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Did Greg Lynn tell police where he buried the bodies?


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Did he have a new camper trailer when he was arrested?
 

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Wasn't that where they found the two shovels?
Yeah but from what I saw, they looked more like snow shovels. Where they were searching from is a chain bay... People will use snow shovels to clear around tyres while fitting and if they forget them, they would just get pushed over the edge by the plow.
They didn't look like the kind of shovels you'd use to dig a hole.
The trailer and whatever he used to reduce the bodies to fragments seem to be the only 2 things unaccounted for.
I'm still going with the trip in May being a trailer disposal weekend...rightt before snow season and road closures. Even if Covid hadn't hit, no one would have been out on the tracks for a good 5 months... Perfect time to pitch it over a steep edge and hope the spring growth covered any obvious disturbance in the surrounding bush.
GL has made, what in hindsight seem like a lot of silly errors, but in reality, he really only missed one detail that was his undoing. He's cunning and calculated and would have been considering anything that worked in his favour IMO
 

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'Gregory Lynn: Accused camper killer committed to stand trial'

'5:40PM JANUARY 25, 2023'fflor
'the police informant Brett Florence .... reported he did not believe any further forensic testing needed to be completed.'


I assume that if the upcoming further Mount Hotham search uncovers any new forensic evidence, that testing of any new evidence will be done.
 

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Yeah but from what I saw, they looked more like snow shovels. Where they were searching from is a chain bay... People will use snow shovels to clear around tyres while fitting and if they forget them, they would just get pushed over the edge by the plow.
They didn't look like the kind of shovels you'd use to dig a hole.
The trailer and whatever he used to reduce the bodies to fragments seem to be the only 2 things unaccounted for.
I'm still going with the trip in May being a trailer disposal weekend...rightt before snow season and road closures. Even if Covid hadn't hit, no one would have been out on the tracks for a good 5 months... Perfect time to pitch it over a steep edge and hope the spring growth covered any obvious disturbance in the surrounding bush.
GL has made, what in hindsight seem like a lot of silly errors, but in reality, he really only missed one detail that was his undoing. He's cunning and calculated and would have been considering anything that worked in his favour IMO
No I agree, the shovels aren't for digging. The look like concretors shovels, but I understand that people would also probably buy them for shoveling snow, so that sounds about right.

Yes the trailer. Wasn't there also their shoes that were missing? That could just be media BS.

Whatever he used to reduce the bones to fragments. Any ideas what would he use for that? Hammer? That would be a long and tedious job.
 

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No I agree, the shovels aren't for digging. The look like concretors shovels, but I understand that people would also probably buy them for shoveling snow, so that sounds about right.

Yes the trailer. Wasn't there also their shoes that were missing? That could just be media BS.

Whatever he used to reduce the bones to fragments. Any ideas what would he use for that? Hammer? That would be a long and tedious job.

Unless… he ran over the bones with the trailer to break them down. Dogs_R_Us is back in the game!
 

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Concerning the magistrate slammed the police for not organising a mental examination upon arrest.

They filed an arrest based on concerns for GL's mental health.

Its a bit of a no-no (although not expressly forbidden) to interview someone without a lawyer present who has documented mental health concerns even if they have been read their rights.

I suspect Dann's trying to outsmart the prosecution and attempting to use the police documenation of mental health concerns against them to suppress the interview where GL gave up the bodies when his lawyer was not present.

I agree thats what they are trying.
 

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So I heard through the grapevine that Lynn confessed to police in his interview - his side of the story is that Hill said he caught him illegally hunting on drone - said he was gonna report him if he didn't leave or something like that - Lynn started blasting music from his car to piss the old man off - Hill opens car door and grabs Lynn's gun from back of car - they wrestle over it and it goes off shooting Clay in face - Hill comes at Lynn with a knife, then Lynn stabs him to death.

He transported the bodies planning to burn the them but couldn't bring himself to do it. Returned at a later date which is when his vehicle was caught on camera as his phone simultaneously pinged tower.
His wife didn't know - he tried to cover it up so as not to lose his hunting license and job.

I don't really believe his story to be honest. Reckon he flipped out and killed them in a rage rather than it being an accident and self defence.
 

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So I heard through the grapevine that Lynn confessed to police in his interview - his side of the story is that Hill said he caught him illegally hunting on drone - said he was gonna report him if he didn't leave or something like that - Lynn started blasting music from his car to piss the old man off - Hill opens car door and grabs Lynn's gun from back of car - they wrestle over it and it goes off shooting Clay in face - Hill comes at Lynn with a knife, then Lynn stabs him to death.

He transported the bodies planning to burn the them but couldn't bring himself to do it. Returned at a later date which is when his vehicle was caught on camera as his phone simultaneously pinged tower.
His wife didn't know - he tried to cover it up so as not to lose his hunting license and job.

I don't really believe his story to be honest. Reckon he flipped out and killed them in a rage rather than it being an accident and self defence.
Only a few (gaping) holes in that story. The only believable part IMO is his wife didn't know and he tried to cover it up to save his job.
 

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Only a few (gaping) holes in that story. The only believable part IMO is his wife didn't know and he tried to cover it up to save his job.
Maybe RH was anti hunting and grabbed the gun to throw it into the creek. I actually can’t imagine even touching someone’s gun ; surely you’d want to calm the situation if there’s a gun nearby. Grabbing it is never going to turn out well.
 

