Woosha

[West Coast Weasel]

On 6pr i found it interesting that Brad Hardie kept mentioning that Harvey wants to come back to Perth and that there is a chance he could be an addition the WCE's staff.

I'd be up for that, we need some changes in our match day staff and personally I reckon its better then picking up unproven former players.

 

[West Coast Weasel]

Good addition, would add something. Would perhaps prefer (the very unlikely) Roos or maybe even Crazy Vossy

Well Vossy and Woosha are mates, so maybe we could grab the two. At the very least, our match ups wouldn't be so damn predictable

 

[greatwhiteshark]

On 6pr i found it interesting that Brad Hardie kept mentioning that Harvey wants to come back to Perth and that there is a chance he could be an addition the WCE's staff.

How would people feel about this? He doesn't have to replace one of our assistants but i think what Woosha needs is a game day coach and it is doing wonders for the Tigers at the moment with Mark Williams. My first choice would be the get to Paul Roo's over to do this role but that looks highly unlikely and i think Harvey would be perfect as he is very smart and very hands on and could see him being on the boundary line barking out orders.

hahahaha Paul Roos assistant to John Worsfold!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though who would want to be an assistant under Woosha? It is certain death as a job.
Task 1 - Do what John tells you to do.
If the team goes well John will get all the credit.
If it goes pear shaped you and the other assistants will be fired and John will keep his job.

I think that is how it is working these days at the club.

 

[Agent93]

Just from your words:

Priddis could have got us a much better player 5 years ago.

Priddis was a vanilla dud from day one.

Who would trade for him? From Adelaide, Collingwood, Sydney, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, and Geelong who would want him? At that time, in that pick range none of those sides would want to add to their midfield at the cost of their first rounder. Hell, Geelong even traded out a highly rated, though fringe mid for pick 39.

Given that Priddis was contracted at that stage, why would he want to move from his home state, from a team where he was getting ample compensation and playing time?

Suggesting Priddis could have, or should have been traded at that stage is wishful thinking from an armchair GM. It wouldn't have and didn't happen in the real world.

 

[Agent93]

Paul Roo's

Off topic, but why on Earth would you put an apostrophe in Paul Roos surname?

 

[PAdman]

Off topic, but why on Earth would you put an apostrophe in Paul Roos surname?

I was saying roo-urns.

 

[Agent93]

I was saying roo-urns.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[Chris_6678]

Good addition, would add something. Would perhaps prefer (the very unlikely) Roos or maybe even Crazy Vossy

Maybe get Vossy into a player development role for the young players...if i recall he was an AIS coach for the under 16's.

 

[Spooky17]

Maybe get Vossy into a player development role for the young players...if i recall he was an AIS coach for the under 16's.

Yeah, Crazy Vossy had a lot of man love for old Swifty from memory. If CV did come to us as an assistant rather than going straight into the senior coaching position at Brissy, who knows, maybe the whole Swiftsaaaaa story could of turned out differently..?

 

[bunsen burner]

Just from your words:

Obviously your brain is limited.

I'm saying that whilst he was a dud from day one lots of people rated him very highly. There were people on this very board and in the media mentioning the word "Brownlow".

Hence why I said he was "overs" and we should have traded him.

Get it?

Who would trade for him? From Adelaide, Collingwood, Sydney, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, and Geelong who would want him? At that time, in that pick range none of those sides would want to add to their midfield at the cost of their first rounder. Hell, Geelong even traded out a highly rated, though fringe mid for pick 39.

He was considered a gun. Plenty would have traded for him. Not sure why you're trying to sell this dud argument?

Given that Priddis was contracted at that stage, why would he want to move from his home state, from a team where he was getting ample compensation and playing time?

Again, your limited brain capacity lets you down. Let me dumb this down for you:

Woosha: Hey Pridda, how do you feel about a trade?
Priddis: I'm happy here thanks
Woosha: well we don't think you fit into our plans for next year and want to trade you
Priddis: I'd really like to stay
Woosha: You'll get limited game time. I think you're better off being open minded
Priddis: Ok, let's see what happens.

It's not rocket science.

Suggesting Priddis could have, or should have been traded at that stage is wishful thinking from an armchair GM.

Been saying it for 5 years. Turns out I was on the money. Or do you dispute that?

It wouldn't have and didn't happen in the real world.

It should have happened but didn't happen because we have a risk averse coach who is reactive rather than pre emptive.

Proof is in the pudding.

 

[bunsen burner]

Off topic, but why on Earth would you put an apostrophe in Paul Roos surname?

Why on earth would you be a massive **** on the internet?

 

[bunsen burner]

Good addition, would add something. Would perhaps prefer (the very unlikely) Roos or maybe even Crazy Vossy

Err, no.

