Woosha

[Coaster2012]

Clearly based on our current excellent position for a tilt at the flag and his awesome ability to rebuild a side to premiership contenders this season. Don't forget that he said it would be this year we win a flag again. The last two years were contenders apparently but clearly unable to defeat the best midfield brigades due to his undying faith in priddis and 5 foot midfielders.
Or skills are the worst in the league due to us not having a skills coach because woosha doesn't think we need one. Mate he is the worst game day coach in the league. Has no ability to respond quickly to problems in a game. Has no idea about recruiting. Can't count as he states we can still win the flag this year.

If you actually take his name of him and give him Joe bloggs he would have been sacked and taken to a mental farm for insanity.

The club is in the worst state it has ever been in its history including the drug fiasco in 2007. We are playing like a GWS but not being one. Our injury toll is not a coincidence. There is clearly something wrong with our fitness staff.

The belief in john worsfold by the club borders on insanity. EVERY other club would have sacked him by now. In fact I would say he has held his job simply because he has had a tough personal life this year and his mates in nisbett and co. Don't want to make it worse.

Personally I am embarrassed by him being out coach and am not looking forward to where our club will be next year if he remains. It will take a miracle akin to snaring Another cousins and Judd in this years draft to fixing some of the problems.

Did you see our 2010 season?

 

[InTheWings]

You're saying you wouldn't be surprised by surprise delistings?

What kind of structural shake-up do you foresee?

If we were to keep Woosha I would like to see a skills coach reinstated; more anaerobic ability displayed especially in our midfielders so they can break tackles and run away from packs (if they already have this ability they are not showing it);
new strategies / faster decision making from the coach's box on match day; different strategies around stoppages to win more effective clearances instead of the current get the ball to the back of the pack and kick it over your shoulder approach.

I could suggest replacing some current assistant coaches I am not close enough to it to say who should be replaced. The obvious one would be Burns as the midfield has performed the most below par, but I don't know whether it is because he is a bad coach or doesn't have the freedom to run the midfield how he wants. Either way something needs changing!

 

[Jarlcorbz]

I didn't hear anyone say keep the coach after the bombers win. In fact I just heard a lot of people annoyed by the fact because it meant Woosha is more likely to keep his job.

I did.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

i honestly dont understand how people keep comparing our 2010 with 2013.

at the end of 2010 we still had a core of our premiership players who were injured and werent playing their best hence why we still had hope.

now six of them should be all retired by the end of 2014. thats a huge amount of experience and players gone.

nicoski
embley
cox
glass
kerr
a.selwood

not to mention priddis who isnt getting any younger.

our drafting has been very poor since the gaff/darling success and we're lacking a lot of midfield power. and without it we wont get anywhere

to continue to see worsfold defend our midfield shows he has to go. another midfield or two and we'll be fine but hes looking at backmen and ruckmen when they are relatively covered.

 

[dajesmac]

our drafting has been very poor since the gaff/darling success

Wat.

Even if you count Newman as a failure (which I personally don't), I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion. McInnes developing well in the WAFL and looking promising, and Hutchings and Carter contributors already despite being taken with picks #59 and #60 last year. And surely you haven't written off Colledge already.

In two drafts where we've had average picks, we've done okay.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Wat.

Even if you count Newman as a failure (which I personally don't), I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion. McInnes developing well in the WAFL and looking promising, and Hutchings and Carter contributors already despite being taken with picks #59 and #60 last year. And surely you haven't written off Colledge already.

In two drafts where we've had average picks, we've done okay.

so you reckon what we've drafted has resolved our deficiencies sufficiently?

carter granted was needed to replace butler and smith

hutchings is still unsure whether he will be replacing priddis or not

mcinnes may walkaway due to lack of oppurtunity (where would he play?) colledge has been injury striken.

but have any of these covered our deficiencies in our midfield our most significant problem since judas ran back to mummy and cousins went awol?

no. and this is my issue with our drafting. weve just picked on very vanilla midfielders with no damaging run and this is being reflected on the field. nic nat cant do all the work via his tap outs we need players to win their own ball with grunt and pace. beside wellingham we are still another decent midfielder or two away from causing significant damage to the league. if worsfold doesnt feel this way thats why he needs to go. our deficiencies are not being met and a midfield of shuey, gaff masten wellingham selwood and to a lesser extent kerr and priddis is def not enough considering the latter are nearing their end of their careers.

 

[SwiftforPM]

Clearly based on our current excellent position for a tilt at the flag and his awesome ability to rebuild a side to premiership contenders this season. Don't forget that he said it would be this year we win a flag again. The last two years were contenders apparently but clearly unable to defeat the best midfield brigades due to his undying faith in priddis and 5 foot midfielders.
Or skills are the worst in the league due to us not having a skills coach because woosha doesn't think we need one. Mate he is the worst game day coach in the league. Has no ability to respond quickly to problems in a game. Has no idea about recruiting. Can't count as he states we can still win the flag this year.

