Society/Culture Woke. Can you tell real from parody?

[Chief]

Rolled over to Part 2:

Society/Culture - Woke. Can you tell real from parody? - Part 2 -

Potatoes have no gender. And soon, nearly 70 years (sic), the name of Hasbro’s popular spud-shaped toy will reflect that: No more Mr. Potato Head. It’s just Potato Head. On Thursday, the company announced it would be rebranding the iconic quick-change toy to break away from traditional ideas...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He/him. Given that I was born a biological male and am not trans. All the power too people who want to swap from he to she or vice versa, but all the other pronouns are bs.

Not Quora/Quoraself?

 

[FireKrakouer]

Not Quora/Quoraself?

Maybe here on bigfooty, but elsewhere no. Most people don't know the story of my thorough embarrassment of yourself!

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Maybe here on bigfooty, but elsewhere no. Most people don't know the story of my thorough embarrassment of yourself!

You not knowing anything doesn't embarrass me. It vindicates me.

 

[Crankyhawk]

In the American aviation industry? Absolute bullshit.

In industry in general. Prove to me that there is evidence of substandard hiring due to this process. Or shut your bleating.

 

[Royal Flush]

In industry in general. Prove to me that there is evidence of substandard hiring due to this process. Or shut your bleating.

Here you go.
Qld police minister on quotas.
Hard to find an article that isn't paywalled.

Katrina Carrol on quotas...

Sorry this news station may offend.




On Pixel 4a (5G) using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Chief]

Here you go.
Qld police minister on quotas.
Hard to find an article that isn't paywalled.

Katrina Carrol on quotas...

Sorry this news station may offend.




On Pixel 4a (5G) using BigFooty.com mobile app

Cops fly planes? They are an industry I spose.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Cops fly planes? They are an industry I spose.

No he was answering the question I posed.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Here you go.
Qld police minister on quotas.
Hard to find an article that isn't paywalled.

Katrina Carrol on quotas...

Sorry this news station may offend.




On Pixel 4a (5G) using BigFooty.com mobile app

What the police person has said is really just her opinion though, it is not yet evidence that quotas led to substandard hire - though I accept that there could be operational reasons to not air those concerns in public if they did exist.

 

[Gough]

Here you go.
Qld police minister on quotas.
Hard to find an article that isn't paywalled.

Katrina Carrol on quotas...

Sorry this news station may offend.




On Pixel 4a (5G) using BigFooty.com mobile app

Why shouldn't unworthy women get the same treatment as unworthy men?

 

[FireKrakouer]

In industry in general. Prove to me that there is evidence of substandard hiring due to this process. Or shut your bleating.

You're the one making the claim - that we currently recruit attractive white people over more competent people of colour. You're the one supporting a change to the current system, hence the burden of proof is surely on you to prove that there is currently discrimination and not a meritocracy, which will be corrected by this "hire brown women" policy?

 

[Reynolds Number]

While it's Autism awareness month and I think about the issues facing autistic people (including a close relative) I will just say that quotas are not in place out of altruism.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You're the one making the claim - that we currently recruit attractive white people over more competent people of colour. You're the one supporting a change to the current system, hence the burden of proof is surely on you to prove that there is currently discrimination and not a meritocracy, which will be corrected by this "hire brown women" policy?

Nope, burden on you to prove your assertion.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

And... ?

Call me crazy but how about we just hire the best person for the job regardless of who they are.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Again you are assuming the bar is actually being lowered. I need proof of that assertion first.

If the bar didn't need to be lowered, we would already have adequate representation from a diverse range of backgrounds would we not?

 

[Verdun]

Call me crazy but how about we just hire the best person for the job regardless of who they are.

Do you believe that happens now?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

If course not. Does that make it ok to start deliberately making poor hiring decisions because a quota needs to be met?

 

[Chief]

Call me crazy but how about we just hire the best person for the job regardless of who they are.

And if that happened now, we’d be fine.

Simple things like blind application review can help stop the practice of looking for people who fit a culture rather than add to it.

You’re still going to run up against the reality that graduates in some areas are going to be similar gender and ethnicity. But there are many benefits to extending an organisation instead of just repeating the same practices.

 

[Chief]

If course not. Does that make it ok to start deliberately making poor hiring decisions because a quota needs to be met?

You’re begging the question here. How do you know they are poor decisions?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

And if that happened now, we’d be fine.

Simple things like blind application review can help stop the practice of looking for people who fit a culture rather than add to it.

You’re still going to run up against the reality that graduates in some areas are going to be similar gender and ethnicity. But there are many benefits to extending an organisation instead of just repeating the same practices.

I'm sure we already have excellent pilots out there that represent all types of minority groups. Why do we need a quota exactly? And why does it have to be "50%"? Why not 34% or any other number?

 

[Chief]

I'm sure we already have excellent pilots out there that represent all types of minority groups. Why do we need a quota exactly? And why does it have to be "50%"? Why not 34% or any other number?

Ask the airline? I am sure they have more qualified people than me on their payroll.

 

[Verdun]

If course not. Does that make it ok to start deliberately making poor hiring decisions because a quota needs to be met?

So it is ok to make poor hiring decisions now, and not do anything about it.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

You’re begging the question here. How do you know they are poor decisions?

So here's a scenario... United knows the next person they hire must represent a minority group in order to maintain their quota. They have 3 applicants. The clear best applicant happens to be a white male from a privilaged private school education, dare i say it whilst the other two are deemed unfit for the position for various reasons. Does that mean United has to reject all three applicants and go under staffed until which time a candidate who represents a minority group magically presents themselves. What if this straight, white male applicant has a homosexual brother and is a strong advocate for the plight of his brother's minority group whilst not directly being a part of it himself?

 

[Better Loosen Up]

So it is ok to make poor hiring decisions now, and not do anything about it.

Well, if you HAVE to meet a quota...

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I personally couldn't give a crap who was flying that plane i'm on as long as they are adequately qualified to do so.

 

[Verdun]

So here's a scenario... United knows the next person they hire must represent a minority group in order to maintain their quota. They have 3 applicants. The clear best applicant happens to be a white male from a privilaged private school education, dare i say it whilst the other two are deemed unfit for the position for various reasons. Does that mean United has to reject all three applicants and go under staffed until which time a candidate who represents a minority group magically presents themselves. What if this straight, white male applicant has a homosexual brother and is a strong advocate for the plight of his brother's minority group whilst not directly being a part of it himself?

So you are ok if the exact opposite happens?