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Hawk Dork

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Oh no he doesn't want to sack them, then who would cook the food? Who would enter his password on his iphone when he wants to download an app(he doesnt know his password), who would unlock the gym door? Who would walk their dogs? Who would search on Netflix for the TV show they want to watch? Who would do the dishes, take the bins out? Who would reset the internet when it invariably crashes? Who would unlock the front door?

These are all things they don't know how to do. No he doesn't want to sack anyone, but would like it if the government would pay them instead of him.
lol ....Poor fella would just like some more more money to add to the pile
 

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Work in logistics. Hours have been cut by 50% for this month with the aim of having it back next month but who knows. We pretty much have to "buddy" with someone in the same position and do their work too on the week we are on with the idea volumes will be down 50%. I'm not convinced but not sure I want to argue the point in the current climate
Sure they are looking for excuses to make people redundant
 

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Work in logistics. Hours have been cut by 50% for this month with the aim of having it back next month but who knows. We pretty much have to "buddy" with someone in the same position and do their work too on the week we are on with the idea volumes will be down 50%. I'm not convinced but not sure I want to argue the point in the current climate
Sure they are looking for excuses to make people redundant
they'd rather stand you down than make you redundant
redundancies cost more money up front
 

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They've not made a great start on it.
They are not keen on telling people what is coming either from a safety net perspective or future restrictions.
That lack of clarity has already caused a bunch of people to lose jobs that might not have otherwise.

Hope they have a good announcement tonight on how they are going to keep people sheltered and fed through the lockdown
I think they don't want to scare the shit out of everyone personally, with mass job losses and spare time on hands civil unrest would be a big concern.
 

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Oh no he doesn't want to sack them, then who would cook the food? Who would enter his password on his iphone when he wants to download an app(he doesnt know his password), who would unlock the gym door? Who would walk their dogs? Who would search on Netflix for the TV show they want to watch? Who would do the dishes, take the bins out? Who would reset the internet when it invariably crashes? Who would unlock the front door?

These are all things they don't know how to do. No he doesn't want to sack anyone, but would like it if the government would pay them instead of him.
Your boss sounds a lot like every other multi-millionaire I've known. (Small sample size here, obvs.)
 

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I think they don't want to scare the shit out of everyone personally, with mass job losses and spare time on hands civil unrest would be a big concern.
Uncertainty scares people
How do you plan for whats coming if you don't know what is coming

Repeatedly threatening people with Stage 3 but refusing to provide any information on what Stage 3 would look like is not good for anyone
 

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Uncertainty scares people
How do you plan for whats coming if you don't know what is coming

Repeatedly threatening people with Stage 3 but refusing to provide any information on what Stage 3 would look like is not good for anyone
This is true. I thought the reason they gradually introduced lockdown measures was to get people used to it, if they locked us down straight away people may rebel.

But yeah the stage 3 threats is an interesting one, I figured it would have happened by now, i'm not sure what's going on there.
 

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This is true. I thought the reason they gradually introduced lockdown measures was to get people used to it, if they locked us down straight away people may rebel.

But yeah the stage 3 threats is an interesting one, I figured it would have happened by now, i'm not sure what's going on there.
New Zealand outlined what the 4 stages of lockdown over there would look like at the start
People could see what was coming and prepare
People could see what was coming if they didn't follow the rules as well

Our Governments, State and Federal have all have various wins and losses with communication through this.

One thing that seems common is the weird mixed messaging about the urgency of the situation from a health perspective vs the keep doing what you do from an economic perspective.

So much inconsistency in the rules and as urgent as everything is it feels like the Governments are moving at glacial pace when it comes to anything to do with individual welfare.
 

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New Zealand outlined what the 4 stages of lockdown over there would look like at the start
People could see what was coming and prepare
People could see what was coming if they didn't follow the rules as well

Our Governments, State and Federal have all have various wins and losses with communication through this.

One thing that seems common is the weird mixed messaging about the urgency of the situation from a health perspective vs the keep doing what you do from an economic perspective.

So much inconsistency in the rules and as urgent as everything is it feels like the Governments are moving at glacial pace when it comes to anything to do with individual welfare.
I think what ScoMo is doing is trying to balance the economic and health situation as much as he can. So keep everything going as much as possible while doing "enough" to stop the spread.

I think the inconsistencies also eventuate with states being able to do things a bit differently to each other, not sure how it works in NZ but they seem to be a lot more aligned.
 

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I think what ScoMo is doing is trying to balance the economic and health situation as much as he can. So keep everything going as much as possible while doing "enough" to stop the spread.

