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Carringbush2010

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Group identities are out of control. G. G&L. GL&B. LGBT. LGBTQI. LGBTTQQIAAP. I mean FFS. And now you have things like QTBIPOC which overlap different minority groups.

If you try and make something all encompassing, it loses effectiveness of representation. Eventually there will be a 'not a straight white male' identifier. If you make something too narrowly specific, it will never get any traction. Effectively it's venturing into individual identity, which the woke hate.

And that's just who a group is intended to represent let alone how it is referred to.

Over the course of history (in the US) black, coloured and negro have all been phased in and out of language and now it's pretty much African American or POC if you want to describe someone and minimise your chances of being lynched by an angry mob. Yet at the same time there is the UNCF with the N standing for negro, the NAACP with the C standing or colored, POC and BIPOC are in vogue and of course black lives matter. I can see how people get tripped up by rapidly evolving language. As Dave Chappelle said, "I didn't know what a TERF was but I do know trans people make up words to win arguments". If you are going around calling people slurs then obviously that's different to being surprised that 'black guy' gets you in trouble.

Anyway activist groups are totally up their own arse these days.


A gay rights group that existed for 50 years (and I'm sure given how much society has changed in that time has helped a lot of people) vanishes from the face of the Earth because it's too white.
This is a classic example of impractical, see everybody wants to be 'included', so if you have just 'x' minority group that doesn't include 'z' then someone somewhere will throw the toys out of the cot.

Now we have a pride march and a pride group that are doing good for the community self disbanding coz someone somewhere has thrown the toys out of the cot coz someone wasn't included, then the self loathing follows suit.

Ok if that exclusion was intended then fair enough, knock yourself out, punish yourself until the end of days! Go you good thing.

But FMD there is no doubt that over representation of 'whites' or (evil) people in this organization was NOT the intent.

When are people going to grow up?
 

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This is a classic example of impractical, see everybody wants to be 'included', so if you have just 'x' minority group that doesn't include 'z' then someone somewhere will throw the toys out of the cot.

Now we have a pride march and a pride group that are doing good for the community self disbanding coz someone somewhere has thrown the toys out of the cot coz someone wasn't included, then the self loathing follows suit.

Ok if that exclusion was intended then fair enough, knock yourself out, punish yourself until the end of days! Go you good thing.

But FMD there is no doubt that over representation of 'whites' or (evil) people in this organization was NOT the intent.

When are people going to grow up?

That's a really good line, when are people going to grow up?

Don't know if it was ITT or another one, but I made mention that it is really sad that people who don't have a voice or feel left out, instead of getting together and having their own group, or speaking up, see it is easier just to tear down the good that another group has. It's childish. It's petty. It's insecure. And it above all is mean-spirited.
 

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kickazz

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What do you mean? Who do you see is doing that?
Or an example closer to footy - the annual whingeing when we have Indigenous Round or Pride Round or Women's Round.

"What about the men?" they complain, and then say we shouldn't have these other themed rounds.

Whilst the rest of us who wish to support men's causes go and get involved in Movember or similar.
 

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That's a really good line, when are people going to grow up?

Don't know if it was ITT or another one, but I made mention that it is really sad that people who don't have a voice or feel left out, instead of getting together and having their own group, or speaking up, see it is easier just to tear down the good that another group has. It's childish. It's petty. It's insecure. And it above all is mean-spirited.
Couldn't have put it better.
 

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This is a classic example of impractical, see everybody wants to be 'included', so if you have just 'x' minority group that doesn't include 'z' then someone somewhere will throw the toys out of the cot.

Now we have a pride march and a pride group that are doing good for the community self disbanding coz someone somewhere has thrown the toys out of the cot coz someone wasn't included, then the self loathing follows suit.

Ok if that exclusion was intended then fair enough, knock yourself out, punish yourself until the end of days! Go you good thing.

But FMD there is no doubt that over representation of 'whites' or (evil) people in this organization was NOT the intent.

When are people going to grow up?
If you go by the numbers then how many "QTBIPOC" people are there? If you start from a base of eliminating the 70% of the population who are white, then the 95.5% of people who don't identify as LGBT, well you are left with 1.35% of the population. So you are effectively aiming at the members of that 1.35% who don't feel like LGBTQI+ is for them.

Life of Brian strikes again:

 

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Why fu** up a reasonable discussion with hyperbole?

