Woosha

[Jarlcorbz]

Short memories this lot. I bet this was the same crowd that called for his head after 2010.

 

[Jarlcorbz]

"Woosha says he can rebuild the eagles"... What a load of shit. He shouldn't HAVE to rebuild the eagles ffs.

Last week he said that we'll come out firing after the past fortnights performances and what did we dish up? A steamrolling by adelaide, which is not good opposition mind you, and avoiding our worst score ever at subiaco AGAIN, by 2 points.... Seriously, GTFO Worsfold i'm sick of your shit.

He doesn't HAVE to re-build the list. Any team that has been injury plagued as much as WC has been this year can never win a flag.

Our team the past month has been filled with fringe players and spuds, and over the past month we've played against good teams that are going to and probably should be playing finals. Stop being so hysterical FFS.

 

[Dark Sharks]

He doesn't HAVE to re-build the list. Any team that has been injury plagued as much as WC has been this year can never win a flag.

Our team the past month has been filled with fringe players and spuds, and over the past month we've played against good teams that are going to and probably should be playing finals. Stop being so hysterical FFS.

I wasn't expecting them to "win a flag", i never expected that but there's a little thing called pride. And nothing, absolutely nothing changes the fact that we have performed pathetic over the past 3 weeks and our team under the Messiah Worsfold have shown non whatsoever.

Blaming injuries is a total cop out. EVERY club in the AFL has injuries. Just means our depth is shit compared to the likes of Collingwood, Geelong, Sydney, North and Hawthorn. No amount of injuries can be used as an excuse when we still have probably 18 of our best 22 playing on the night.

Good teams like Adelaide? At home? Without there full forward?

 

[Jarlcorbz]

I wasn't expecting them to "win a flag", i never expected that but there's a little thing called pride. And nothing, absolutely nothing changes the fact that we have performed pathetic over the past 3 weeks and our team under the Messiah Worsfold have shown non whatsoever.

Blaming injuries is a total cop out. EVERY club in the AFL has injuries. Just means our depth is shit compared to the likes of Collingwood, Geelong, Sydney, North and Hawthorn. No amount of injuries can be used as an excuse when we still have probably 18 of our best 22 playing on the night.

Good teams like Adelaide? At home? Without there full forward?

I didn't say we have played well, I'm saying that the players must be accountable. If every individual player played to their potential last night then I'm sure the result would have been different. A coach can only do so much to make players accountable (other than making them retire).

Why is it a "cop out"? Should I just blame a team full of fringe players for everything that has gone wrong this year? Hurn, NN, Schofield, Kerr, Darling, LeCras, Shuey and Waters who I'd say are all best 22 didn't play tonight, and some most of the year. So that would make 16 of our best 22, and when you're missing a chunk of talent that size of course it's going to change the way the team plays.

And yes, Adelaide are a good team, certainly better than us this year.

 

[Ted38]

Our culture is broken. Its sad but true. The players mentally checked out 3 weeks early. This would not happen at a club with a stronger culture. The rot has set in and it needs to change. Too many complacent players, coaches and support staff.

You forgot the gumbies running the club eg., Management and the Board.

 

[Monocle]

He doesn't HAVE to re-build the list. Any team that has been injury plagued as much as WC has been this year can never win a flag.

Our team the past month has been filled with fringe players and spuds, and over the past month we've played against good teams that are going to and probably should be playing finals. Stop being so hysterical FFS.

So I take it you are happy with the fringe players and spuds that are on our list because you say "He doesn't HAVE to rebuild the list." I would have thought that your comment regarding the fringe players and spuds would invalidate your opinion that he doesn't have to re-build the list.

The point is that some of these players should have been moved on some time ago.

You may be happy watching the shit that the team has served up to us this season but at least accept and acknowledge that not all of us are from the same point of view. JW has backed the wrong players and it has come back to bite him and the Club on the arse.

He may well be popular with in the confines of the Club but that doesn't excuse the poor performance that he as Head Coach must take responsibility for. He seems totally bereft of ideas how to rectify the situation. The injury excuse is pretty thin because plenty of other sides have copped their share of injuries, sure they may not win the flag but they have at the very least still managed to be at least competitive .

We have underachieved this season pure and simple, no ifs no buts, and Worsfold has to be held accountable for the poor showing and take the brunt of the heat that comes with that reality.

I have never been a fan of rewarding coaching mediocrity with a contract extension.

 

[Ted38]

If ever there was an example of a team that has tired of the same old message from a coach it was yesterday which was the culmination of the problem that has been evident to even the most one eyed Worsfold supporter for many weeks. The worrying aspect of this issue is that we have a Board that is happy to let him continue if he wants the job. what sort of nothing Board is that?
Fortunately for them and the club Worsfold will pull the pin as early as this coming week.

