News Workhorse (Priddis) Improves Efficiency

[The Falcon Strike]

Thus they started their high interchange strategy, so they could use all of their 5 - 6 B graders against the other clubs A graders and try to run them off their feet.

I know it doesn't havve much to do with this thread but it is interesting nonetheless.

Probably re-inforces that we need 2-3 A grade mids - in the end for Collingwood to win the flag they required 2 elite midfielders (Swan and Pendlebury)

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think E87 hates what Priddis represents more than the player himself.

As most people on this forum acknowledge Priddis isn't going to lead our midfield to a premiership. He shouldn't be the number 1 or 2 attacking midfielder for any team challenging for the premiership.

As our midfield develop he should hopefully slip down the pecking order, where he could be a servicable 4th or 5th midfield rotation.

Thus Priddis being our number 1 or 2 mid represents that we have a weak midfield (compared to the premiership contenders) and therefore represents that we are a fair way away from a premiership.

/Freud

In fairness to E87, I think he's said as much.

 

[WCErevival]

Does anyone think Priddis may be able to accumulate enough points to challenge a Brownlow? There are definitely more derserving players in the league but he would be someone that goes under the radar and is noticed by the umps.

 

[paran]

I think E87 hates what Priddis represents more than the player himself.

As most people on this forum acknowledge Priddis isn't going to lead our midfield to a premiership. He shouldn't be the number 1 or 2 attacking midfielder for any team challenging for the premiership.

As our midfield develop he should hopefully slip down the pecking order, where he could be a servicable 4th or 5th midfield rotation.

Thus Priddis being our number 1 or 2 mid represents that we have a weak midfield (compared to the premiership contenders) and therefore represents that we are a fair way away from a premiership.

/Freud

Exactly. It's not personal, but he isn't good enough to be the #1 or #2 mid on a good side. With the exception of possibly Sydney, every other top 8 side has 2-3 midfielders of better quality than Priddis (Hodge/Mitchell/Burgoyne/Sewell; Mundy/Fyfe/Pav*; Watson/Stanton; Cooney/Boyd/Griffin; Judd/Murphy/Gibbs; Martin/Cotchin/Deledio; Jack/Goodes*; Sylvia*/Trengove/Scully/Davey). Watching Freo on Sunday it was obvious how much quicker and precise Mundy was to Priddis in releasing clearances. It's 0.5s but it makes a massive difference in the smoothness with which the team clears to advantage.

The other problem with Priddis is that if he's not playing rover, where else can he play? We have 3 better taggers, he's not great on a wing (and we have better options), can't play forward or back. He's too good to be dropped from this current side, but not good enough to be rover in a contending side...

Thus the conundrum, play for now or play for the future. I personally prefer Masten, Shuey and Kerr be our preferred rovers with Swift "in the wings" in case of injury. These are the guys that could possibly be our rovers in a contending side (Kerr to teach/show), not Priddis.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Watching Freo on Sunday it was obvious how much quicker and precise Mundy was to Priddis in releasing clearances. It's 0.5s but it makes a massive difference in the smoothness with which the team clears to advantage.

Mundy was credited with 6 clearances - with only 1 being effective.

Mundy looked great when he won the ball in open play - but his clearance work wasn't special on Sunday.

 

[GO EAGLES]

Exactly. It's not personal, but he isn't good enough to be the #1 or #2 mid on a good side. With the exception of possibly Sydney, every other top 8 side has 2-3 midfielders of better quality than Priddis (Hodge/Mitchell/Burgoyne/Sewell; Mundy/Fyfe/Pav*; Watson/Stanton; Cooney/Boyd/Griffin; Judd/Murphy/Gibbs; Martin/Cotchin/Deledio; Jack/Goodes*; Sylvia*/Trengove/Scully/Davey;. Watching Freo on Sunday it was obvious how much quicker and precise Mundy was to Priddis in releasing clearances. It's 0.5s but it makes a massive difference in the smoothness with which the team clears to advantage.

The other problem with Priddis is that if he's not playing rover, where else can he play? We have 3 better taggers, he's not great on a wing (and we have better options), can't play forward or back. He's too good to be dropped from this current side, but not good enough to be rover in a contending side...

Thus the conundrum, play for now or play for the future. I personally prefer Masten, Shuey and Kerr be our preferred rovers with Swift "in the wings" in case of injury. These are the guys that could possibly be our rovers in a contending side (Kerr to teach/show), not Priddis.