I think the inconsistencies also eventuate with states being able to do things a bit differently to each other, not sure how it works in NZ but they seem to be a lot more aligned.
Feds are responsible for the Economy
States are responsible for local health, education, transport and law enforcement

The issue is the primary focus of the Federal Government is keeping the economy going and we know that philosophically most of them think socialism is a dirty word. Plus they will have their mates who don't need the money with their hand out asking for the funding to go to them before the people who need it.

They've also made the mistake of using strong words against social welfare early on that they are now having to back track with teeth gritted and they don't like admitting they might have been wrong.
 

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Feds are responsible for the Economy
States are responsible for local health, education, transport and law enforcement

The issue is the primary focus of the Federal Government is keeping the economy going and we know that philosophically most of them think socialism is a dirty word. Plus they will have their mates who don't need the money with their hand out asking for the funding to go to them before the people who need it.

They've also made the mistake of using strong words against social welfare early on that they are now having to back track with teeth gritted and they don't like admitting they might have been wrong.
Mofra did a thread on this topic in SRP which is pretty spot on I reckon.
 

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The problem I see with retail is unfortunately the large net it casts over varying different businesses. Shopping centres still contain supermarkets and electronic stores/rebel sport and others that probably aren't doing too badly at present. Fashion seems to be slowly but surely realising it has no other option but to close before they become close to being closed for good.
 

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There is hope that this current crisis is simply one of an abnormal drop in consumer demand that should recover once the worst aspects of the lockdown pass.

That does at least provide some comfort that the recovery process should be faster than previous scenarios such as the GFC / early 90s recession.
 

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There is hope that this current crisis is simply one of an abnormal drop in consumer demand that should recover once the worst aspects of the lockdown pass.

That does at least provide some comfort that the recovery process should be faster than previous scenarios such as the GFC / early 90s recession.
That will depend on lots of things
The economic carnage caused by massive unemployment and whether there's a second wave and whether there is still the same appetite for a materialistic lifestyle, after we have stared into our navel for a few months and contemplated our own mortality and what really matters in life.
 

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That will depend on lots of things
The economic carnage caused by massive unemployment and wether theres a second wave and whether there is still the same appetite for a materialistic lifestyle, after we have stared into our navel for a few months and contemplated our own mortatality and what really matters in life.
True, although if you compare it to the GFC that was an entire systematic collapse of the world banking system. Inter-bank landing stopped overnight, loan warehousing ceased, etc.

At the very least capital requirements for banks are much higher now so they should be better prepared to weather a storm. Governments have learned that austerity doesn't work so by and large are stepping in to support aggregate demand for the next 6 months at least.
 

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True, although if you compare it to the GFC that was an entire systematic collapse of the world banking system. Inter-bank landing stopped overnight, loan warehousing ceased, etc.

At the very least capital requirements for banks are much higher now so they should be better prepared to weather a storm. Governments have learned that austerity doesn't work so by and large are stepping in to support aggregate demand for the next 6 months at least.
GFC didnt really scare the majority of Australians, we got a new TV, a new school hall and most were pretty happy to keep their jobs and houses,it wasn't going to kill us either.
We were ready to keep shopping 1 roll of toilet paper a month
 

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My job disappeared during the GFC. Just went and hid in the education sector for a couple of years until things picked up again.

Harder to do that with this one.
 

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Anyone know the implications of stand downs in relation to Long Service Leave and other entitlements?
I looked into this regarding LSL and just be aware that LSL rules can be different between states, but even if stood down as a result of government shutdown, your service is still deemed to be continuous. For annual leave during Stand Down, you don’t have to take it, but if you have a balance of over 8 weeks, your employer can make you take it.
 

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I looked into this regarding LSL and just be aware that LSL rules can be different between states, but even if stood down as a result of government shutdown, your service is still deemed to be continuous. For annual leave during Stand Down, you don’t have to take it, but if you have a balance of over 8 weeks, your employer can make you take it.
I'm one that has a lot of annual leave. My (probably wrong) way of looking at it is, that in the event of a shutdown I would like to still get paid for the brunt of it and if I had to use my annual leave to do so I gladly would. In saying that, I'd also fear not having a job to return to once the "shutdown" period is over and they decide to go in another direction (as in your position is now redundant). If that were to happen I'd be paid out just over 3 months regular pay PLUS annual leave payments. If that was the case I'd be less expensive if I were to be kept on!
 

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I'm one that has a lot of annual leave. My (probably wrong) way of looking at it is, that in the event of a shutdown I would like to still get paid for the brunt of it and if I had to use my annual leave to do so I gladly would. In saying that, I'd also fear not having a job to return to once the "shutdown" period is over and they decide to go in another direction (as in your position is now redundant). If that were to happen I'd be paid out just over 3 months regular pay PLUS annual leave payments. If that was the case I'd be less expensive if I were to be kept on!
I would want to keep my leave for OS travel when it was possible in the future
 

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