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Marlin01 said:
It's interesting to hear the "remove Worsfold then hire someone else" theory. My natural inclination would be to assess all candidates, including Worsfold and appoint the best, which in all likelihood would result in no change.
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I don't reckon you can do that. If you say to a staff member, look, your position is up for grabs, you can apply but we are going to interview others, what response would they give you?
You have to decide first, whether you are keeping or not, in my mind, but maybe I think a little strangely? :confused::p
 
Marlin01 said:
It's interesting to hear the "remove Worsfold then hire someone else" theory. My natural inclination would be to assess all candidates, including Worsfold and appoint the best, which in all likelihood would result in no change.
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He has had his chance, run his race. It time to move on.

 

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Kepfan said:
How about Sumo to replace Woosha? Would hate to see him leave the dockers but he has years of experience with the Eagles and had done a couple of years under Ross Lyon .... Could do worse.
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Yeh, I think he would be considered. It would have been better if he was under Ross for more than two years though. He was always in charge of our best lines Mids in 05-07 and then Forwards in '11
 
Eagle87 said:
The current Lions situation is that the Board decided Voss shouldn't stay on ...

Which up until a couple of months ago was the view of roughly 95% of the football world...

The other stuff is speculation which has arisen primarily because they handled Voss' exit poorly.

We need to move on from Woosh. The reality is that every coach of a Top 8 side bar Lyon is coaching their first team. Which is to say all of them were unknown quantities as senior coaches before they took over their current club. As was Lyon at St Kilda.

I'm sure similar quality candidates are out there now.

Woosh needs to move on. Arguing about who replaces him is what happens after we make the right decision regarding his future.
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E87, what would you think about WCE approaching Sumich?
 
InTheWings said:
E87, what would you think about WCE approaching Sumich?
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I've never thought of Suma as a great senior coach in prospect. More a Mark Harvey - quality assistant but maybe doesn't have the package of skills necessary for the main job.

That said, you really never know until they do it. I'd reckon all successful coaches had doubts about them before they took the job.
 
Eagle87 said:
I've never thought of Suma as a great senior coach in prospect. More a Mark Harvey - quality assistant but maybe doesn't have the package of skills necessary for the main job.

That said, you really never know until they do it. I'd reckon all successful coaches had doubts about them before they took the job.
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Any names out there you are interested in? Not saying we have to have someone in mind, just asking who you think would be worth talking to.
I've thought the same about Suma, not a great senior coach prospect, but he may prove me wrong. Alan Richardson has long interested me, Simpson from Hawthorn has big wraps on him. Harvey (Robert) may be a left field thought?
 
swannies said:
Any names out there you are interested in? Not saying we have to have someone in mind, just asking who you think would be worth talking to.
I've thought the same about Suma, not a great senior coach prospect, but he may prove me wrong. Alan Richardson has long interested me, Simpson from Hawthorn has big wraps on him. Harvey (Robert) may be a left field thought?
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Logic (and history) tend to suggest that the best coaches come from successful teams (when they played) and they often seem to be guys who were tough uncompromising players.

It helps if they can come from an assistant role with a club that has been successful while they are there.

I reckon Simpson fits the bill. Right age, 3 years at Hawthorn. 2 flags as a player. Uncompromising player. Played well when they were very good and bad. Club captain.

But I'm not sufficiently across the assistants to be sure there aren't other equally viable candidates (and I'm sure there are).
 
Eagle87 said:
Logic (and history) tend to suggest that the best coaches come from successful teams (when they played) and they often seem to be guys who were tough uncompromising players.

It helps if they can come from an assistant role with a club that has been successful while they are there.

I reckon Simpson fits the bill. Right age, 3 years at Hawthorn. 2 flags as a player. Uncompromising player. Played well when they were very good and bad. Club captain.

But I'm not sufficiently across the assistants to be sure there aren't other equally viable candidates (and I'm sure there are).
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According to dargs if you don't know them then why should we get a new coach?
 
This is a defining moment in our hustory. If Woosh stays on i fear he will ruin his own reputation and condemn this club we all love to some very dark days over the next 5-10 years. I'll always love the man for what he has done, but it's time for change!!! I hope the powers that be realise this very soon...
 
Eagle87 said:
Logic (and history) tend to suggest that the best coaches come from successful teams (when they played) and they often seem to be guys who were tough uncompromising players.

It helps if they can come from an assistant role with a club that has been successful while they are there.