Whilst we have a game day strategy weakness, we also have a MC and structural weakness. The problem is Woosha. Harvey would be good but needs to be part of a whole new coaching team. Roos would never work as 2nd fiddle, and Voss is a dud.

 

[trickyonne]

5 years ago Priddis was highly rated. It was obvious we would have got way overs for him. Beau Waters is another. AA last year. This guy is another Jacob Surjan. Needs to be traded. Why wasn't A Selwood delisted 4 years ago? He was okay last year, but poor on 2010, 2011, and horrendous in 2013.

I'm an advocate for hanging on to a few spuds (because it's advntageous to have a handful of players on your list who are rarely play and are paid peanuts so we have more in the cap to retain the guns) but we seem to be top heavy with potatoes. Either slow, flat footed, poor disposal, poor decision makers, or a combination of those 4.

Did you share this opinion on Beau Waters late last year?

 

[bunsen burner]

Did you share this opinion on Beau Waters late last year?

Your point?

 

[Agent93]

He was considered a gun. Plenty would have traded for him. Not sure why you're trying to sell this dud argument?

In the past 10 years teams finishing in the top 8 that year have traded their first rounder for a midfielder 6 imes. West Coast has done this twice, all during Worsfold's tenure.

It should have happened but didn't happen because we have a risk averse coach who is reactive rather than pre emptive.

Proof is in the pudding.

That it is. AFL clubs historically do not blow up the roster and take these sort of risks. Other top 8 clubs have traded their first round pick, but they were generally aiming for developed tall players, mainly rucks and forwards. They don't chase midfielders to enhance a premiership drive, those guys have already been drafted and developed within, generally using first round picks (and father-son gimmes).

However, established midfielders have changed clubs via trade for picks after the first round numerous times in that same 10 year period. Notable examples include Heath Scotland and Jason Akermanis, and recently, Brad Ebert.

Again, your limited brain capacity lets you down.

My limited brain capacity has the ability to reason the club's point of view, being that they believe and still believe they have a valuable AFL player on their list. History has shown this as Priddis is the only player on the list to have more top 3 finishes than all but Darren Glass, Dean Cox, and Adam Selwood in the club champion awards. When a club is high on a player the don't trade them unless it's at the player's request.

Further to this in the season prior the club had traded Judd, delisted Cousins, and Braun retired. In 2008 Butler and Kerr played 16 games between them (6 less than Priddis), and Stenglein and Fletcher we looked as nearing the end of their careers, retiring the following season. With picks 2, 18 and 20 in the coming 2008 draft, it doesn't take much to see why the club hung on to a 23 year old midfielder nearing his prime.


Thus:

It wouldn't have and didn't happen in the real world.

Running with your hypothetical trade of Priddis for a pick between 10 and 15, who would you expect the club to have taken? Maybe Sidebottom if we got 10 or 11, but I think the more likely result would be that we'd have taken Ballantyne at 20 whilst still obtaining Shuey and Swift. I'm not sure that's a better outcome.

 

[bunsen burner]

In the past 10 years teams finishing in the top 8 that year have traded their first rounder for a midfielder 6 imes. West Coast has done this twice, all during Worsfold's tenure.

That it is. AFL clubs historically do not blow up the roster and take these sort of risks. Other top 8 clubs have traded their first round pick, but they were generally aiming for developed tall players, mainly rucks and forwards. They don't chase midfielders to enhance a premiership drive, those guys have already been drafted and developed within, generally using first round picks (and father-son gimmes).

However, established midfielders have changed clubs via trade for picks after the first round numerous times in that same 10 year period. Notable examples include Heath Scotland and Jason Akermanis, and recently, Brad Ebert.


My limited brain capacity has the ability to reason the club's point of view, being that they believe and still believe they have a valuable AFL player on their list. History has shown this as Priddis is the only player on the list to have more top 3 finishes than all but Darren Glass, Dean Cox, and Adam Selwood in the club champion awards. When a club is high on a player the don't trade them unless it's at the player's request.

Further to this in the season prior the club had traded Judd, delisted Cousins, and Braun retired. In 2008 Butler and Kerr played 16 games between them (6 less than Priddis), and Stenglein and Fletcher we looked as nearing the end of their careers, retiring the following season. With picks 2, 18 and 20 in the coming 2008 draft, it doesn't take much to see why the club hung on to a 23 year old midfielder nearing his prime.


Thus:

Running with your hypothetical trade of Priddis for a pick between 10 and 15, who would you expect the club to have taken? Maybe Sidebottom if we got 10 or 11, but I think the more likely result would be that we'd have taken Ballantyne at 20 whilst still obtaining Shuey and Swift. I'm not sure that's a better outcome.

Righto Quentin.