I think you'll find so called lefties are all about individualism. It's the right wingers that love their othering and hierarchies.
Got a Wikipedia argument for that? Seems at odds with modern trends.

Firstly, time has shown us pretty clearly that if anyone is getting 'lynched' in the USA, its the black guy.

Secondly, 'Black' is generally preferred. We don't call White Americans 'European Americans' do we?

Why is that?
White, caucasian, European, non-Hispanic white... there are a few terms, not something I lose sleep over.

The point is that language evolves, and in some cases is circular. 10 years ago I never would have expected "people of color" to suddenly be the PC term of the day.
 

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A young boy dresses up in his mother’s clothes, jewelry, shoes and make-up then thrashes the house. Surely the advertising agencies are going out of their way to create a controversy? If so, they succeeded. There were hundreds of complaints. But I don't know if the ad would have promoted the product, which was John Lewis home insurance. The ad was pulled after a few days as it was misleading.

 

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" The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) in the U.K. has now ruled that the ad could mislead people, because the insurance policy does not cover a child deliberately messing up a house. "

Trying to work out how to blame this on woke SJW c.ucks ?

You don't need to!

Just drop it in the woke thread on BF and stand back.
 

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This entire thread is basically right wingers who don’t understand things.
You can essentially categorise the entirety of RW media strategy as a collective gish gallop; a cavalcade of incorrect accusations or misrepresentations that are diseminated en masse that would take more time to correct than it does to accuse.
 

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" The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) in the U.K. has now ruled that the ad could mislead people, because the insurance policy does not cover a child deliberately messing up a house. "
Yeah, I pointed that out already.

Trying to work out how to blame this on woke SJW c.ucks ?
It's hard to tell the difference about whether they were being woke or deliberately creating a controversy (like the Gillette MeToo ads). At the last count there had been 380 complaints.

Advertising agencies even manage to outwoke "people and culture" departments. Can you imagine the meeting with all the double barrel named arts grads.

Peanut Blossom : I know. Let's have a kid dancing round a house breaking things.​
India Juniper : Even better, let's make it a trans kid!​

If you have any doubts on their attempts to be woke check out the "diversity" on the John Lewis Men's and children's clothing websites. Ultimately John Lewis have to sign off on this crap, but the indications are that they misunderstand their own market. JL is a bit like Myer over here - reputation for quality with a premium price, and probably most customers are white.
 

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A young boy dresses up in his mother’s clothes, jewelry, shoes and make-up then thrashes the house. Surely the advertising agencies are going out of their way to create a controversy? If so, they succeeded. There were hundreds of complaints. But I don't know if the ad would have promoted the product, which was John Lewis home insurance. The ad was pulled after a few days as it was misleading.

LOL, wtf did I just watch. Jeez the world has gone nuts.
And Im annoyed I had to watch an advert before seeing an advert haha
 

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Probably.

No.


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Probably?

So is it the vibe? Or more what you think he thinks ?

Which bits probably make him transphobic?

When he talked about the trans comedian he hired and became friends with and how he mourned her death after she committed suicide a week after she defended Dave and was hounded and attacked and abused for daring to step out of line ?
 

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Probably?

So is it the vibe? Or more what you think he thinks ?

Which bits probably make him transphobic?

When he talked about the trans comedian he hired and became friends with and how he mourned her death after she committed suicide a week after she defended Dave and was hounded and attacked and abused for daring to step out of line ?
He’s said he’s a terf.

He punches down. Weak as piss.

But he loves to pretend he’s cancelled. He knows how lucrative it is.
 

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He’s said he’s a terf.

He punches down. Weak as piss.

But he loves to pretend he’s cancelled. He knows how lucrative it is.
He also said he is a feminist. Also, he is a comedian.

Does making a joke about any given topic make you an -ist or a -phobe ?

Or just the topics which get people triggered and outraged?

He makes far more jokes about white people than anything else. So I guess he is racist.

Do we rank his -ists and -phobes in order of naughtiness? I assume noone cares about the racism towards white people - unless they are gay or trans?
 

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He also said he is a feminist. Also, he is a comedian.

Does making a joke about any given topic make you an -ist or a -phobe ?

Or just the topics which get people triggered and outraged?

He makes far more jokes about white people than anything else. So I guess he is racist.

Do we rank his -ists and -phobes in order of naughtiness? I assume noone cares about the racism towards white people - unless they are gay or trans?
He’s transphobic and funny. Both things are possible.

You’ve been triggered and outraged by this mythical cancel culture.
 

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