Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody?

Remove this Banner Ad

Chief

Shill
Dec 1, 1999
101,167
80,082
Gates' Payroll
AFL Club
Carlton

“We want to make clear that there is a place for everyone in our sport,” it said in a statement on Thursday.

“We stand by the decision to choose inclusion over exclusion. And, to invite the Queensland Suns to return to the State Titles given they have limited opportunities to play in a high performance environment due to low participation numbers and limited pathways.

“We recognise that change is sometimes uncomfortable, and we are buoyed by the support of our wider netball community who are embracing men and boys in competition formats and have done so for some time in a mixed netball capacity.”
 

Carringbush2010

Brownlow Medallist
Jun 6, 2016
12,976
8,004
Perth
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Pines Football Club
#metoo comes for James Bond.

Don't worry, I'm sure in the new film there will be a Strong Female Character who completely dominates and emasculates him.

Meanwhile, we really need to talk about Wolverine's toxic masculinity. His anger makes everyone psychologically unsafe.

Hmmm yes, in other news water is wet. That article is a captain obvious.

Wolverine, well he's not not your average person on the street is he, I mean not everyone has werewolf dna (which by the way and apologies for the obvious that werewolves only exist in mind and not in reality) nor the accompanied rage that werewolves apparently have.

Oh and I don't think there'll be many worried about the 'new' direction that Bond films are taking, apart from the 70+ yo 'conserve everything from back in my day' set.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

Carringbush2010

Brownlow Medallist
Jun 6, 2016
12,976
8,004
Perth
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Pines Football Club

“We want to make clear that there is a place for everyone in our sport,” it said in a statement on Thursday.

“We stand by the decision to choose inclusion over exclusion. And, to invite the Queensland Suns to return to the State Titles given they have limited opportunities to play in a high performance environment due to low participation numbers and limited pathways.

“We recognise that change is sometimes uncomfortable, and we are buoyed by the support of our wider netball community who are embracing men and boys in competition formats and have done so for some time in a mixed netball capacity.”
An all boys team in a womens netball competition?! What the actual fuq!?

How the hell is this even possible?!

I can understand the 'let's be inclusive' mantra, which some would take in this topic, but this is beyond next level stupor.

There is lots of debate about trans male > female in womens sport having an advantage in this forum alone, that discussion pales into insignificance compared to this.

Wow just wow.
 

Scotland

TheBrownDog
May 5, 2006
60,057
65,791
AFL Club
West Coast
It is interesting that anyone really cares that they get equal prize money.

Why stop at gender? Should the prize money be based solely on the popularity of each player? A scale based on how popular the individual player is, determined by TV ratings and web site clicks and likes on the tournament's social accounts? If players A and B play in the final, player A - who is more popular by 15% - gets 15% more prize money than player B?
All valid points of discussion. In terms of prize money, it makes no sense offering less to the winner(s) than others in the same event. Not uncommon for tournaments to offer appearance fees for high profile players/teams. Manchester United don't just come and play Perth Glory on the other side of the world because they think it's a good pre-season hit out. Endorsements are targeted towards individual athletes, and there's a bigger push in recent years for disequal broadcasting revenue sharing and breakaway leagues.

There's no real reason anyone 'deserves' to be paid equally in professional sports on the basis of gender. Other than equestrian and motorsports men and women rarely compete against each other. AFL players get paid a lot more than AFLW players, but they get paid a lot more than A-League/NBL players too.
 

Rooboys Rool

Club Legend
Jan 25, 2016
1,588
4,653
AFL Club
North Melbourne
I find that a bit odd that there wasn't just a boys competition. Was in Victoria rather than Queensland, but when I was in Year 9 back in 1994 our school's boys team made it through to the State final. We had to go through regionals first and then the finals at Royal Park. So there were heaps of all boys teams getting around back then.

Are boys not playing netball as much these days, or perhaps just not in Queensland?

BTW that's ridiculous having the boys team compete against the girls at U/18 level. Could probably get away with it in younger year levels, but once the height differential in particular kicks in, with the 3ft rule in netball it's not going to be much of a competition.
 

Gethelred

Brownlow Medallist
May 1, 2016
18,934
39,495
AFL Club
Carlton

You can't make this stuff up. This is a step further than equal pay for athletes not tied to generated revenue, she wants a video game company to go bankrupt.
I don't know why you've overreacted to what is quite a silly piece on feminism in video games. She's if anything happy that there's now a womens mode in NBA 2K22, that progress (in her eyes) is demonstrable, even if there's a way to go to get to parity.

The article's a bit silly really, but she's not advocating that they couple a fully voiced story mode into the game; just that one day it might be a possibility.

