Unsolved Wonnangatta - Russell Hill & Carol Clay vanish *Pilot Greg Lynn charged with murder

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You would have to think they are in pretty shallow graves, tough terrain to dig, though he might have had time if he had the bodies in trailer for a while and a totally different location?
Given he was spotted speeding off around midnight, he probably would have had a good few hours in the dark if he needed it, and he’d be conscious of animals digging them up.

My guess is not far off the road, but probably along an obscure track so no one would disturb him digging, and probably at least say a foot of soil or more.
 

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Given he was spotted speeding off around midnight, he probably would have had a good few hours in the dark if he needed it, and he’d be conscious of animals digging them up.

My guess is not far off the road, but probably along an obscure track so no one would disturb him digging, and probably at least say a foot of soil or more.
Have had to bury various stock animals over the years, early days when I was still a recent regional arrival from the city, I tried a few in shallow graves (a foot or less) only to find foxes dug them up repeatedly. Learned the hard way to ensure several feet as a minimum. Given this guy's bush experience, I suspect he'd be aware of that too - I'm guessing the soil in those parts would be moist if shaded, although might dry out a bit over summer into March, but I think you're right, if you're burying bodies for concealment, the deeper the better. Given some of his other decisions though, what frame of mind was he in at the time - calm enough to take his time with a burial, or frantic to bury them and get out of there?
 

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Have had to bury various stock animals over the years, early days when I was still a recent regional arrival from the city, I tried a few in shallow graves (a foot or less) only to find foxes dug them up repeatedly. Learned the hard way to ensure several feet as a minimum. Given this guy's bush experience, I suspect he'd be aware of that too - I'm guessing the soil in those parts would be moist if shaded, although might dry out a bit over summer into March, but I think you're right, if you're burying bodies for concealment, the deeper the better. Given some of his other decisions though, what frame of mind was he in at the time - calm enough to take his time with a burial, or frantic to bury them and get out of there?
I’m just impressed he didn’t leave them in the trailer at this point.
 

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Have had to bury various stock animals over the years, early days when I was still a recent regional arrival from the city, I tried a few in shallow graves (a foot or less) only to find foxes dug them up repeatedly. Learned the hard way to ensure several feet as a minimum. Given this guy's bush experience, I suspect he'd be aware of that too - I'm guessing the soil in those parts would be moist if shaded, although might dry out a bit over summer into March, but I think you're right, if you're burying bodies for concealment, the deeper the better. Given some of his other decisions though, what frame of mind was he in at the time - calm enough to take his time with a burial, or frantic to bury them and get out of there?
Really heavy shale (in the hills) and cobble (in the valleys) all throughoht that area, digging a substantial hole with any depth would be extremely difficult.
Almost no black soil up there, unless youre on the peaty plains.
Source: I poop a lot in the bush🤣
 

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Lynn faced court via video link this morning. Did not apply for bail. Remanded in custody until next appearance in May.

Unlikely to win bail facing murder charges but still. I wonder if his lawyer told him don’t bother to apply or whetherhe outright instructed his lawyer not to apply for bail.
0 chance of bail on a double murder charge
 

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Really heavy shale (in the hills) and cobble (in the valleys) all throughoht that area, digging a substantial hole with any depth would be extremely difficult.
Almost no black soil up there, unless youre on the peaty plains.
Source: I poop a lot in the bush🤣
Cheers, obviously I don't know the area, my only expertise is in burying (animal) carcasses. Also happy to have left my pooping outdoors (camping) days back in my youth!
 

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So he did tell them where and apparently they are buried.

Daily Fail article;
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Victorian Police Assistant Commissioner Bob Hill said police had been provided 'specific' information as to where to find the burial site within the Great Alpine region.

But even with detailed information on a burial site, police have said it will take days to prepare for the dig in what is some of the most rugged terrain on the planet.

It is understood detectives only received the information on the likely location on Thursday morning, with police making a preliminary scout of the rugged terrain. "

So why don't they take him with them and get him to show them exactly where the bodies are? If he's presumably made admissions and given them the information, it might be quicker if he took them to the location.
 

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Really heavy shale (in the hills) and cobble (in the valleys) all throughoht that area, digging a substantial hole with any depth would be extremely difficult.
Almost no black soil up there, unless youre on the peaty plains.
Source: I poop a lot in the bush🤣
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So why don't they take him with them and get him to show them exactly where the bodies are? If he's presumably made admissions and given them the information, it might be quicker if he took them to the location.
This happened with Bayley but before he had been publicly arrested / charged. It would be an absolute media circus in the bush if they took him out there and it would be virtually impossible to do it in secret.
 

