News Workhorse (Priddis) Improves Efficiency

[sTeeL]

Lucky for me and shoe, the coaches easily see his worth as demonstrated by the article by Burnsy. Thank god none of you are running an AFL team...

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: Rnd 7 Votes vs Dons

So would I. But he starts centre square, so you'd have to move Priddis....

It was frustrating yesterday seeing Shuey start on wings and flanks and even Kerr did at stages. All because some slow bloke needs 85% of game time in the middle.

You do realise that the centre bounces don't equate to 85% of game time?

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Rnd 7 Votes vs Dons

You do realise that the centre bounces don't equate to 85% of game time?

You may have noticed the significance of centre bounces this season? Perhaps not.....

Who is in there for 85% of them?

I was responding to a post suggesting we see more of Scooter in an "attacking" role. Most sides start 3 mids in the middle at bounces. Most sides start with 2 offensive mids and a run with player. Scooter gets run with duties, if he was to play the more attacking role, then Priddis (who does get somewhere around 80%+ of midfield game time) would either (a) be the other attacking option or (b) be required to tag or (c) get the hell off the field. Pretty simple.

Again, the point remains that playing Priddis in the only position he can play for as much game time as he does means that other players have to fit in around him. Whether thats for better or worse depends on perspective. My abiding view is he can't be the key player he is now if we want to genuinely contend for a flag ... and given the role he plays and the amount of time he gets in it, I reckon it holds back on us developed players with more talent in that sort of role...

But hey, it likely makes us somewhat more competitive now, so Woosh (& the other coaches) stand, perhaps, a better chance of being retained...

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: Rnd 7 Votes vs Dons

You may have noticed the significance of centre bounces this season? Perhaps not.....

Who is in there for 85% of them?

I was responding to a post suggesting we see more of Scooter in an "attacking" role. Most sides start 3 mids in the middle at bounces. Most sides start with 2 offensive mids and a run with player. Scooter gets run with duties, if he was to play the more attacking role, then Priddis (who does get somewhere around 80%+ of midfield game time) would either (a) be the other attacking option or (b) be required to tag or (c) get the hell off the field. Pretty simple.

Again, the point remains that playing Priddis in the only position he can play for as much game time as he does means that other players have to fit in around him. Whether thats for better or worse depends on perspective. My abiding view is he can't be the key player he is now if we want to genuinely contend for a flag ... and given the role he plays and the amount of time he gets in it, I reckon it holds back on us developed players with more talent in that sort of role...

But hey, it likely makes us somewhat more competitive now, so Woosh (& the other coaches) stand, perhaps, a better chance of being retained...

Last I checked the significance of centre bounces has always been pretty important.

The fact that he does take a large proportion of the centre bounces doesn't restrict Shuey or Kerr from getting involved in every other stoppage on the ground. There were 95 ruck contests on the weekend - which means that 64 weren't in the centre square. So whether you started on a wing or a flank and came into the midfield - you were still a chance of winning it 64 times.

So do we blame Priddis for the fact that Shuey struggled to go near the ball on Sunday and missed his opportunites when they arose?

Why did Kerr get to run rampant in the first quarter and a bit?

Priddis was average on the weekend - i believe i've already agreed with you on that - but suggesting that because he starts in the square means other blokes don't get a run through the guts is 1970's thinking.

There'd be about 8-10 midfielders in every team. The days of the three in the guts is long gone.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Rnd 7 Votes vs Dons

Last I checked the significance of centre bounces has always been pretty important.

The fact that he does take a large proportion of the centre bounces doesn't restrict Shuey or Kerr from getting involved in every other stoppage on the ground. There were 95 ruck contests on the weekend - which means that 64 weren't in the centre square. So whether you started on a wing or a flank and came into the midfield - you were still a chance of winning it 64 times.

So do we blame Priddis for the fact that Shuey struggled to go near the ball on Sunday and missed his opportunites when they arose?

Why did Kerr get to run rampant in the first quarter and a bit?

Priddis was average on the weekend - i believe i've already agreed with you on that - but suggesting that because he starts in the square means other blokes don't get a run through the guts is 1970's thinking.

There'd be about 8-10 midfielders in every team. The days of the three in the guts is long gone.

Worryingly, I reckon you may actually believe what you wrote.