 

[kerrazy]

I'm all for john staying at the club, but he needs to make a lot of changes. He needs to make a statement, do something that's not so ****ong conservative. We got a lot of delisting to do, off field and on.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Still trying to work out why he didn't swing Hunter forward last night

 

[arfadunger]

I love Woosha, but he has got to take responsibility for the debacle that has been our season. I'm not ready for him to be hung drawn and quartered just yet, though. There review needs to run it's course and if it is to be determined that Woosha is to be re-signed then I think that it should only be for one year with very specific KPIs that need to be met.

I have heard some media outlets saying that a one year extension would be an insult, but quite frankly, the tripe that this mob have served up this season, and particularly over the last 3 weeks has been insulting to everyone who loves the club.

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

Can we request the new stadium be a replica of Etihad?

 

[BigLeb]

The last 3 weeks has been the players letting everyone know what they think of the prospect of Woosha staying on as coach.

EFA

 

[QS]

As thorne89 mentioned, if his plan involves more of this circle work around the boundary and wings then he must go. The game is played though the middle. We hedge our bets at the moment, that is to say if we can't manage clean disposal to get it forward we force it out for a throw in; that is not effective footy and other teams camp out and wait for that every time.

We look great when we go through the middle quickly and it does not allow the other side to flood back and stick 2 blokes on JK, or at least the loose man in defence blocking off the space he is to lead into.

If he can instil some pride, hunger and efficient ball use into this side then I'm happy for him to stay. I think the "stale" notion is quite relevant here though.

 

[WCE_phil]

He can instil a whole load of fishing into his life after he announces his retirement on tuesday. At least thats what i hope happens. Great player, great captain, successful coach but its time to move on.

 

[Coaster2012]

We ain't getting Roos. He turned down the Brisbane job because he didn't want to up root his family to QLD, you really think Perth is an easier option? That leaves Voss, a coach that wasn't good enough to take Brisbane forward, and there's no way, a powerhouse financial side with 60,000 members is going to take Lions scraps. That leaves us with either getting the assistant, or a brand new untested coach. I'd prefer the latter.

 

[freoextra]

I can imagine you would all have very mixed feelings if Woosh got a contract extension after the last three weeks. I would think that a proper review will now be held into the coaching position instead of another rubber stamp which now at least might throw up some other potential candidates.

Voss is an interesting one, made awful decisions at the beginning of his coaching rein but seemed to be coaching well at the end with a limited stock of ageing players.

 

[erbenz]

If (and I remain unconvinced that changing Worsfold is the only way to fix this mess we're in) we're going to change coaches we need to clearly improve upon Worsfold in the areas we're lacking.

Roos is too high a benchmark for this improvement due to his exceptional pedigree and the cash that Melbourne are throwing at him.

What we need to identify is someone who offers improvement upon Worsfold in key areas (Match Tactics, Positional flexibility and building of a game plan, Injury Management), while still being sound in areas that Worsfold has typically excelled in up until now (Preparation, Morale, Effort etc). That can come from within and outside the club. You don't count out candidates on silly factors like those.

IMO, Alan Richardson, Adam Simpson or John Blakey would all be interesting names for this discussion.

Furthermore, I'd not be opposed to bringing in the likes of Simon Black, Mark Neeld or Michael Voss to the club if we're looking to bolster our club's footy department. All three have experience and played roles either mentoring or developing young talent at their clubs. Neeld may have done a terrible job at Melbourne but he was highly rated at the Pies, while Voss has done an excellent job developing youth at Brisbane despite going trade heavy early on.

 

[WCETRUTH]

Short memories this lot. I bet this was the same crowd that called for his head after 2010.

Now lets watch Woosh lead us back to the top and pull another coach of the year award. For all the negative types on here, remember this......2010 last, 2011 4th and coach of the year.....how did he get voted coach of the yr (a second time hes won that acolade) if he cannot coach well???. Woosh is the right man for the job, and yes hes going to put the broom through the list and staff, and so he should. Roos has done nothing that Woosh hasnt done, so to all negative types get ya hands off it and be real. Do you actually believe he doesnt know what hes doing ....FFS!!!
And the doomsayers wonder why hes so successful.....lol

 

[Marlin01]

As thorne89 mentioned, if his plan involves more of this circle work around the boundary and wings then he must go. The game is played though the middle. We hedge our bets at the moment, that is to say if we can't manage clean disposal to get it forward we force it out for a throw in; that is not effective footy and other teams camp out and wait for that every time.