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This happened with Bayley but before he had been publicly arrested / charged. It would be an absolute media circus in the bush if they took him out there and it would be virtually impossible to do it in secret.
Not unprecedented though. The took Brent Mack out twice (that I'm aware of) to the hills to look for his mum's body (even though it was buried at their home).
 

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Not unprecedented though. The took Brent Mack out twice (that I'm aware of) to the hills to look for his mum's body (even though it was buried at their home).
I imagine they could do the job just as easily live streaming video to Lynn's cell and have him guiding searchers over videolink via satellite internet connection (there's obviously no 3/4/5g out there).

No real need to wheel him out there.
 

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He comes across as an injustice collector. Can't let go of someone who, in his mind, wrongs him. He has to make a statement every time someone does the smallest thing to him. Smart enough to fly a plane yet impulsive enough to get into a rage at the smallest thing. I bet you anything his family, workmates and friends walk on eggshells whenever they have been in his presence as a result. Unfortunately I believe he has killed in rage before. Hopefully detectives can crack him open further and solve a few other missing person cases as a result now.
Yes according to the aviation forums a couple of people who knew him painted a similar picture. He was stood down from Qantas for personality issues. I wonder if he has confessed or not? I wonder if he divulged the general area where the bodies could be? He has high profile legal representation so has he denied the allegations? Police announce charges after 72 Hours of being held and interrogation could he have admitted guilt? Is he arguing self defense? The Drone theory is a good one. They believe Lynn was camping in the prime spot on the River and so Hill had to choose another area. There's no doubt an argument broke out I suspect it was still daylight after the 6pm radio sked in March and Hill could have been flying the drone as it has not been located to date? Was it a noise issue argument?
 

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I stepped off the Buckland Spur track to pee behind a tree, dropped my pants and I heard a loud swishing rustle in the undergrowth, at the same time thinking 'oh fk ...' looked down and I was almost squatting right on top of a snake. It might have been a copperhead so was probably lucky it didn't strike.

Bit more careful now about where I go in the bush. It would have been really embarrassing requiring first aid being bitten on the bum by a snake.
 

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I imagine they could do the job just as easily live streaming video to Lynn's cell and have him guiding searchers over videolink via satellite internet connection (there's obviously no 3/4/5g out there).

No real need to wheel him out there.
If it's anything like the quality of the Teams meetings we are all now forced to endure I suggest they shackle him up and take him.
 

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I imagine they could do the job just as easily live streaming video to Lynn's cell and have him guiding searchers over videolink via satellite internet connection (there's obviously no 3/4/5g out there).

No real need to wheel him out there.
Also wouldn’t surprised if they didn’t press him to do it if he said he wasn’t up to it. Some people would probably rather not face up to it, and given the length of the interrogation and several references to the state he has been in they might have just left it.
 

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Yes according to the aviation forums a couple of people who knew him painted a similar picture. He was stood down from Qantas for personality issues. I wonder if he has confessed or not? I wonder if he divulged the general area where the bodies could be? He has high profile legal representation so has he denied the allegations? Police announce charges after 72 Hours of being held and interrogation could he have admitted guilt? Is he arguing self defense? The Drone theory is a good one. They believe Lynn was camping in the prime spot on the River and so Hill had to choose another area. There's no doubt an argument broke out I suspect it was still daylight after the 6pm radio sked in March and Hill could have been flying the drone as it has not been located to date? Was it a noise issue argument?
First in best dressed in the bush. Place big enough to find many isolated good spots you would think.
 

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Couldn't be too far off a track, he is not the biggest bloke and it would take considerable effort to move the bodies. But with a likely location shouldn't be too long before remains are found at least which gives closure to the families.

It sounds like there has been a full admission which spares the family a pain of being dragged through a trial.
He has high profile legal representation so sounds like there will be a considerable trial? Or is this just par for the course given the nature of the charges?
 

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If it's anything like the quality of the Teams meetings we are all now forced to endure I suggest they shackle him up and take him.
Ha ha the coppers will have the very best gear. Video links are pretty much possible anywhere in the world now these days as long as you have line of site to at least 3 satellites (to establish a precise location). The only limitation is $$$ which will not be an issue for the coppers.
 

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He has high profile legal representation so sounds like there will be a considerable trial? Or is this just par for the course given the nature of the charges?
Anyone charged with a crime this serious will get lawyers, and those with a bit of dough will tend to engage lawyers with greater profile, but it’s probably a loss mitigation exercise now.

If he’s led them to the bodies he’s certainly not going to be pleading not guilty to all charges.

They might be able to negotiate on the charges and the plea will be critical. You’d comfortably pay $100,000+ if it meant a couple of years of freedom.
 

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