good a players going to be after every club bypassed him in the National Draft, to then pick him up in the PS draft. If they knew he was that good, why didn't they pick him up in the main draft. Fact is its either 1) club hype for memberships or 2) they really don't know what their doing

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
If thats top 15%, what % of the 2001 were midfielders, say 25%, which makes him "average". Thats about how I would classify his pace level "average".
Addidng Johncock to the midfield rotation with Macca, and with Reilly and Burton on the wings certainly helps our pace around the midfield, but your right, one more "speedy" midfielder wouldn't go astray.
Unfortunately who do we have in the cupboard that fits the mould, really only Schuback.

Over here Melbourne are going Ga Ga over Aaron Davey (picked up in PS draft), saying his speed is going to make a "real" difference to the demons midfield mix. It really gets me how all clubs tell us how good a players going to be after every club bypassed him in the National Draft, to then pick him up in the PS draft. If they knew he was that good, why didn't they pick him up in the main draft. Fact is its either 1) club hype for memberships or 2) they really don't know what their doing

Not top 15%. Its top 15. If my memory serves me correctly his 20m sprint time was 2.94 sec (I am not 100% sure on his time but he did screen very well in sprtints). The reason he dropped down to pick 54 was of his size. He was only 174 cm and 65 kg. A lot of clubs overlooked him for that reason.

Aaron Davey is probably the most overrated footballer to be drafted last year. I would probably get carried away with the hype if I didn't see him play with Port Adelaide Magpies a couple of years ago. All of a sudden 10 VFL games make him an instant AFL star. His only good attribute is his pace. He does have pace to burn but he is hopelessly one sided. Looks lost in the midfield and is so much of an "outside" player its not funny. Doesn't chase, doesn't tackle but can kick a goal. He is really only a goalsneak in the MIlne mould where he can be damaging around goals but can't do anything else. Give me Harry Miller any time.

 

[Munga]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Kosi not playing??????

I hope not. A question mark over his back, I wouldn't risk him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Aaron Davey is probably the most overrated footballer to be drafted last year. I would probably get carried away with the hype if I didn't see him play with Port Adelaide Magpies a couple of years ago. All of a sudden 10 VFL games make him an instant AFL star. His only good attribute is his pace. He does have pace to burn but he is hopelessly one sided. Looks lost in the midfield and is so much of an "outside" player its not funny. Doesn't chase, doesn't tackle but can kick a goal. He is really only a goalsneak in the MIlne mould where he can be damaging around goals but can't do anything else. Give me Harry Miller any time.

Just watching Harry Miller playing for Hawthorn, he's looking pretty impressive. Not out of his depth, but thats not hard when you look at how Hawthorns playing.
Too much pussy footing around, cute football. Brown is killing them. Give me strong physical KPP - they will win you games and create opportunities around them

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Words around the trap is that Hentschel has been pencilled in for a FB position this year.

More reason why we have to trial him on the likes of Gehrig in the pre-season games before we get to the real stuff.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Match comittee has me p|ssed off again.

OUT: Ladhams, Clarke, Begley and wait for it

Schuback

Some things never change. I still can't figure out that a bloke who has had a poor pre-season, who came back from Christmas break overweight and lost some fitness gets a game insted of a bloke who worked his backside off in the pre-season and is the future of the club. What ****es me off even more that Schuey has had a much better game in the trial than a bloke who got a game insted of him.

Some things never change. Fair dinkum, do we ever learn??????

Agree with you Stiffy. Schuey demanded a place in today's game with his performance in the trial game. Mystifying decision.

 

[tribey]

Go Crows

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Go Crows

Huh? It's not like we are playing Port...

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Huh? It's not like we are playing Port...

SO - if you guys arnt playing against brizzie i will hope the crows win. It's just if the crows beat port, collywobbles and effndon, its even better!!!

Seeya in the Semi's - thats if you beat saints and tigers (which U will) and we beat effendon (which is unlikly)!

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Agree with you Stiffy. Schuey demanded a place in today's game with his performance in the trial game. Mystifying decision.

Why the hell would we play Burns ahead of Schuback ? It makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
More reason why we have to trial him on the likes of Gehrig in the pre-season games before we get to the real stuff.

I thought he did well on Kosi and Hamill today.

 

[macca23]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Adelaide & St. Kilda Squads

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I thought he did well on Kosi and Hamill today.

Very pleased with Hentschel today - one of the few good things to come from thegame. He got better and better as the game went along and had a great last quarter.

Well done Trent - this could be the breakthrough game.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by macca23
Very pleased with Hentschel today - one of the few good things to come from thegame. He got better and better as the game went along and had a great last quarter.

Well done Trent - this could be the breakthrough game.

I was very happy with his game. He always playes better when he is played further up the ground a bit not as a true FB. Apart from a couple "get out of jail" plays he did I really liked a couple of his marks. One was against Kosi who pushed him out of position but Hentsch put his long arms up and took the mark with the flight of the ball. The other one was in 3rd QTR agaist Hamill where he waited just for the right moment to give Hamill a bit of a shove and took an easy mark. The boy reads the play well.

Some very encouraging signs from our youngsters in particular Hentschel and Reilly (Can't really class Hudson as a youngster)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I was very happy with his game. He always playes better when he is played further up the ground a bit not as a true FB. Apart from a couple "get out of jail" plays he did I really liked a couple of his marks. The boy reads the play well.