I reckon Simpson fits the bill. Right age, 3 years at Hawthorn. 2 flags as a player. Uncompromising player. Played well when they were very good and bad. Club captain.
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Scott Burns ticks a few of those descriptors - I'll go and duck for cover now.

Worsfold doesn't appear to be the sort of guy to admit defeat.

Malthouse had to give him this is 'the end' message as a player - has the board got the courage to give Woosha 'the end' message now?
 
southcoast said:
Scott Burns ticks a few of those descriptors - I'll go and duck for cover now.

Worsfold doesn't appear to be the sort of guy to admit defeat.

Malthouse had to give him this is 'the end' message as a player - has the board got the courage to give Woosha 'the end' message now?
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Burns does. To my mind though we need a fresh perspective at the club. A fresh set of eyes to look at players; playing style etc ...

Burns has been at West Coast for 5 years; before that he was under Malthouse for 8 years. I'm not sure that Woosh & Malthouse is enough variety and I'm sure he isn't "a fresh set of eyes"..

Continuity can be good but at this point in Eagles history I reckon we need a break and something new
 

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Understand the 'different perspective' point of view.

Like you I see a lot of similarities between Malthouse and Worsfold (probably to be expected really).

It is interesting to note that the M & W double have been head coach for all but 5 (?) years of our history. I am sure MOST members would be reasonably happy with the return through these years, albeit we could/should have added a couple more premierships in those years (IMO)

Maybe Burns wouldn't be out of place as Head Coach. Would be worth speaking to I would have thought.
 
You'd think we'd need a midfield overhaul though, and the current midfield coach mightn't be the best person to oversee that.
 
On the other hand he may be the best person to overhaul the midfield.

Of all the people at WCE Burns probably is best placed to assess the midfield. It may be possible the midfielders problems are not coach related - it could be cattle, box structure, coaching dynamics, recruitment, injury, how they fit into the game plan and so on.

Just thinking aloud.
 
David King would be a handy acquisition for our coaching panel.
 
I do enjoy Kingy's comments on match day.

I often wonder how he rates against other possibilities and he would go in the rough and tumble of a coaches box on game day.

I am intrigued that after his year as assistance at Richmond (2005) he hasn't apparently expressed (to my knowledge) or shown a desire to re-enter the coaching sphere. Maybe the media is a very cushy gig.
 
southcoast said:
On the other hand he may be the best person to overhaul the midfield.

Of all the people at WCE Burns probably is best placed to assess the midfield. It may be possible the midfielders problems are not coach related - it could be cattle, box structure, coaching dynamics, recruitment, injury, how they fit into the game plan and so on.

Just thinking aloud.
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My view is we need a fresh set of eyes. We need people from external to look at our list without the years of "bias" built up. It's harder to blow something up when you built it than it is when someone else did... And some parts of our team need to be blown up and rebuilt IMO


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Eagle87 said:
That said, you really never know until they do it. I'd reckon all successful coaches had doubts about them before they took the job.
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100% agree

I know for a fact that Kouta, Allen and Mil Hannah (who was their kind of manager) never rated Woosh at Carlton and he ended up a premiership coach and they ended up with being coached by a circus.

If we are looking at ex WCE players we could do worse then Guy Mckenna
 
Massive fan of Woosha as a player, coach and person but it really does seem that his time is up. It feels like he has run out of ideas and he seems tired in his current role. Even during the 2008-10 seasons he seemed determined and focused with a clear plan but at the moment he appears lost and with no answers.

Obviously Paul Roos would be a great option to replace Woosha but I think Mark Williams would also be a good option, has a hard edge about him, a good coaching record and seems desperate for another opportunity. I also think it wouldn't be a bad idea to introduce someone from completely outside the club.
 
I would prefer Roos to Woosh, essentially just because I am dying for a recognisable and defined gameplan. Also a plan B (but this has been discussed a fair bit). And really only Roos as I don't see any other stand out candidates.

If Roos were unavailable or unwilling I would re-sign Woosha and try to get Cameron Ling as an assistant with a view to replacing Woosh with him in the short to mid-term (depending on results).

I don't rate the wisdom of change just for change sake. Having recently been involved in an organisation conducting massive redundancies, I can promise you that even if you survive the chop, it does create a poor environment and can lead to lower confidence within the group.

Additionally, I would be chasing Voss to assist next year (despite the "We're Full" comment from a fortnight ago). Just my two cents.
 

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