Woosha's First Mistake...

[TheRealBuzz]

...Let's hope it's his last.

I'm talking about Cummings' of course.

Sure his last couple of seasons have been pretty average, but I put that down to both injury and Judgey sucking all the confidence out of him (as well as others).

Big and strong full forwards, who are deadly accurate in front of goal aren't exactly easy to find.
Cummo was also great for team morale, and made training allot more fun and enjoyable for his team-mates.
A fit, confident Cummings' could have kicked 70+ next year.

As far as I'm concerned the following guys deserved to be de-listed way before Cummo:

Harding - Nuff said.

Prior - Older than Cummo. Average half back flanker at best. Coming back from second knee reco.

Green - I know he's young, but I just don't see that much potential in him.

Hunter - See above.
Wooden - Hack

Chambers - Four years on the list and hasn't taken his chances, despite his obvious talent.

Anyway, good luck to Cummings' and his new wife.
If another club doesn’t pick him up, he's sure to have a long career in the media with is great sense of humour.

 

[jod23]

IM SERIOUSLY ****ED OFF!!!!!! I WILL PROCEED TO HATE THE CLUB AND WORSFOLD FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL I GET OVER THIS DISASTER THAT THE CLUB HAS DONE!!!!!! HE LOOKED LIKE A BROKEN MAN AND COULDNT EVEN COMMENT AFTER HE WAS TOLD.

DISGUSTED IN THE EAGLES.....!!

 

[BUBBALOUIS]

Originally posted by jod23
IM SERIOUSLY ****ED OFF!!!!!! I WILL PROCEED TO HATE THE CLUB AND WORSFOLD FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL I GET OVER THIS DISASTER THAT THE CLUB HAS DONE!!!!!! HE LOOKED LIKE A BROKEN MAN AND COULDNT EVEN COMMENT AFTER HE WAS TOLD.

DISGUSTED IN THE EAGLES.....!!

Jod, i know its a cliche but the club is bigger than the individual ...... i know Hawk supporters had similar feelings after the Croad trade but at the end of the day youve got to back the clubs judgement , after all those guys will live and die by the decisions they make ....

I know its still fresh in your mind, my guess is your 'quite some time' might only be a short stretch

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
[BSure his last couple of seasons have been pretty average, but I put that down to both injury and Judgey sucking all the confidence out of him (as well as others).

Big and strong full forwards, who are deadly accurate in front of goal aren't exactly easy to find.
Cummo was also great for team morale, and made training allot more fun and enjoyable for his team-mates.
A fit, confident Cummings' could have kicked 70+ next year.

As far as I'm concerned the following guys deserved to be de-listed way before Cummo:

Harding - Nuff said.

Prior - Older than Cummo. Average half back flanker at best. Coming back from second knee reco.

Green - I know he's young, but I just don't see that much potential in him.

Hunter - See above.
Wooden - Hack

Chambers - Four years on the list and hasn't taken his chances, despite his obvious talent.
[/B]

Most of us liked Scotty but in his last two years he was a shadow of the first. Injured regularly and subject to debate last season of whether he or BB was better. Playing them together never worked and one had to go, particularly with Buszan coming onto the scene. I agree that KJ messed him about but KJ did that to others too and I think the biggest mess up was Scotty's attitude. You are wrong about training. Scotty was popular but was seen as lazy and disruptive in training.
I think the hard choice was there to be made Scotty or BB and BB won.

Prior doesn't come into the equation. He played well in every game before the injury, was a regular in a top Essendon side and still has a lot to offer us.

Green, Hunter, Chambers are all top quality players for the future. Watch them go next season.

Wooden. 12 months ago I was ready to say delist him but he is no Hack. Not a fancy player but hard and determined, quick hands, reads play well and organises players around him. I have been very impressed with him this year.

Harding........I don't rate him at al. Having said that, I thought Carroll was worse at first but he came good. There is an odd chance that Harding may do the same......remote though. More likely that he is on a two year contract that WCE didn't want to pay out.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Hmmmm I think I might have been a little emotive yesterday.

I'm still disappointed that Cumo was de-listed, but I know Woosha is a great man, and he would have thought long and hard about the decision.
If he thinks it is the right decision for the club, then I stand by him.

What I don't understand is Woosha saying that the club is looking to youth.
Why wasn't Dean Buszan promoted then?
Why was Wilson retained?
If I had to choose between Willow and Cummings', I'd definitely go with Scott.

Regarding the other players I mentioned.
It was pretty stupid of me to point the finger at them.

Of the young blokes I mentioned, I only really rate Chambers.
He has the speed and skill to become an AFL player, but just lacks the confidence in his own ability. He might find this under Woosh.

 

[Beausgirl43]

WOOOOOOOOOOOSHAAAA !!!!

cheers...

 

[bunsen burner]

good riddance. Cummings is a softc ock and needed to be shown the door.

 

[Voice of Reason]

It was a hard decision to make, but I think in the end it was the right one.

I like Scotty greatly, but in life you only have so many chances and he hasn't taken them.

The talk about delisting other players shows a misunderstanding of how the AFL works in terms of salary cap and players agreements. Scotty was out of contract and on relatively big money. Others weren't.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
good riddance. Cummings is a softc ock and needed to be shown the door.

A 'softc ock'

That can't be true. His new - hottie - of a wife always seems to have a smile on her face.