Of course there are multiple midfielders and of course there are more than 3 per team around contests.... and of course they are all used at each set up to get their own ball - oh wait, maybe that last bit isn't accurate, maybe we have set ups for most ruck contests that involve players playing specific roles, with ruckman trying to tap to specific areas and so on ... or maybe I'm dreaming and it just looks that way....

Staggering that in this era where anyone of, say 8-10 blokes can just go and get their own ball at every none centre bounce clearance that we still have blokes like Judd & Ablett who seem to be "featured" mids, you know guys that teams run plays for and stuff ...

In case you haven't noticed we typically set up with Pridda as our main inside mid wherever the contest maybe and thats a weakness IMO. Of course we actually used Kerr in that role for much of Sundays game and, one would hope, that even blokes with your 1970's style understanding of footy, saw the difference between a quality mid and a plodder in that role... perhaps not, because you were wondering why our 9th midfielder wasn't winning as much of his own footy as Pridda ...

 

[placebo]

I honestly am far less worried about Kerr, Lecras, NicNat, even Cox's missing a game than i am about Priddis missing.

I mean, sure, I understand...it's not like we'd want match winners playing (like Kerr, Lecca, Cox and NN), we'd defs be better off with a role player (who can only play one role) playing if giving the choice out of those 5.


Seriously though, that is ridiculous.

 

[shoe]

I mean, sure, I understand...it's not like we'd want match winners playing (like Kerr, Lecca, Cox and NN), we'd defs be better off with a role player (who can only play one role) playing if giving the choice out of those 5.


Seriously though, that is ridiculous.

Not in the slightest.

We don't have any other extractors as good as him to get the ball out to those match winners. Kerr takes the first tagger, and even if Kerr is out, Priddis I reckon is still better at shaking a tag than Kerr.

Good teams need good workhorses and don't function without them.

 

[Double the Fist]

So would I. But he starts centre square, so you'd have to move Priddis....

It was frustrating yesterday seeing Shuey start on wings and flanks and even Kerr did at stages. All because some slow bloke needs 85% of game time in the middle.

Maybe Woosh is keeping one of his greatest assets out of the grind of the center untill he has another preseason and more bulk. Pretty sure Woosh kept Masten out because of his flimsy knee ligaments!!!
Remember this is the first year Shoe has been injury free and maybe being cotton balled. Masten played the guts this year after being outside last year.
Food for thought anyway.

 

[no1bankteller]

Lucky for me and shoe, the coaches easily see his worth as demonstrated by the article by Burnsy. Thank god none of you are running an AFL team...

I would be happy if they ran any other team but WCE personally.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Re: Rnd 7 Votes vs Dons

In case you haven't noticed we typically set up with Pridda as our main inside mid wherever the contest maybe and thats a weakness IMO. Of course we actually used Kerr in that role for much of Sundays game and, one would hope, that even blokes with your 1970's style understanding of footy, saw the difference between a quality mid and a plodder in that role... perhaps not, because you were wondering why our 9th midfielder wasn't winning as much of his own footy as Pridda ...

Kerr's a better footballer than Priddis? Stop the presses !! Wow, next you are going to suggest Judd's better than him as well. Let's sack all inside mdfielders who aren't as good as Kerr or Judd.

So was Priddis a plodder in the role last week when both coaches gave him BOG? Perhaps he just had a shit game on Sunday - it's one of the poorer games I've seen him deliver, as last week was one of the better ones.

You might also note he was at least considered good enough by Hird &/or Thompson to attract the main tag at the start of the game - that would suggest other coaches rate him as well. I mean why would you tag the 8th best midfielder who is just a plodder?

No one's arguing that Priddis is a top 10 footballer in the league - merely that he is more than adequately in our top 8 midfielders and deserves a run in the side. It's up to other blokes to get in there and force him out with performances. None of the young mids have been able to take their chances at the clearances yet - with perhaps Scott Selwood being most adept.

Until they do - leave the guy who is decent at it do his job - when they pass him either relegate him to a suport role or drop him from the side.

 

[Trouto]

It's funny to me that a servant to the club as Priddis has such a large hate base from our own supporters. Or maybe it's small and they are very, very loud??? Anyhow, this board is the only place where i ever see or hear negative press on the man. Every other opinion of Priddis, from our coaches to opposition coaches to media people think he is a "champion midfielder"... yeah i hear that excact statement all the time when people talk about Priddis.

I seriously only hear negatives about him on BF.

I guess haters gotta hate.