We all know why the AFL games are not at the level of FIFA
There's not enough money in it?
The sport's ridiculously difficult to depict?
A whole new physics engine would have to be developed to cater to an oval shaped ball?
Older games didn't make budget?
Most of the sports games are made by EA or are racing games, and EA isn't interested in a niche sport?
EA are fun murderers?

Which one?
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Scotland

TheBrownDog
May 5, 2006
60,057
65,791
AFL Club
West Coast
There's not enough money in it?
The sport's ridiculously difficult to depict?
A whole new physics engine would have to be developed to cater to an oval shaped ball?
Older games didn't make budget?
Most of the sports games are made by EA or are racing games, and EA isn't interested in a niche sport?
EA are fun murderers?

Which one?
All of the above. Personally I think soccer and basketball lend themselves to video games while footy, rugby and cricket (with the exception of Super International Cricket) do not. But each to their own. I imagine trying to make an AFL video game even with huge resources behind you would be tough let alone pitching only at a market of 25m people.
 

Mateyman

Brownlow Medallist
Jun 16, 2012
11,513
8,359
AFL Club
Collingwood
It is interesting that anyone really cares that they get equal prize money.

Why stop at gender? Should the prize money be based solely on the popularity of each player? A scale based on how popular the individual player is, determined by TV ratings and web site clicks and likes on the tournament's social accounts? If players A and B play in the final, player A - who is more popular by 15% - gets 15% more prize money than player B?
This is pretty much exactly how sponsorship dollars are apportioned to different players. Increase in prize money through the tournament also has the effect of paying the more popular players (who tend to be the bigger stars) more. Edit: not that this is a particularly fair arrangement or necessarily the best way to apportion prize or sponsorship money.
 
Last edited:

the_interloper

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 1, 2006
18,471
17,898
Melbourne
AFL Club
Richmond
It is interesting that anyone really cares that they get equal prize money.

Why stop at gender? Should the prize money be based solely on the popularity of each player? A scale based on how popular the individual player is, determined by TV ratings and web site clicks and likes on the tournament's social accounts? If players A and B play in the final, player A - who is more popular by 15% - gets 15% more prize money than player B?
This is sort of how it works with prize fighting generally, this is why Ronda Rousey was probably the UFC's highest paid fighter pre-Conor McGregor
 

Sweet Jesus

Brownlow Medallist
Dec 20, 2014
25,737
21,152
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
I watched it with my son years ago and I was a bit uncomfortable - he was a ******* psychopath.

You’re kidding yourself if you think the early stuff isn’t very, very dated.
You're missing the point, as usual. My critique is not about whether a film made 60 years ago is dated. It's about how Bond will be refashioned in future films to give more space to inclusivity and gender parity.

Remember when they rebooted Ghostbusters with an all-female cast? That was great, right? I loved it because it was more inclusive and had strong female leads.

With all that going for it, I can't believe it lost millions of dollars. Why do you think that happened?
 

Rooboys Rool

Club Legend
Jan 25, 2016
1,588
4,653
AFL Club
North Melbourne

Michael Corleone

Senior List
Sep 30, 2021
168
246
AFL Club
Fremantle
You're missing the point, as usual. My critique is not about whether a film made 60 years ago is dated. It's about how Bond will be refashioned in future films to give more space to inclusivity and gender parity.

Remember when they rebooted Ghostbusters with an all-female cast? That was great, right? I loved it because it was more inclusive and had strong female leads.

With all that going for it, I can't believe it lost millions of dollars. Why do you think that happened?
There is a deep cynicism to it all, which Craig alluded to with his comments about why there shouldn't need to be a female Bond. Ghostbusters, Bond, etc are very old cultural vehicles that cost movie studios very little in leveraging the intellectual property. They can strip mine them, insert something that wins political plaudits, and if the venture fails, blame the audiences for not being enlightened enough.

We should really be asking why our culture has run aground so badly that 40+ year old characters and stories are getting constant retreads.
 

Sweet Jesus

Brownlow Medallist
Dec 20, 2014
25,737
21,152
Hong Kong
AFL Club
West Coast
There is a deep cynicism to it all, which Craig alluded to with his comments about why there shouldn't need to be a female Bond. Ghostbusters, Bond, etc are very old cultural vehicles that cost movie studios very little in leveraging the intellectual property. They can strip mine them, insert something that wins political plaudits, and if the venture fails, blame the audiences for not being enlightened enough.
The disastrous Ghostbusters reboot cost the studio tens of millions of dollars.

For me, the question is why they have no confidence in creating new franchises anchored by women.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Remove this Banner Ad