While that's true, many of them still have the chance to improve while Priddis never will. To me, he is just holding down the fort while better players mature. I would rather play Tom Swift and Koby Stevens and lose by an extra 30-40 points. At least that way I feel we would be going somewhere. Sure, negative and narrow-minded people like sdb4884 will crack the sads on bigfooty and demand the immediate inclusions of Priddis, Hams and Callum Wilson but surely we are a big enough club to rise above that.
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While that's true, many of them still have the chance to improve while Priddis never will. To me, he is just holding down the fort while better players mature. I would rather play Tom Swift and Koby Stevens and lose by an extra 30-40 points. At least that way I feel we would be going somewhere. Sure, negative and narrow-minded people like sdb4884 will crack the sads on bigfooty and demand the immediate inclusions of Priddis, Hams and Callum Wilson but surely we are a big enough club to rise above that.
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I wish you couldnt be bothered more often - given your lack of substance and inability to see whats actually being raised.
Shuey wasn't at all good today. He is 20 and in about his 15th game. Its understandable.
What was his part? To get it and create nothing while routinely seeing whoever was opposed to him run forward and kill us? Getting the ball is a key in footy but anyone who watches modern footy understands that an inability to make smart decisions and execute is just as key. He set up "nothing" today from 32 touches.... Thomas had 30 and Pendlebury had 31 ..
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OK people, let's stop the Priddis is crap debate that has run in circles for years now. Accept poster A thinks he's a demi-god and poster B thinks he's akin to **** on a bull.
If you really want to waste time writing about it can I suggest you implore the Eagles, via email to the coach, to reconsider their stance on his position in the team. You'll get more result from that than arguing in circles on here for eternity.
It only goes in circles because some folk think he is actually a demi-god and can actually lead us to the promised land. Those same folk always seem to equate any criticism of his (and lets be honest there is lots to criticise) as "Priddis is crap".
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But in that case the issue isn't Priddis, it's the team selection and the coaching.
People are knocking Priddis, not Worsfold.
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I feel you're just being silly now and trying to wind up certain posters?
Maybe it's time I just close the thread?
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We can't compare the stats of Masten, Kerr, Shuey etc. and Priddis because they were used differently. If Priddis was used as a sub or plonked in the forward line his stats would be not nearly as impressive.
Priddis was OK today but had bugger all real influence on the game, like most of our players.
As long as Priddis is in the team his disposal will remain an issue. He is just too one-dimensional and limited for a modern day AFL player.
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Swannies - I'm not sure it is that bad that people are still debating the role of the guy who stands under our Rucks and is our main play maker. It is a real issue of contention it seems. I wish the circle work would stop, but it seems that people that value Priddis' input more than others just like to say that the other side of the coin are just saying "Priddis is shit".
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
So Priddis is accountable for our forwards not being able to convert?
We got smashed at the clearances in the first quarter and on the back of Priddis' work in the second we had almost evened it up by quarter time
True.
We kicked 1.5 in a quarter in which Priddis dominated the ball and was everywhere ....
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So Priddis is accountable for our forwards not being able to convert?
We got smashed at the clearances in the first quarter and on the back of Priddis' work in the second we had almost evened it up by quarter time
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
I'm not quite sure you grasp some basic concepts of footy. When your main man in the middle has a dominant quarter "evens up the clearances" (as you suggest), has 13 possessions and you are outscored by a team that manages 3.1 for the quarter, it suggests said main man struggles to really convert his possession into meaningful impact.
I'm sure you can keep blaming the forwards, the outside mids, the rucks and, in fact, everyone else ... but ultimately, when, say, Thomas had a similar quarter the impact was staggering .... thats the reason Priddis needs to be a peripheral player ... and is in fact just a plodder ... he can have 35 possessions and be noticed for little reason other than weight of possession (as opposed to what he did with them) ...
but, as you were, let the jizzing continue
So Priddis is accountable for our forwards not being able to convert?
We got smashed at the clearances in the first quarter and on the back of Priddis' work in the second we had almost evened it up by quarter time
I'm not quite sure you grasp some basic concepts of footy. When your main man in the middle has a dominant quarter "evens up the clearances" (as you suggest), has 13 possessions and you are outscored by a team that manages 3.1 for the quarter, it suggests said main man struggles to really convert his possession into meaningful impact.