 

[Prem87]

Bit like Stanton

 

[The Dodger]

It's funny to me that a servant to the club as Priddis has such a large hate base from our own supporters. Or maybe it's small and they are very, very loud??? Anyhow, this board is the only place where i ever see or hear negative press on the man. Every other opinion of Priddis, from our coaches to opposition coaches to media people think he is a "champion midfielder"... yeah i hear that excact statement all the time when people talk about Priddis.

I seriously only hear negatives about him on BF.

I guess haters gotta hate.

I don't understand how you see it as hate?
A lot of Priddis' detractors on this board understand he is a workhorse and does a lot for the footy club but argue that he is limited in what he can deliver, so why base a midfield around a guy that by the time you hopefully have the right ingredients to challenge will be obsolete. That is not hate. Once again if hard work, guts & determination was all it took to be a great footballer then by all means line up Priddis & McGinnity side by side. It takes more, especially for the number 1 inside role for a team.
It's a critique of his position in the team and how he is used not of Priddis personally.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I don't understand how you see it as hate?
A lot of Priddis' detractors on this board understand he is a workhorse and does a lot for the footy club but argue that he is limited in what he can deliver, so why base a midfield around a guy that by the time you hopefully have the right ingredients to challenge will be obsolete. That is not hate. Once again if hard work, guts & determination was all it took to be a great footballer then by all means line up Priddis & McGinnity side by side. It takes more, especially for the number 1 inside role for a team.
It's a critique of his position in the team and how he is used not of Priddis personally.

Explain why when Priddis is in the midfield - it is magically built around him?

Why isn't it magically built around Andrew Embley? or Luke Shuey?

Was the midfield magically built around Daniel Kerr on Sunday? He's in the midfield - he was winning clearances - so was the whole setup built around him for one day?

 

[The Dodger]

Explain why when Priddis is in the midfield - it is magically built around him?

Why isn't it magically built around Andrew Embley? or Luke Shuey?

Was the midfield magically built around Daniel Kerr on Sunday? He's in the midfield - he was winning clearances - so was the whole setup built around him for one day?

Because he spends so much time there. Because a lot of the centre bounces/stoppages seem to be setup with the idea that Priddis will be on the end of the tap (happening more for Kerr now he is getting fitter).
I understand your argument that teams have 8-9 guys that run through the midfield so technically it is not built around 1 guy, however more often than not, teams will setup their stoppages for 1 mid in particular. There tends to be 1 (max 2 ,depending on how much quality you have) mids who get first hands from stoppages. For us that is Priddis. For Essendon it was Watson. Would you not say Essendon are building their midfield around him?
So when your team sets up to have an average user of the ball get first hands and limits your productivity.
I'm interested to know how you rate his awareness as an inside mid?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Because he spends so much time there. Because a lot of the centre bounces/stoppages seem to be setup with the idea that Priddis will be on the end of the tap (happening more for Kerr now he is getting fitter).
I understand your argument that teams have 8-9 guys that run through the midfield so technically it is not built around 1 guy, however more often than not, teams will setup their stoppages for 1 mid in particular. There tends to be 1 (max 2 ,depending on how much quality you have) mids who get first hands from stoppages. For us that is Priddis. For Essendon it was Watson. Would you not say Essendon are building their midfield around him?
So when your team sets up to have an average user of the ball get first hands and limits your productivity.
I'm interested to know how you rate his awareness as an inside mid?

Priddis is an above par clearance player - and that's his go - he's not the best and he's not the worst. As a clearance midfielder, bar Kerr when fit, he's the best in our team - by a margin.

I'd hope that the likes of Masten, Stevens, Swift or Ebert force him out and become our inside grunt - but none have taken their chances yet.

But he is good enough to regularly poll votes from the coaches, he is good enough to be the main man to tag every second game - so clearly the opposition coaches at least rate him.

Will we win a flag with him being the main bloke attracting the tag? Hardly - we'd need 4 or 5 better than him so he can play a lesser role like Ball or be out of the team altogether. But i'm not one to just gift games to players because they are 19.

The likes of Licuria, Lockyer and Holland were forced out of the Collingwood side based on the form of the youngsters - they all stepped up and took their chances. They weren't simply gifted 50 games to see how they went.

 

[The Dodger]

Priddis is an above par clearance player - and that's his go - he's not the best and he's not the worst. As a clearance midfielder, bar Kerr when fit, he's the best in our team - by a margin.