 

[Agent93]

Your point?

Obviously your brain is limited.

He's saying that whilst Waters was injury prone from day one lots of people rated him very highly following 2012. There were people on this very board and in the media mentioning the word "Captain".

Hence he's suggesting that like Priddis in 2008, you may share the same opinion of Waters last year and say he was "overs" and we should have traded him, and thus inviting you to comment.

Get it?

 

[Doughboy]

On 6pr i found it interesting that Brad Hardie kept mentioning that Harvey wants to come back to Perth and that there is a chance he could be an addition the WCE's staff.

How would people feel about this? He doesn't have to replace one of our assistants but i think what Woosha needs is a game day coach and it is doing wonders for the Tigers at the moment with Mark Williams. My first choice would be the get to Paul Roo's over to do this role but that looks highly unlikely and i think Harvey would be perfect as he is very smart and very hands on and could see him being on the boundary line barking out orders.

Was just chatting to a work mate about Harvey coming to the Eagles as an assistant. At first, I thought, ugghh Dirty Docker, no thanks! But upon chatting a bit more, he had the ability to recruit well (applied with Lyons game plan, hence the Dockers are doing well this year) and seems to have done a reasonable job at the Lions, having another set of experienced eyes overseeing the player, I think is a great idea.

Apparently, Harveys downfall at the Dockers was one to do with upward communication with the board, as opposed to any shortage of coaching ability.

Based on that, I say the more experience the better. It also seems that a lot of clubs these days, regardless of the senior coaches ability/experience, they have a strong assistant with senior experience backing them up.

 

[Chris_6678]

Was just chatting to a work mate about Harvey coming to the Eagles as an assistant. At first, I thought, ugghh Dirty Docker, no thanks! But upon chatting a bit more, he had the ability to recruit well (applied with Lyons game plan, hence the Dockers are doing well this year) and seems to have done a reasonable job at the Lions, having another set of experienced eyes overseeing the player, I think is a great idea.

Apparently, Harveys downfall at the Dockers was one to do with upward communication with the board, as opposed to any shortage of coaching ability.

Based on that, I say the more experience the better. It also seems that a lot of clubs these days, regardless of the senior coaches ability/experience, they have a strong assistant with senior experience backing them up.

I hope this is the case as i thought the same thing at first regarding Harvey but he pretty much set up fremantle before Lyon took over. Harvey even said he prefers being an assistant coach than a senior coach and plus i am pretty sure his family is still over here.

 

[bunsen burner]

Obviously your brain is limited.

He's saying that whilst Waters was injury prone from day one lots of people rated him very highly following 2012. There were people on this very board and in the media mentioning the word "Captain".

Hence he's suggesting that like Priddis in 2008, you may share the same opinion of Waters last year and say he was "overs" and we should have traded him, and thus inviting you to comment.

Get it?

I'm on record on this board 5 years ago, 4 years ago... that we should trade Priddis. I'm also on record late 2012 that we should trade Waters. Not sure why you need that confirmed?

 

[Doughboy]

I hope this is the case as i thought the same thing at first regarding Harvey but he pretty much set up fremantle before Lyon took over. Harvey even said he prefers being an assistant coach than a senior coach and plus i am pretty sure his family is still over here.

Its actually not as silly as it sounds.

Maybe someone like Harvey, with senior experience may question the All Mighty Woosh at times too...

Democracy in the coaches box, could be a good thing

Who would make way, Teage? Hopefully not Burns!

 

[Chris_6678]

Its actually not as silly as it sounds.

Maybe someone like Harvey, with senior experience may question the All Mighty Woosh at times too...

Democracy in the coaches box, could be a good thing

Who would make way, Teage? Hopefully not Burns!

Doesn't have to really replace anyone..could just be given a new role.

 

[Doughboy]

Be a bit crowded in the box though!

Plus, I thought that when Voss' name came up at Woosh's presser a while ago, he said they were happy with the number of the coaching staff.

I would say, someone would have to make way

 

[Chris_6678]

Be a bit crowded in the box though!

Plus, I thought that when Voss' name came up at Woosh's presser a while ago, he said they were happy with the number of the coaching staff.

I would say, someone would have to make way

I have heard that they will plan to make up to 2 changes to coaching staff so i wonder who that would be ? Teague seems like a good bloke and has developed the tall KPD's in Emac and Schoey well but has failed in getting our small defenders to fire.

 

[southcoast]

but has failed in getting our small defenders to fire.

Something about silk purses and sow's ears comes to mind.

Mind you I also subscribe to the theory that judging Burns on the midfield's performance this year is a little unkind. Sure things haven't worked but he rarely (if ever) had the first choice midfield on the park at one time. That is not to say it shouldn't be improved - coz it needs to.