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Those of us with a balanced view realise he is, at best, a role playing mid with some serious flaws that limit him and the side.

Those who have NFI tend to see that as hate.

"Marking Ablett" :D... mate learn how to watch football and then people may take you seriously .... The next time Priddis marks anyone will be the first and a sideways 3m handball to a bloke in no better position is not a handball to advantage ...

LOL! how ironic
 
Interesting he is in the top 10 players in the league according to champion data which doesnt just rely on number of stats.

What does it include?

-Pace
-Agility
-Decision making
-Effectiveness of clearances
-Ringletts per sq/cm
-Ability to chase someone down

Does it take into account the quality of the ruckman palming it down his throat? :D

Interested in knowing what else it takes into consideration besides stats?
 
Are you really? or are you just trolling?

Its flawed but its the best system we currently have at ranking players, and Priddis is ranked pretty well.

Priddis got a CD score of over 140 in the infamous "worst 40 possession game in history" v Hawthorn a couple of years ago. He routinely gets high CD scores in games in which even his family would agree he was poor...

He has been one of the finest STATS players since he was 15. Changes nothing ....

But thanks for your comments Mrs Priddis :D
 
He is ranked very well according to Rohan Connolly - Priddis is in his current All-Australian selection at the season's half-way point :cool:

He's in Tony Shaws too :D

Tony kept emphasising that STATISTICALLY, Priddis is having one of the all-time great seasons ... must have referred to STATS about 30 times in justifying his selection.

The Matt Priddis era - stats over performance, every day of the week ...
 
What does it include?

-Pace
-Agility
-Decision making
-Effectiveness of clearances
-Ringletts per sq/cm
-Ability to chase someone down

Does it take into account the quality of the ruckman palming it down his throat? :D

Interested in knowing what else it takes into consideration besides stats?

For what it's worth, it does take into consideration:
- Effectiveness of clearances, i.e. highest points are credited for long kicks inside 50 that either score a goal or hit a team-mate (deliberately - not due to a screamer from team-mate that scores a goal)
- Ability to chase someone down, i.e. you get more points for a run-down tackle than a tackle in congestion
- Quality of ruckman, i.e. you get less points if the ball is hit straight to you and you can get a possession away then if you have to win your own ball.
 

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Priddis got a CD score of over 140 in the infamous "worst 40 possession game in history" v Hawthorn a couple of years ago. He routinely gets high CD scores in games in which even his family would agree he was poor...

He has been one of the finest STATS players since he was 15. Changes nothing ....

But thanks for your comments Mrs Priddis :D

You should know at least these 2 things by now:

1. I dont pay attention to anything you have to say in relation to Priddis
2. Nothing you do say will change my opinion of him in the slightest
 
You should know at least these 2 things by now:

1. I dont pay attention to anything you have to say in relation to Priddis
2. Nothing you do say will change my opinion of him in the slightest

So, basically, I debunk your silly notion (again), so you decide to put your hands over your ears and stomp your feet and ignore me.

Fair enough. I'd avoid arguing with me if I was as incapable as you are of constructing an actual argument.
 

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For what it's worth, it does take into consideration:
- Effectiveness of clearances, i.e. highest points are credited for long kicks inside 50 that either score a goal or hit a team-mate (deliberately - not due to a screamer from team-mate that scores a goal)
- Ability to chase someone down, i.e. you get more points for a run-down tackle than a tackle in congestion
- Quality of ruckman, i.e. you get less points if the ball is hit straight to you and you can get a possession away then if you have to win your own ball.

Interesting that there is that much detail taken into account.
I read on the CD site that kicking to a 50/50 contest even when you yourself are open doesn't dock you any points. While a turnover gets you - points. Would be better if they took your position into account when using the footy ie; in 10m space by yourself you kick a 25m helicopter to a guy down the line who was open but by the time your slow sideways turning heli got there a defender came over the top and spoiled. I use this as an example because it is this type frustration I have with Priddis but they don't effect his CD score negatively.
Other than that he gets plenty of it, doesn't turn it over directly by hand or foot so he is not going punished in his CD score. In other words it still tends to award stats overall, it just goes into more detail about points for each one.

How do they look at a Jobe Watson handball that does not go to a teammate but goes to space on his team mates side of his contest for him to run on to? That would effect his disposal efficiency negatively but creats space, time and momentum for his team mate.

I noticed on the CD site they don't give away all of their details which is a shame because it would be good to see what formula they use exactly to come up with them. Out of curiosity where did you get your details from?
 
In the case of the Jobe Watson handball that would be considered an effective clearance at least but only if his team mate is able to then deliver an effective handball or kick as well.

Clearances dont count if you pass it to someone and they are not able to effectively dispose of the ball to a team mate.
 
Interesting that there is that much detail taken into account.
I read on the CD site that kicking to a 50/50 contest even when you yourself are open doesn't dock you any points. While a turnover gets you - points.
Correct (well for short kicks, i.e. <40 metres) - I guess the point of this is that you don't score any points for short kicks to a contest.

Would be better if they took your position into account when using the footy ie; in 10m space by yourself you kick a 25m helicopter to a guy down the line who was open but by the time your slow sideways turning heli got there a defender came over the top and spoiled.
Possibly yes - although I would note it doesn't matter how much space you're in if the player you are kicking to is not in space. Again in the example you use no points are awarded so although it is not a negative score it is certainly not helping towards a high ranking.

Other than that he gets plenty of it, doesn't turn it over directly by hand or foot so he is not going punished in his CD score. In other words it still tends to award stats overall, it just goes into more detail about points for each one.
Yep. More relevant in Priddis' case is that it also awards points for how you get hold of the ball - i.e. handball receives or uncontested marks are worth very little where as hard ball gets or contested marks are worth good points. Priddis leads the league in contested possessions and this is where he picks up a lot of his points. He also tends to be involved in a lot of scoring plays either directly (i.e. direct score assist, i.e. last possession before a score is scored) or indirectly (i.e. involved in a chain of uninterrupted play that leads to a score) which are higher weighted possessions.

How do they look at a Jobe Watson handball that does not go to a teammate but goes to space on his team mates side of his contest for him to run on to? That would effect his disposal efficiency negatively but creats space, time and momentum for his team mate.
No, this isn't quite right - if his team-mate runs onto it, this is an effective disposal.

I noticed on the CD site they don't give away all of their details which is a shame because it would be good to see what formula they use exactly to come up with them.
There are a couple of issues with doing this:
1) There are a huge amount of different stat types that are taken into account and listing them all is unrealistic, i.e. for a kick you can have short kick, long kick, ground kick, ineffective kick, clanger kick plus inside 50, rebound 50 or any scoring results for any of the above options. There are a lot of smaller stats that are recorded as well - i.e. knock-ons, spoils, blocks etc.
2) The rankings are normalised - this happens both within a game and between games. For instance within a game, if the match is blown out of the water early then first quarter statistics will be weighted higher (as that was when the game was close). Conversely if the game goes down to the wire last quarter statistics are weighted higher. Between games every match is normalised such that they all finish with about 3,300 ranking points awarded. This is designed on the basis that every game is worth the same 4 points ... although it does mean that a good performer in an otherwise ordinary game can get a more highly rated performance than a good performer in a cracking game where there are plenty of other good performers.
So although there is a nominal points per stat it does change based on the normalisation described above.

Out of curiosity where did you get your details from?
I have a bit of inside knowledge ...
 

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