If you actually take his name of him and give him Joe bloggs he would have been sacked and taken to a mental farm for insanity.

The club is in the worst state it has ever been in its history including the drug fiasco in 2007. We are playing like a GWS but not being one. Our injury toll is not a coincidence. There is clearly something wrong with our fitness staff.

The belief in john worsfold by the club borders on insanity. EVERY other club would have sacked him by now. In fact I would say he has held his job simply because he has had a tough personal life this year and his mates in nisbett and co. Don't want to make it worse.

Personally I am embarrassed by him being out coach and am not looking forward to where our club will be next year if he remains. It will take a miracle akin to snaring Another cousins and Judd in this years draft to fixing some of the problems.

So it's all the coaches fault, but if we happen to snare a Judd or Cousins in the draft it will fix some of the problems.
Which is it Coach or player?

 

[BIRDBRAIN]

So it's all the coaches fault, but if we happen to snare a Judd or Cousins in the draft it will fix some of the problems.
Which is it Coach or player?

Obviously coach, unless you think trying to win the lottery is a great financial plan for future wealth?

 

[Smotie]

So it's all the coaches fault, but if we happen to snare a Judd or Cousins in the draft it will fix some of the problems.
Which is it Coach or player?

Read again..."SOME"

 

[Smotie]

Did you see our 2010 season?

Really?
What sort of lame question is that? Of course I saw it, every last second of it. As someone else said earlier, we are in a worse position simply because the premiership players almost gone. We don't have the next tier of players coming through but back in 2010 those players were largely injured and still in their prime.

The window is closed again and whereas we usually have a strong midfield to cover our deficiencies we have a shit one.

On top of all that we have a coach that can do no wrong according to the club so in the end nobody is accountable.

So like I said... the worst it has been in history.

 

[dajesmac]

so you reckon what we've drafted has resolved our deficiencies sufficiently?

carter granted was needed to replace butler and smith

hutchings is still unsure whether he will be replacing priddis or not

mcinnes may walkaway due to lack of oppurtunity (where would he play?) colledge has been injury striken.

but have any of these covered our deficiencies in our midfield our most significant problem since judas ran back to mummy and cousins went awol?

no. and this is my issue with our drafting. weve just picked on very vanilla midfielders with no damaging run and this is being reflected on the field. nic nat cant do all the work via his tap outs we need players to win their own ball with grunt and pace. beside wellingham we are still another decent midfielder or two away from causing significant damage to the league. if worsfold doesnt feel this way thats why he needs to go. our deficiencies are not being met and a midfield of shuey, gaff masten wellingham selwood and to a lesser extent kerr and priddis is def not enough considering the latter are nearing their end of their careers.

1) Supplementary to our draft selections we've recruited Hill, Wellingham, Morton and Cripps in the past two years. None of them are vanilla (aside from arguably Morton at pick #88) and all generally fill needs.

2) Hutchings was taken at pick 60 and has so far proven to probably be best available. We needed midfield depth desperately and he's exceeded expectations. Your comment about McInnes walking away is dumb. He's shown an ability to play KPD, KPF and pinch hit in the ruck. If he earns a spot we'll fit him in.

3) Colledge has been injury stricken and therefore he is a failure? Has potential as an inside midfielder, an area where we lack tall players. Reasonable upside at a low price (#45)

4) Additionally, Newman has huge potential as a skillful, pacy, in and under mid.

If you're looking for something to blame for our vanilla midfield, the past two offseasons is not the right place to look.

 

[Ted38]

If we were to keep Woosha I would like to see a skills coach reinstated; more anaerobic ability displayed especially in our midfielders so they can break tackles and run away from packs (if they already have this ability they are not showing it);
new strategies / faster decision making from the coach's box on match day; different strategies around stoppages to win more effective clearances instead of the current get the ball to the back of the pack and kick it over your shoulder approach.

I could suggest replacing some current assistant coaches I am not close enough to it to say who should be replaced. The obvious one would be Burns as the midfield has performed the most below par, but I don't know whether it is because he is a bad coach or doesn't have the freedom to run the midfield how he wants. Either way something needs changing!

Maybe, just maybe the midfielders that we have aren't good enough?

 

[Smotie]

I'd rather put up with another year of Wooshas coaching than read another of your overblown posts.

Hmm pretty sure you don't have to read anything.

 

[SwiftforPM]

Read again..."SOME"

No need!

 

[SwiftforPM]

Obviously coach, unless you think trying to win the lottery is a great financial plan for future wealth?

You mean like every other team in the draft?