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So I heard through the grapevine that Lynn confessed to police in his interview - his side of the story is that Hill said he caught him illegally hunting on drone - said he was gonna report him if he didn't leave or something like that - Lynn started blasting music from his car to piss the old man off - Hill opens car door and grabs Lynn's gun from back of car - they wrestle over it and it goes off shooting Clay in face - Hill comes at Lynn with a knife, then Lynn stabs him to death.

He transported the bodies planning to burn the them but couldn't bring himself to do it. Returned at a later date which is when his vehicle was caught on camera as his phone simultaneously pinged tower.
His wife didn't know - he tried to cover it up so as not to lose his hunting license and job.

I don't really believe his story to be honest. Reckon he flipped out and killed them in a rage rather than it being an accident and self defence.
GL had a lot of time to make up a story.

Thing for me is if I was camping with my life long (secret) sweetheart, I would be quietly keeping to myself as much as possible. Also, if I had drone footage of a hunter doing the wrong thing the last thing I would do is confront him at the time (knowing he would have weapons) just go to cops after trip. Thirdly, grabbing a gun from a car is just stupid as 9 times out of 10 it would not be loaded (if properly stored) and would be a massive escalation.

Having said that, we know RH had a lot of working experience in the area and didn't like hunters so might have thought he was a bit of an authority figure and didn't like to back down.

We may never know. GL has done a good job removing evidence on the whole.
 

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I think GL will need to take the stand if he's trying to run with self-defence. He needs to create reasonable doubt and it will be hard without testifying.
 

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So I heard through the grapevine that Lynn confessed to police in his interview - his side of the story is that Hill said he caught him illegally hunting on drone - said he was gonna report him if he didn't leave or something like that - Lynn started blasting music from his car to piss the old man off - Hill opens car door and grabs Lynn's gun from back of car - they wrestle over it and it goes off shooting Clay in face - Hill comes at Lynn with a knife, then Lynn stabs him to death.

He transported the bodies planning to burn the them but couldn't bring himself to do it. Returned at a later date which is when his vehicle was caught on camera as his phone simultaneously pinged tower.
His wife didn't know - he tried to cover it up so as not to lose his hunting license and job.

I don't really believe his story to be honest. Reckon he flipped out and killed them in a rage rather than it being an accident and self defence.

Maybe the story from way back, about beastiality is correct?
 

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I think GL will need to take the stand if he's trying to run with self-defence. He needs to create reasonable doubt and it will be hard without testifying.

Unfortunately in this case that's not how a trial works. The prosecution needs to prove their case beyond doubt for him to go down for murder. I doubt GL will testify.

There will be a conviction regardless anyway no mater what is decided in court. He has already admitted to at least manslaughter x 1, interfering with corpses x 2 and perverting the course of justice. Those charges are all but confirmed without the prosecution having to do make a case.
 

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GL had a lot of time to make up a story.

Thing for me is if I was camping with my life long (secret) sweetheart, I would be quietly keeping to myself as much as possible. Also, if I had drone footage of a hunter doing the wrong thing the last thing I would do is confront him at the time (knowing he would have weapons) just go to cops after trip. Thirdly, grabbing a gun from a car is just stupid as 9 times out of 10 it would not be loaded (if properly stored) and would be a massive escalation.

Having said that, we know RH had a lot of working experience in the area and didn't like hunters so might have thought he was a bit of an authority figure and didn't like to back down.

We may never know. GL has done a good job removing evidence on the whole.

All that we really know so far is there was an altercation between GL & RH. We know RH parked right next to GL's campsite. That much is now pretty obvious. it's the how it went down and how CC ended up dead that needs to be determined beyond reasonable doubt.


I can't really imagine RH grabbing a gun from inside the car either. He might be a bit of a hard nut but he didn't sound stupid by the same token. I thought it more likely if there was a wrestle over a gun that it was when GL was returning from hunting they got into an altercation (drone, piss off out of my campsite etc), when he had his gun with him and a hunting knife on him. That to me is the most plausible start of the altercation leading to tragedy.
 

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All that we really know so far is there was an altercation between GL & RH. We know RH parked right next to GL's campsite. That much is now pretty obvious. it's the how it went down and how CC ended up dead that needs to be determined beyond reasonable doubt.


I can't really imagine RH grabbing a gun from inside the car either. He might be a bit of a hard nut but he didn't sound stupid by the same token. I thought it more likely if there was a wrestle over a gun that it was when GL was returning from hunting they got into an altercation (drone, piss out out of my campsite etc), when he had his gun with him and a hunting knife on him. That to me is the most plausible start of the altercation leading to tragedy.
Agreed.
 

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Re: Hotham search - coppers may have calculated from RH's final phone ping that GL may well have piffed it over a ledge on the drive down from Hotham down to Harrietville.


There's some huge cliff faces there dropping hundreds of meters. I was up there early Jan and can only imagine anything that ends down the bottom of those gullies at the bottom of those cliff faces would be very difficult to find. Maybe RH's phone data showed it resting in one place until the battery finally ran out. They're looking for some sort of evidence that GL disposed of out of his car whatever it may be.