I'd hope that the likes of Masten, Stevens, Swift or Ebert force him out and become our inside grunt - but none have taken their chances yet.
But he is good enough to regularly poll votes from the coaches, he is good enough to be the main man to tag every second game - so clearly the opposition coaches at least rate him.

Will we win a flag with him being the main bloke attracting the tag? Hardly - we'd need 4 or 5 better than him so he can play a lesser role like Ball or be out of the team altogether. But i'm not one to just gift games to players because they are 19.

Yep I agree with most of that however, yes he is a good at clearances, how does he go once he has the ball in his hands? How is his awareness?

I would also suggest that he gets tagged because teams have identified he is our number 1 inside mid. IMO they don't tag him because he is going to break a game open and get away from them. IIRC I don't think Essendon tagged Priddis after realising Kerr was doing the damage? To me could possibly say something about how he is viewed by the opposition.
I think it will be interesting with Kerr coming back into some form to see just how many clearances are designed for him and what Priddis' role is then, because Sydney and Essendon (after they moved onto Kerr) have let him go and it is when he is free IMO that his limitations become apparent.

 

[dajesmac]

^ Agree with Dodger. We're better off when Priddis gets tagged.

 

[Slattery_20]

If I had to write a report on what I do at work, I'm probably not going to be writing from the most objective standpoint.

 

[paran]

I view Priddis on Michael Braun's level. Different strengths and weaknesses, but overall same level. Would anyone advocate Michael Bruan as a top mid? No, but he definitely has a place in the best 22. Priddis needs to be in a run-with role, not as our #1 clearance player.

 

[southjoy]

Yep I agree with most of that however, yes he is a good at clearances, how does he go once he has the ball in his hands? How is his awareness?

I would also suggest that he gets tagged because teams have identified he is our number 1 inside mid. IMO they don't tag him because he is going to break a game open and get away from them. IIRC I don't think Essendon tagged Priddis after realising Kerr was doing the damage? To me could possibly say something about how he is viewed by the opposition.
I think it will be interesting with Kerr coming back into some form to see just how many clearances are designed for him and what Priddis' role is then, because Sydney and Essendon (after they moved onto Kerr) have let him go and it is when he is free IMO that his limitations become apparent.

Im definately with Falcon here.

Priddis
has the ability to read the ball at stoppages; this is an extremely difficult task and yes WCE would practice stoppage plays but that would be with the ruckman placing it where he wants too. In a game of AFL unless you have Sandilands it doesnt always go to script and importantly even when you have Sandilands it still doesnt mean it goes to script. Not many players in the AFL read the play as well as Priddis and that started from when he played Colts to him dominating the WAFL and also at the AFL level.

He also has great vision at stoppages and often gives the ball to teammates. This is why he has such high clearances(Player 1 gives to player 2 and the ball then goes to clear advantage of said team). Yes sometimes his handball is intercepted - he is playing against other elite players. And sometimes he is tackled sufficiently for the ball to not go to where he is aiming- same happens to Judd.

He is slow footed on the run and he can be hurt by his oppo on the rebound. But in traffic he feints as well as any person in the AFL and in extreme traffic he thinks as quickly as most.

He is given the first tag by Oppo coaches who realise how important he is to WCE winning. He also polls votes from Oppo coaches for his work. He is highly reagraded by our coaches. And he is highly regarded by Interstate Football and Media type people. The people in the Coaching Game rate this player.

Im happy with their assessment and I personally appreciate his great work and am enjoying the fact of having other WCE players starting to really get a fine midfield 8-12 players happening.

 

[Eagle87]

Im definately with Falcon here.

Priddis
has the ability to read the ball at stoppages; this is an extremely difficult task and yes WCE would practice stoppage plays but that would be with the ruckman placing it where he wants too. In a game of AFL unless you have Sandilands it doesnt always go to script and importantly even when you have Sandilands it still doesnt mean it goes to script. Not many players in the AFL read the play as well as Priddis and that started from when he played Colts to him dominating the WAFL and also at the AFL level.

Bollocks. He is fine at getting first hands on the ball within a specific role. He doesn't actually read play that well at all. He is a "within 3 or 4m of the ball" ball gatherer.

He also has great vision at stoppages and often gives the ball to teammates. This is why he has such high clearances(Player 1 gives to player 2 and the ball then goes to clear advantage of said team). Yes sometimes his handball is intercepted - he is playing against other elite players. And sometimes he is tackled sufficiently for the ball to not go to where he is aiming- same happens to Judd.