I'm sure you can keep blaming the forwards, the outside mids, the rucks and, in fact, everyone else ... but ultimately, when, say, Thomas had a similar quarter the impact was staggering .... thats the reason Priddis needs to be a peripheral player ... and is in fact just a plodder ... he can have 35 possessions and be noticed for little reason other than weight of possession (as opposed to what he did with them) ...
but, as you were, let the jizzing continue
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
More encouragement votes for Priddis from the coaches.
More encouragement votes for Priddis from the coaches.
Re: Votes vs Collingwood
he was the only player from WC to get any coaches votes. enough said.
True.
We kicked 1.5 in a quarter in which Priddis dominated the ball and was everywhere ....
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he was the only player from WC to get any coaches votes. enough said.
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
Again, how is that "enough said"? One coach gave him 2 votes. One coach have O'Brien 4 votes and the other 0 - does that mean O'Brien was awesome or that coaches have vastly different views on players performance the same as fans?
I didn't say Priddis was awful, i said he was largely ineffective and that similar players, in similar key roles for the other side, killed us with similar levels of possession. Thats both true and makes my point. He is a hard working plodder with little hurt factor.
Again, how is that "enough said"? One coach gave him 2 votes. One coach have O'Brien 4 votes and the other 0 - does that mean O'Brien was awesome or that coaches have vastly different views on players performance the same as fans?
I didn't say Priddis was awful, i said he was largely ineffective and that similar players, in similar key roles for the other side, killed us with similar levels of possession. Thats both true and makes my point. He is a hard working plodder with little hurt factor.
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
Thomas is not a similar player at all
If we are bagging players for not being as effective as say Thomas and Pendlebury - then I'm a little surprised you haven't unloaded on Kerr, Shuey, Rosa, Embley, Selwood. All of them were largely ineffective
Thomas was comfotably BOG and guess what - the midfield isn't set up around him and amazingly he can still have an impact.
So look forward to your critical assessment of all of our midfielders.
Thomas is not a similar player at all
If we are bagging players for not being as effective as say Thomas and Pendlebury - then I'm a little surprised you haven't unloaded on Kerr, Shuey, Rosa, Embley, Selwood. All of them were largely ineffective
Thomas was comfotably BOG and guess what - the midfield isn't set up around him and amazingly he can still have an impact.
So look forward to your critical assessment of all of our midfielders.
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
TFS you vacillate between seeming to have a grasp of concepts and silly BF, well, silliness.
My "bagging" of Priddis is in direct proportion to the level of unwarranted adulation he receives. We still have blokes on here talking of him in terms of superstar mids.... he was ok on the weekend, worked very hard, got his head over the ball and did ok. But when he did have his "dominant" period we got little value for it because of his inability to do much.
Of course Thomas is a different player - I didn't say he wasn't, I simply pointed out, again, that really good players impact the result when they get large possession totals - mid-range types not so much ....
Kerr was quite good on the weekend and certainly more damaging with ball in hand - he spent way too much time forward and thats likely based on a combination of factors including the decision to play NN & Cox through the middle at the same time (quite a lot) and the apparent need our coaches have to play Pridda in the same spot almost 100% of game time ...
A decent enough game from an honest toiler who is too significant a part of our midfield ....
TFS you vacillate between seeming to have a grasp of concepts and silly BF, well, silliness.
My "bagging" of Priddis is in direct proportion to the level of unwarranted adulation he receives. We still have blokes on here talking of him in terms of superstar mids.... he was ok on the weekend, worked very hard, got his head over the ball and did ok. But when he did have his "dominant" period we got little value for it because of his inability to do much.
Of course Thomas is a different player - I didn't say he wasn't, I simply pointed out, again, that really good players impact the result when they get large possession totals - mid-range types not so much ....
Kerr was quite good on the weekend and certainly more damaging with ball in hand - he spent way too much time forward and thats likely based on a combination of factors including the decision to play NN & Cox through the middle at the same time (quite a lot) and the apparent need our coaches have to play Pridda in the same spot almost 100% of game time ...
A decent enough game from an honest toiler who is too significant a part of our midfield ....
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
No he wasn't - he was average (not poor just average) and just as responsible for bombing the ball as any other bloke.
Priddis was involved in the most score assists in our team - not bad for a bloke who was in and under. Was he better than Thomas? - hardly a mile from him.
Was he better than our other mids - probably - and at least one coach thought so. I'd rather have a go at the players that didn't perform rather than those that did. In fact - i don't reckon there's too many to have a 'go' at - we just met a superior opposition who played high quality football for 4 quarters and set a benchmark a developing side should aspire to.