We look great when we go through the middle quickly and it does not allow the other side to flood back and stick 2 blokes on JK, or at least the loose man in defence blocking off the space he is to lead into.

If he can instil some pride, hunger and efficient ball use into this side then I'm happy for him to stay. I think the "stale" notion is quite relevant here though.

Exactly.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

My girlfriend was at her first ever game last night and she turned to me in the second half and said, "Why do they keep going out so wide? Wouldn't it be faster if they just went through the middle?"

Not long afterwards the young girl sitting in front of us turned to her Dad and sobbed, "I wish we were a good team."

Both made my night, but pretty damning for Woosha and his 'game-plan'.

 

[QS]

My girlfriend was at her first ever game last night and she turned to me in the second half and said, "Why do they keep going out so wide? Wouldn't it be faster if they just went through the middle?"

Not long afterwards the young girl sitting in front of us turned to her Dad and sobbed, "I wish we were a good team."

Both made my night, but pretty damning for Woosha and his 'game-plan'.

My boss is a seated member and by about round 8 I had him convinced it was a poor gameplan. He texted me last night during the 2nd and said 'I've counted 25 or so times down the right wing' so he's obviously noticed it too. It is our default setting 'go to the boundary'.. problem is our blokes are neither skilled nor quick enough to execute that effectively (fumbles, miskicks OOB on the full, spilling marks). At least going through the middle it's a quick succession of short sharp disposals.

 

[xown]

We ain't getting Roos. He turned down the Brisbane job because he didn't want to up root his family to QLD, you really think Perth is an easier option? That leaves Voss, a coach that wasn't good enough to take Brisbane forward, and there's no way, a powerhouse financial side with 60,000 members is going to take Lions scraps. That leaves us with either getting the assistant, or a brand new untested coach. I'd prefer the latter.

It's sad when such a "powerhouse" team has with 60,000 members (questionable) only has 29,500 show up last night for the final game of the season, even during a significant farewell for 3 members.
Disgrace.

 

[placebo]

Short memories this lot. I bet this was the same crowd that called for his head after 2010.

...So what? We made 4th and 5th but were never a chance at the flag, even at full strength. We lack a coherent game plan at the moment and the same reasons we weren't good enough in 2011/2012 are still sticking around...a completely average midfield and midfield structure that is structured around mediocrity, rather than our most talented mids, that because it's dependent on a clean NN hitout, lacks any defensive ability. A midfield that is shit on the spread, a midfield with only one line breaking attacking mid in Shuey, a lack of genuine A grade inside class (I believe Wellingham can do this but if the match panel aren't going to utilise him in his most dangerous position, then he's a waste), a midfield that is utterly inflexible, and a midfield and half back/forward line that can't rotate with one another. The other coaches have left Woosha behind...we are so, so dependent on a clean NN breakaway or a pin point Hurn kick that forces open space...which is the issue when NN comes back...far, far too much rests on his shoulders. Our ball movement is slow and indecisive, we rarely utilise the corridor effectively and having a tall mobile forwardline is useless if you're ball movement is slow and wide.

At the end of the day, our team is not a premiership winning team, and that was true in 2011/2012 as well...so where does that leave us...we've had 6-7 years to build one now and we're not any closer...that's a pretty good indication that the coaching may have to change...unless Woosha manages to completely change his one dimensional mindset that has always been there...because you know...that's likely...

 

[Masto]

Short memories this lot. I bet this was the same crowd that called for his head after 2010.

Except the rebuild of this period failed and we are back where we were then. Recruiting players like Hams, Dick etc proved incredibly short sighted.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Well if you take out all our good years then of course his % is going to be bad...

Look I'm no longer completely opposed to a change but it's annoying how people completely turn on Woosha as soon as we hit a bad spot.

ive been against him since 08. even in 11/12 i scrutinised him with team selections, his game plan and his lack of flexibility. i wanted him out in 2010 and only felt when he got a contract extension in 2010 that if we won the flag would keep him going.

i understand last nights game was without many of our 22. however you have to see it this way its been throughout the year that there has been no passion, heart fight or skill level. this goes to the match committee and worsfold messing up natanui, hurn for hawthorn, etc. serious questions need to be asked with worsfold's attitude and the match committee.

worsfold feels that due to cransbergs comments earlier in the year he is as safe as john longmire. he shouldnt be and i pray that the board ensure two things

1. either they tell him to leave
2. give him maximum one year with kpis galore.

he and the recruitment side have been poorer than the likes of hawthorn, geelong, etc. again why?

i wont be happy until the board understands that accepting mediocrity and allowing our major competitior becoming a success makes them pull out their fingers out of their arses and make huge changes