On the bolded bit, I lol'd. Hard.

His vision is, and remains, poor by the standard of others who play his role at AFL level. He rarely creates. For the complete opposite of Priddis' use of handball see Kerr.

He is slow footed on the run and he can be hurt by his oppo on the rebound. But in traffic he feints as well as any person in the AFL and in extreme traffic he thinks as quickly as most.

Agreed he is slow footed and IS regularly hurt going the other way. If you reckon he feints well then fair enough. Not sure I agree. Feinting and then being so slow of foot that you still can't break clear is a marginal skill anyway.

He is given the first tag by Oppo coaches who realise how important he is to WCE winning. He also polls votes from Oppo coaches for his work. He is highly reagraded by our coaches. And he is highly regarded by Interstate Football and Media type people. The people in the Coaching Game rate this player.

So many half truths concocted into full ones. He often has a run with player because he gets to so many contests. It allows said player to remain in the game often as required (see Kirk, Sydney) and has little to do with Priddis. More often than not his man hurts us the other way - thats one of the dirty secrets with Priddis, he doesn't (can't?) work back hard the other way and allows teams to switch back through the middle via his "tagger".

Like most of us opposition coaches see Pridda as a decent enough player in a poorish side. Works his arse off. Most football media have a passing interest (at best) in the worst side in the country based thousands of k's away and notice players based on their dream team numbers

Im happy with their assessment and I personally appreciate his great work and am enjoying the fact of having other WCE players starting to really get a fine midfield 8-12 players happening.

I'm happy that your happy. If you reckon our midfield is "fine" then you have low standards.

 

[southjoy]

Bollocks. He is fine at getting first hands on the ball within a specific role. He doesn't actually read play that well at all. He is a "within 3 or 4m of the ball" ball gatherer.



On the bolded bit, I lol'd. Hard.

His vision is, and remains, poor by the standard of others who play his role at AFL level. He rarely creates. For the complete opposite of Priddis' use of handball see Kerr.



Agreed he is slow footed and IS regularly hurt going the other way. If you reckon he feints well then fair enough. Not sure I agree. Feinting and then being so slow of foot that you still can't break clear is a marginal skill anyway.



So many half truths concocted into full ones. He often has a run with player because he gets to so many contests. It allows said player to remain in the game often as required (see Kirk, Sydney) and has little to do with Priddis. More often than not his man hurts us the other way - thats one of the dirty secrets with Priddis, he doesn't (can't?) work back hard the other way and allows teams to switch back through the middle via his "tagger".

Like most of us opposition coaches see Pridda as a decent enough player in a poorish side. Works his arse off. Most football media have a passing interest (at best) in the worst side in the country based thousands of k's away and notice players based on their dream team numbers



I'm happy that your happy. If you reckon our midfield is "fine" then you have low standards.

Thats your opinion and at least you discuss it with relevant football points. I have my opinion which happens to be the opinion of other people in the coaching fraternity.
The only point id argue on is: I dont have low standards. I said that the WCE were GETTING a fine midfield. Cox, Nat, Priddis , Kerr, SSelwood, Shuey, Lecras are players that are developing into a fine midfield.

 

[sTeeL]

Your blatant one-eyed fanaticism is getting beyond a joke E87. I am going to sit down after my uni exams and learn how to create my own video edit of Priddis in one or two games. Ill even pick games you didnt give him votes(aka every game) and show you just how well his vision and creativeness is.

 

[Eagle87]

Your blatant one-eyed fanaticism is getting beyond a joke E87. I am going to sit down after my uni exams and learn how to create my own video edit of Priddis in one or two games. Ill even pick games you didnt give him votes(aka every game) and show you just how well his vision and creativeness is.

Feel free. I suspect my 10+ years of watching him may over ride selected highlights - I mean even a stopped clock is right twice every day ...

I have been consistent from Day 1. He is a depth player, a 5th or 6th option midfielder in a good side (at most and thats a stretch given his lack of versatility). Thats not one-eyed fanatacism thats just a considered opinion.

The only reason I feel the need to consistently restate it is blokes like southjoy wandering in and adding nothing except "but, but. but the coaches like him ..." Our coaches are at risk of being sacked and a primary reason has been their inability to develop a midfield ... so ...