When priddis got first hand on the ball we had our most competitive quarter, controlled the ball for lengths of time and had more scoring shots than our opposition.
Who else was there to influence the game in the other quarters? We already know from Thomas you don't have to be a clearance specialist to influence the game - so where were our other midfielders influencing the result?
No he wasn't - he was average (not poor just average) and just as responsible for bombing the ball as any other bloke.
Priddis was involved in the most score assists in our team - not bad for a bloke who was in and under. Was he better than Thomas? - hardly a mile from him.
Was he better than our other mids - probably - and at least one coach thought so. I'd rather have a go at the players that didn't perform rather than those that did. In fact - i don't reckon there's too many to have a 'go' at - we just met a superior opposition who played high quality football for 4 quarters and set a benchmark a developing side should aspire to.
When priddis got first hand on the ball we had our most competitive quarter, controlled the ball for lengths of time and had more scoring shots than our opposition.
Who else was there to influence the game in the other quarters? We already know from Thomas you don't have to be a clearance specialist to influence the game - so where were our other midfielders influencing the result?
Re: Votes vs Collingwood
Btw, are you too superior to us to allow us to see who you thought where 1-5?
Think you've lost control here. Noone suggests he's a superstar mid but hes comfortably a B+ mid who is damn good at clearances.
Btw, are you too superior to us to allow us to see who you thought where 1-5?
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Re: Votes vs Collingwood
I'd struggle to find 5 ....
The fact that Lynch, A Selwood & Priddis would likely be among them probably explains why we were comprehensively flogged.
Our consistent, experienced players are, by and large, pretty average and the game on the weekend showed that we need our kids to develop as quickly as possible - as a number of them have more talent then those mentioned.
Again, that remains my point, playing hard working average players in positions of significant influence in ones game plan places pressure on those around them and increase the chance of you being exploited in those positions against the really good sides.
Its not that some blokes I "bag" can't play at all but that they need to be superseded by ones with more talent in order for us to genuinely compete for flags. The question is do you stick with them because they are the current best option or do you actively role more talented but less "ready" players through their position with an eye firmly on the future?
The "make em earn it group" and the "well they can just fit in around them group" both think their positions are better but they are flawed IMO.
My question is have we built the team and the structure to take us forward already and we will just be getting normal development + the odd change, OR are we a team still trying to figure out who goes where and still looking for numerous players in certain positions?
I mean have we identified our Cotchin & Martin etc as THE midfield we are building and does that include Priddis - if so then fine, we ride that to a series of ok finishes. My view is we need way more class in there and he needs to be moved. The more "great" games he has where he does very little to positively impact the outcome the more my view firms...
I mean TFS is arguing that he was good because he had more goal assists them anyone else. He played almost the entire game as our main offensive mid through the middle and he had 32 touches ... he has to do something .. but we were completely and utterly flogged in his position ... surely that has to be of some concern?
I'd struggle to find 5 ....
The fact that Lynch, A Selwood & Priddis would likely be among them probably explains why we were comprehensively flogged.
Our consistent, experienced players are, by and large, pretty average and the game on the weekend showed that we need our kids to develop as quickly as possible - as a number of them have more talent then those mentioned.
Again, that remains my point, playing hard working average players in positions of significant influence in ones game plan places pressure on those around them and increase the chance of you being exploited in those positions against the really good sides.
Its not that some blokes I "bag" can't play at all but that they need to be superseded by ones with more talent in order for us to genuinely compete for flags. The question is do you stick with them because they are the current best option or do you actively role more talented but less "ready" players through their position with an eye firmly on the future?
The "make em earn it group" and the "well they can just fit in around them group" both think their positions are better but they are flawed IMO.
My question is have we built the team and the structure to take us forward already and we will just be getting normal development + the odd change, OR are we a team still trying to figure out who goes where and still looking for numerous players in certain positions?
I mean have we identified our Cotchin & Martin etc as THE midfield we are building and does that include Priddis - if so then fine, we ride that to a series of ok finishes. My view is we need way more class in there and he needs to be moved. The more "great" games he has where he does very little to positively impact the outcome the more my view firms...
I mean TFS is arguing that he was good because he had more goal assists them anyone else. He played almost the entire game as our main offensive mid through the middle and he had 32 touches ... he has to do something .. but we were completely and utterly flogged in his position ... surely that has to be of some concern?