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Wojcinski
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Firstly , I hate the way this thread has got a little personal , guys lets respect the opinions of others , it would be boring as dog*** if everyone agreed.
CE , I think you almost grasped my drift although I never said he had great talent. In essence , it was that I disliked that some players , the ones blessed some form of natural talent that then don’t work on their skills that are not as easily obtained for them. I might be wrong , it wouldn't be the first time , but Wojo to me has relied on his leg speed and hasn't worked on his finishing as much as he could have. However even though last two weeks haven't been perfect , he has shanked the odd one , generally his kicking has been good and I liked the way he kicked the ball at goal the end of his runs. His drive and breaking of the lines usually outweighs his poor disposal , Id much rather him to be at least trying to do something than to be a stay at home, make no mistakes player. If you aren’t making mistakes then you probably aren’t trying hard enough
On the whole issue of him not being defensive, Id say if he has been encouraged to take chance , to make things happen , team mates should help out with some of the neg. consequences. I’d say if we can keep our forwardline open and marking it will be less an issue. Its all part of the same package , If the balls turns over or rebounded thru a spilt mark then he will look like a dill but the better forwards we have the more the ball is retained the more its make him look damaging.
catempire
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Yep, I knew what you meant Turbo. I'm not sure I agree. We couldn't possibly know how hard he has worked on his kicking. Some players work at an area of their game enlessly but never get any better. That's because players have natural limitations. I get the feeling Wojcinski is a limited player but by the sounds of it he has worked hard to get where he is now. That's good news.
On the topic of the thread getting personal, it's unfortunate yes. But I will always stand my ground when I am being attacked or when my view has been misrepresented. I was only defending myself in that respect.
He needs to play like he did on Saturday night more consistently..
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Monica pwns your slow midfielders 
Did you know Monica scored less than Bryce Gibbs in that Super Coach thing?
they are both in my team but bryce is a reserve
they are both in my team but bryce is a reserve
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This thread needs to be revisited in 4-6 rounds time, maybe even further. I'll be happy to be proven wrong about his disposal, defensive abilities an especially his consistency if he improves in these areas. Its just too early, and a very long season.
Personally, I was standing my ground as well, and I have not deliberately gone out to misrepresent your opinion. My apologies if it has been construed that way.
We both are pretty stern in our opinions of him...
Did anyone hear Sheahan's comments about him on 'On the Couch'? I swear he has read this thread. Haha!
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Did you know Monica scored less than Bryce Gibbs in that Super Coach thing?
they are both in my team but bryce is a reserve
Gibbs scored with tackles, Wojcinski had none (defensive?). Gibbs had 15 kicks Wojcinski had 9. Kicks score twice as much as handballs if effective.
Some players will score well even if not looking like doing so. Everyone should take a look at Supercoach stats from time to time... it may suprise you what is considered as important stat wise, but not by the naked eye / average fan.
Eg.. Scarlett scored very low. 5 clangers(hurts badly). You wouldn't know it though. He scored very low.
Eg.. Josh Hunt scores well consistantly. Lots of tackles, effective disposals, rebound 50 marks etc.. Great 1% player.
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Well, minus the clangers, Scarlett would have actually scored pretty well rather than badly... thats the difference effective possessions make. Owning your opponent or not, he still had 20 touches, which should have equated to a higher score than what he managed. This being the reason I used him as an example. Hunt for the same reason. I noticed people didn't have Hunt in their bests, although he was very effective..
Well, having briefly skimmed through the earlier posts of this thread, I think it's fair to say it all comes down to strengths vs weaknesses. A classic case, maybe, of whether we're willing to put up with the deficiences of Bomber's game in order to take on the dynamic offensive displays. Simple as that, really. You can argue both sides of the coin, but ultimately it's hard to come up with anything so decisive.
To state my view, I've never been Woj's biggest fan; whilst his best play is often breathtaking, the dynamic nature of it all has also always been too erratic, and too error-filled with the little perks that **** the fan in everyone. That said, he's impressed me thus far to the extent where I'm gradually shifting over.
Talk of his defensive shortcomings and dodgy kicking is still spot-on to an extent, but thus far he's yet to let the deficiency overtake the strength. I still believe a permanent role in the midfield (as opposed to defence) should beckon, particularly to address the entire Wojcinski debate (essentially where his breaking of the lines and long, penetrating kicks are most damaging [deep in the F50, as opposed to the midfield coming from defense..], and his defensive liability is least exposed).
To state my view, I've never been Woj's biggest fan; whilst his best play is often breathtaking, the dynamic nature of it all has also always been too erratic, and too error-filled with the little perks that **** the fan in everyone. That said, he's impressed me thus far to the extent where I'm gradually shifting over.
Talk of his defensive shortcomings and dodgy kicking is still spot-on to an extent, but thus far he's yet to let the deficiency overtake the strength. I still believe a permanent role in the midfield (as opposed to defence) should beckon, particularly to address the entire Wojcinski debate (essentially where his breaking of the lines and long, penetrating kicks are most damaging [deep in the F50, as opposed to the midfield coming from defense..], and his defensive liability is least exposed).
catempire
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I suppose it's about expectations and roles within the team.
A big part of why Hunt is in the team is for his kicking. He should be hitting targets with regularity so when he achieves it people are not impressed.
Scarlett's job in the team is one of the toughest on the ground - stopping the full forward kick goals. He did that job perfectly - Fevola kicked none. Even if Fevola had got two or three it's still break-even. So to keep him to none is impressive.
Pretty good summary.
Would you play Woja on Davey this week? He has the pace but as has been mentioned his accountability often is not great. Cannot see to many other options in matching his pace. Maybe you have to look outside the square and play just a better footballer on him like Milburn?
To an extent, yes. You would like to think eventually the errors will eradicate and continuously striving to improve the difference. IMO, it is not merely positives outweighing negatives, it is having as little errors as possible.
Not talking about Bomber Wojcinski here, just in general.
Pace-wise, Davey has it over Dash. Maybe Wojcinski, so long as he is accountable.
Davey is out of form.
catempire
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THere's an obvious temptation to try Wojcinski because of the pace factor.
But I think that goes against everything we've been discussing in this thread. His clear strength is in breaking the lines, using his pace (in an attacking manner) and kicking long into our forward line.
Giving him a run with role negates the strength of his game. As mentioned, there are question marks over his ability to play a defensive role well.
If David Johnson comes up I'd like to see him have a go.
One from left field would be Djerrukura. It would be a big ask but it's not a bad time to get Davey.
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Good post. Agree with the Bomber part. It is probably a DJ job if he is right to play.
He might go back to the VFL, though.
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Yes.. Scarlett played very, very well. And the point I made is a weakness in the scoring system, and something to consider when selecting a supercoach team. Scarlett is possibly the only defender to keep Fev to none and get 20 touches?? Champion player!
I like your point about Hunt too. The high expectations on his kicking means everyone jumps on his back when he makes errors, which is rare anyway.
The bottom line is that our defense is sensational, and if Wojcinski can add to it and maintain his current form, we will be very hard to beat.
Good point regarding the change in role. I was thinking that if you match him up directly with Davey then Davey is also directly responsible for Woja - as we know Davey's strength is his defensive tackling which may negate some of Woja's influence in running the ball out of defence. I hope this makes sense.
Big job for Djerkurra first up - but I can see Davey just burning DJ off as well. I reckon Djerkurra may be worth a shot - this would show a fair bit of imagination and courage from Thompson.