 

[SwiftforPM]

Woosha interview on ABC Sportstalk this morning. Some comments (from memory):

1. Woosha feels he can give 100%+ to job.
2. WCE has communication/planning meeting at seasons end and plan for the future.
3. He and Club not happy with the year as it panned out.
4. No mention of major list changes yet.Referred to the need to draft 3 new players and sounded happy with current rookies. I suspect upgrades may occur.
5. He was asked if WCE would/should target bigger bodied midfielders. Seemed to be comfortable with our 'best' midfield largely based on performance last year & Essendon game. I didn't get the impression WCE would be actively addressing Bigfooty's midfield concerns.
6. He and Embers would sit down at years end to determine future. Woosha indicated if margin between Embers and Cripps/Shepherd (replacements for Embers ?) then Embers may be encouraged to retire - that is my interpretation on this part of the interview.
7. Wooshe sees our draft priorities as another ruckman and key defender. More for 2/3 yrs time as backup post Cox/Glass. Happy with ruck stocks and sees Nic Nat & Lycett as key ruck moving forward (also mention Lycett as possible key forward). Happy with MacKenzie, Brown and Schofield as key defenders moving forward.

And then my memory ran out.

Interesting that Worsfold said we may target a KPD defender in this draft, I have previously stated this also, much to the disdain of some posters here on bigfooty.

 

[Masto]

Interesting that Worsfold said we may target a KPD defender in this draft, I have previously stated this also, much to the disdain of some posters here on bigfooty.

Because if there is one thing we need, its more height in defense.

 

[Lucky Luc]

Its just demoralizing , we've become quite average , predictable and very slow.( please don't blame injuries)
And our list has been shown up to be rather shallow without much upside.


We are in for a few lean years with retirements & delistings inevitable.
(Rosa, Kerr, ASelwood, Nikko, ASmith , BDick, AEmbley are GONE this year with another 3 to be added)
Woosha will now be given more time to rebuild & draft some fresh talent.....
I think its going to get very ugly next year, so strap yourselves in...
We will bottom out again. 4-5 wins finish 14th - 17th

 

[SwiftforPM]

Because if there is one thing we need, its more height in defense.

Well in 1 years time when, Glass is gone and Mitch Brown gets injured again like he has done for the majority of his career you would hoping we had a back up - wouldn't you!
Just about all KPD take what 3 years to develop? So yes I think it would be a bloody smart move to pick one up in this years draft.

 

[tesseract]

Well in 1 years time when, Glass is gone and Mitch Brown gets injured again like he has done for the majority of his career you would hoping we had a back up - wouldn't you!
Just about all KPD take what 3 years to develop? So yes I think it would be a bloody smart move to pick one up in this years draft.

As a few have pointed out previously on this board, is that McInnes is capable of being played as a KPD, hence not needing to invest in a new KPD yet, especially in light of WC's midfield deficiencies. And given McInnes is going into his third season next year, he's at that stage in his development to be furthering such by playing some AFL, if form permits.

No one can rightfully use the excuse that McInnes is a KPF so can't be used as a KPD, for so too was Brown initially. When Brown's KPF role didn't pan out, he began to be used a KPD. McInnes is capable of following suit.
McInnes may not have a regular place up forward if WC persist with using the resting ruckman as a third tall up forward, so he may only get games when Kennedy or Darling are injured. WC need to weigh-up their future plan as to whether they're going to go with three talls and a resting ruckman or, two talls and a resting ruckman. If WC go forward with the two tall model, McInnes is effectively on the outer. So, McInnes would then need to decide if he wants to stay as a back-up KPF, pursue a role as a KPD or leave for greener pastures.
McInnes has a leg-up of sorts in regards to a potential role as a KPD, for he's had experience playing at senior WAFL level as a KPD.

Edit add: It's also fitting at this time for a name update. I think SwiftforGP is appropriate.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

We are moving into an era where we are going to be unsuccessful and as much I hate to admit it as supporters we are going to have to deal with it like adults. After 92 and 94 I thought this whole AFL thing is easy then 2005/6 spoilt us some more, get ready for years of meritocracy and disappointment like other clubs have had to endure.

The good side is that the sourness of failure will make the next success taste sweet. Here's to the 2020's

 

[Tiff]

Watch some replays of the last couple of years, Shuey is a ****ing gun.

This guy is what we all bang on about we need. We've added Wellingham who is dripping in class, our backs and forwards are very solid. Fill a couple of spots here and there and draft some mid depth, adjust the prep and get the likes of Nic Nat, Shuey and Hurn on the park and things will be a lot different.

I agree we need a shake up, and would be fine if we replaced Worsfold with a GOOD (who?) coach but things aren't as dire as people make out.

We had a shit year, **** me, you're all like pre pubescent girls.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I agree with the fact the last couple drafts have not been great for us.

Newman in particular annoys me giving the fact he was our first pick. But he's got plenty of time to turn it around.

I've heard people mention the Colledge pick was a failure.. but how can you come up with that conclusion after less then a year? We've literally seen next to nothing of him, due to all his injuries.

 

[erbenz]

That Sports Talk interview is deeply disappointing, though I think a KPD is a handy thing to have post-Glass but you can often find a decent one deep in the draft if you are smart.

I would also be further disappointed in the club if we overlooked the rich amount of midfield talent available in the top 30 this year.

 

[tesseract]

for years of meritocracy...

For years of mediocrity perhaps. Meritocracy can't occur under a jobs for the boys system.