Some very encouraging signs from our youngsters in particular Hentschel and Reilly (Can't really class Hudson as a youngster)

Yeah, I can't understand for the life of me why some members of this board have been critical of him.
It's obvious to us supporters of Hentschell that he has what it takes.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Yeah, I can't understand for the life of me why some members of this board have been critical of him.
It's obvious to us supporters of Hentschell that he has what it takes.

macca23 did you just crack Wayne's-World's password??????

Coming around are we??????

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
macca23 did you just crack Wayne's-World's password??????

Coming around are we??????

I was always onboard, you must have mis-read my posts

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I was always onboard, you must have mis-read my posts

Seriously what did you think how did our youngstres/new recruits go??????

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18


Seriously what did you think how did our youngstres/new recruits go??????

Gallagher- very impressive, tried defensively and midfield, made every possession count, great attack on the ball, plenty of run out of defence.
S.Stevens - seemed completely lost - will reserve my opinion
Reilly Ive stated all class - will stay with my comment re Voss - did some very smart things today, and is playing with some agression.
Hentshell Big step today - would have given his confidence a boost. Liked his coolness under pressure, which wasn't there last season. Took a couple of good grabs.
Hudson Gee if effort counts for anything - I have said that if he has the Arobic fitness? he could play KPP other than ruck, ang give us a real physical prescence.
Skipworth The 2 goals he kicked can give you a false impression, but I thought he really struggled in the midfield. Did his best work as a small forward, crumbing. I think a good SANFL player who will struggle to take the next step.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Gallagher- very impressive, tried defensively and midfield, made every possession count, great attack on the ball, plenty of run out of defence.

Would you have the same opinion if you were told his opponent was Xavier Clarke?????? He did well offensively and used the ball very well but his opponent really gave us trouble

S.Stevens - seemed completely lost - will reserve my opinion

Ditto

Reilly Ive stated all class - will stay with my comment re Voss - did some very smart things today, and is playing with some agression.

Not sure about Voss comparison but a very good player in the making

Hentshell Big step today - would have given his confidence a boost. Liked his coolness under pressure, which wasn't there last season. Took a couple of good grabs.

Coming around are we?

Hudson Gee if effort counts for anything - I have said that if he has the Arobic fitness? he could play KPP other than ruck, ang give us a real physical prescence.

Aerobic fitness is a major concern but his effort is 1st class. Fast becoming one of my favourite players. I wonder how would he go on Lynch at FB?

Skipworth The 2 goals he kicked can give you a false impression, but I thought he really struggled in the midfield. Did his best work as a small forward, crumbing. I think a good SANFL player who will struggle to take the next step.

Did a couple of nice things especially around goals. He could be a handy small forward but his opponent killed us. Aussie Jones had far too much room and was under no pressure from Skippy. I would still play him befoer Burns but Schuback would get in my team before either of them

 

[noddy]

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Originally posted by macca23
Very pleased with Hentschel today - one of the few good things to come from thegame. He got better and better as the game went along and had a great last quarter.

Well done Trent - this could be the breakthrough game.

Must admit i was not a Hentschel fan up until today but to me he was one of the rare pluses from an otherwise forgettable performance by the Crows, the only negative i can remember about his game was his desire to hold onto the ball after a mark & look for the short option (mind he was not alone) hopefully with Hart & Smart to come back into the side the back lines will have the necessary experience & leadership in the back half to guide him.

Very disappointed in the leadership qualities of N Bassett yesterday & felt he missed a good opportunity to show what he has in that regard.

 

[noddy]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Gallagher- very impressive, tried defensively and midfield, made every possession count, great attack on the ball, plenty of run out of defence.
S.Stevens - seemed completely lost - will reserve my opinion
Reilly Ive stated all class - will stay with my comment re Voss - did some very smart things today, and is playing with some agression.
Hentshell Big step today - would have given his confidence a boost. Liked his coolness under pressure, which wasn't there last season. Took a couple of good grabs.
Hudson Gee if effort counts for anything - I have said that if he has the Arobic fitness? he could play KPP other than ruck, ang give us a real physical prescence.
Skipworth The 2 goals he kicked can give you a false impression, but I thought he really struggled in the midfield. Did his best work as a small forward, crumbing. I think a good SANFL player who will struggle to take the next step.

Gallagher = showed a bit of flair & run from the back lines but as Stiffy said he seemed to forget he had an opponent to worry about.

S Stevens = will need a few games to make his mark.

Reilly = why wasn't this kid on sooner, oodles class.

Hentschel = have started to eat some humble pie.

Hudson = a real trier & in time will improve his all-round skills.

Skipworth = might have kicked a couple of goals but to slow to move the ball & lacks the poise & skill needed for the AFL just yet.

 

[RaDaR ReiLLy]

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Originally posted by noddy

Reilly = why wasn't this kid on sooner, oodles class.

My argument all day yesterday. Hardly saw a wink from him apart from those two goals. I don't think is performance was that encouraging- it might've been if they'd actually put him on the field for longer.

A half from a guy whos been given big wraps throughout the pre season just isnt good enough.

Wake up Gary.

The same goes for Schuback. Given big wraps but doesnt even get a game in the pre season cup. Pathetic

And Gary promised 2004 would be the year he'd blood some youngsters. Lets see, Schuback didnt get a crack, Reilly barely played the game and Ruttens form on the bench was just fantastic

Lets sack Gary!