 

[WA]

Originally posted by jod23
IM SERIOUSLY ****ED OFF!!!!!! I WILL PROCEED TO HATE THE CLUB AND WORSFOLD FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNTIL I GET OVER THIS DISASTER THAT THE CLUB HAS DONE!!!!!! HE LOOKED LIKE A BROKEN MAN AND COULDNT EVEN COMMENT AFTER HE WAS TOLD.

DISGUSTED IN THE EAGLES.....!!

Was it really that bad? Poor Scotty
I didn't get to see the news and the late news didn't show it, so I haven't seen his reaction - which is probably a good thing!

I really like him, but as I've said before, I think it was a case of too little too late on his behalf.

Let's not blame it on Woosha - in all reality, regardless of who took over from Judgey, it was always on the cards.

Good luck to him in the media - if that is what he does, I think he'll be great!

On KJ's role in the demise of Cummings - IMO he didn't do any favours for either Cummings or Wilson. Both were shafted on a regular basis. When it came down to the fact that only one would stay - Wilson obviously showed more passion & dedication on a regular basis. The fact that Wilson was such a surprise pickup, he knew he'd have to work hard all year rather than perhaps relying a little on reputaion & a previous Coleman medal.

The youth policy = well, as I (& others) have said on numerous occasions - whilst Wilson doesn't have age in years on his side, he doesn't have lingering injuries or the typical battered & patched up body of other 29 years olds who have been playing AFL since they were 19/20.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Cummings is a great bloke, for sure, but Mark Duffield summed it up pretty well in The West this morning when he said that being fit for an AFL season shouldn't be the struggle that Cummings went through each year. KJ did little in the way of helping either of the full forwards with his interchanges during the year, but at the end of the day I think Wilson had the better work ethic and wasn't nearly as easy to throw off his game as Cummings.

Worsfold is to be applauded for making the tough decision.

 

[GoEagles]

Mistake by Woosha? Full credit to him for having to make a very tough decision! I've got nothing against Cummings, he's a great bloke and was quite popular with the faithful, but as they say you can only judge a player on their last game/season. 16 goals from 9 games is hardly impressive. If you look at other BF boards, no other club supporters are too keen on picking him up, (although his first year is always very good).

I know Scotty will enjoy life in whatever way he can (possibly media career) or maybe play a few more seasons with the Black and Whites in the WAFL.

 

[jod23]

I think Whoosha has made amistake...please someone tell me the logic behind it? We are now left with 2 options at FF, one who cant kick straight and at best will get 40 goals next year and the other is untested, with ankle problems.....

Cummings when fit is one of the best FF in the game and always kicks straight, he is a confidence player and if Whoosha would have shown confidence in him i think he would have had a great year next year.

We are now very weak at FF and have no real forward line to speak of other than Fido...bad bad decision.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by jod23
We are now left with 2 options at FF, one who cant kick straight and at best will get 40 goals next year and the other is untested, with ankle problems.....Cummings when fit is one of the best FF in the game

Well I could rewrite that same sentence to say:

"We are now left with 2 options at FF, one who is a far better target and contest marker than Cummings, and another who is both young and talented....Cummings when not at his absolute peak is useless to a first 22."

It just depends how you want to look at things.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by Mr Eagle


Well I could rewrite that same sentence to say:

"We are now left with 2 options at FF, one who is a far better target and contest marker than Cummings, and another who is both young and talented....Cummings when not at his absolute peak is useless to a first 22."

It just depends how you want to look at things.

Exactly ! Those are both if's and but's. Sure Wilson is a better contested mark and target but once he's marked he cant bloody kick it! And again Buszan is young and talented but so is McDougall....get my point.

We know what Cummings can do when fit and with confidence. I think he was worth another shot, it's not like that was a huge decision in the scheme of getting a premiership, we are years from that.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Surely it's because we are at least two years from a Premiership that delisting Cummings is the right decision? We have to build for the future - and in 2 years time, the chances of Scotty being around and firing are very slim.

But anyway - who says that having a specialist FF is the way to play modern footy? I would say that Scotty is one of the last of the specialist FFs. Lloyd is the only other obvious one in the competition and he is a fantastic footballer who happens to play at FF (he could play CHF I'm sure).

Isn't the key to develop a group of players who can grow together playing their own brand of footy towards a Premiership?

In the meantime, Wilson is clearly better value (cheaper) than Cummings - and he can probably play in defence or on a flank, which Scotty can't.

I'll finish with the old cliche - there's no "I" in TEAM.

 

[Kingy]

The days of the pisshead overweight sloth like footballer are gone..Cummings will be able to join that other delisted sloth in Adam Richardson down at Ocean Grove or whereva he crawled out from.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by jod23


Exactly ! Those are both if's and but's.

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We know what Cummings can do when fit and with confidence.

Cummings wasn't a "when", he too was most definitely an "if", and that was my point. You imply that Cummings' being ready to play at full strength was an inevitable thing. That's crud, and we all know it. Cummings, while brilliant at his peak, is also an injury worry and is very easy to throw off his game by a smart opponent, due largely to his on-field personality (think Neitz or Nicholson or whoever it was r15 v Melbourne last year. He stirred Scotty for the first five minutes of the game and the big bloke couldn't help but get aggro and lose concentration). Personality you cannot change, but Cannonball can learn to kick straighter and the young pair will develop with time.

Even at age 29, Wilson has more long term potential (as someone said earlier, due to his not having played AFL football since the start, his body will hold out longer) and is a lot cheaper for the club, so Cummings really could not compete unless he proved his return to form to be utterly inevitable.