Don't agree.
Priddis in 2011 is faster, has increased swervability and wins the ball on the ground through sheer will.
He is also a tackling machine.

And for all you PRIDDIS bashers, from the way he is training, like Lynch he will get better.

I said that Lynch was getting faster at the training track through sheer will , and has become more nimble.

Shuey might take over as our no.1 midfielder, but in a final, PRIDDIS with the increased swervability is a must for his hard ball gets and ferocious tackling.

By the way Kobe Stevens will be great, and a powerful physical force to contend with.

THere is a chance we will play finals. That would be amazing

 

[Damon_3388]

Re: Votes for Round 8 vs Freo

Where at Collingwood do WC send the cake and card to for allowing Jack Anthony to slip to Fremantle?

Consider it a charitable donation. We couldn't reasonably expect anything in return

 

[wce4premiership]

Priddis is one of the most important players to our team. He gets it out better than most, freeing up our more talented kicks (not that his kicking has been poor this year) to deliver forward. Much like a scott west, minus any form of appreciation from supporters

 

[Rids]

7th in the league in disposals
1st in handballs
1st in contested possessions
11th in clearances

Scarily close to being considered A grade

 

[Rids]

Exactly. It's not personal, but he isn't good enough to be the #1 or #2 mid on a good side. With the exception of possibly Sydney, every other top 8 side has 2-3 midfielders of better quality than Priddis (Hodge/Mitchell/Burgoyne/Sewell; Mundy/Fyfe/Pav*; Watson/Stanton; Cooney/Boyd/Griffin; Judd/Murphy/Gibbs; Martin/Cotchin/Deledio; Jack/Goodes*; Sylvia*/Trengove/Scully/Davey). Priddis.

Really? That list actually made me think we're going okay (although I acknowledge you omitted Geelong and the Pies who both have 2 or 3 better mids than Priddis). As a pure mid (and I realise some of the others listed have other talents) the only players there I would rate ahead of Priddis are Mitchell, Mundy, Watson, Boyd, Judd, Murphy and Goodes.

 

[WCE_phil]

7th in the league in disposals
1st in handballs
1st in contested possessions
11th in clearances

Scarily close to being considered A grade

Ranked 7th for champion data average score too.
Equal 17th for tackles as well.

Still shouldn't ever be considered for a number 1 attacking midfielder role though i will stand with E87 on that.

 

[September_Glory]

Mundy was credited with 6 clearances - with only 1 being effective.

Mundy looked great when he won the ball in open play - but his clearance work wasn't special on Sunday.

Another example of statistics misleading.

Mundy was clearly in the top 3 midfielders that day and he dominated the start of the game playing in the guts.

paran was right. The difference in class is very noticeable like it was vs. Essendon. We saw what a true no.1 option should look like when Kerr was the preferred target. The difference in terms of damage is night and day.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Another example of statistics misleading.

Mundy was clearly in the top 3 midfielders that day and he dominated the start of the game playing in the guts.

paran was right. The difference in class is very noticeable like it was vs. Essendon. We saw what a true no.1 option should look like when Kerr was the preferred target. The difference in terms of damage is night and day.

Yup - doesn't mean his clearances were any good though

The comment were that his clearances were first class - they weren't on the weekend. His vision and skills in open play were great - but not his clearances

Secondly - because priddis isn't as good as kerr and as few are beating the door down to be any better - we bag the shit out of the bloke performing admirably week in week out?

 

[September_Glory]

Secondly - because priddis isn't as good as kerr and as few are beating the door down to be any better - we bag the shit out of the bloke performing admirably week in week out?

No one's "bagging the shit" out of anyone. I'm comparing the difference in impact between player A and player B. If that comparison puts player A in a negative light, then so be it. It sucks when player A is an Eagle, I know. We can delude ourselves and say "he's awesome" or we could look at it realistically.

The reason why the anti-Priddis camp (and we know who they are ) get so vocal is because of bog standard fans overrating Priddis so ridiculously, to the point of creating a false perception of quality that simply isn't there.

I have been an ardent believer in what WCEforeverman so neatly summarized; that Priddis' spot will be usurped by better talent as the team improves. Most of my posts regarding Priddis last year stated as much, putting the onus on the coaching staff to find better answers.

We are starting to see some of those answers this year.

 

[September_Glory]

Yup - doesn't mean his clearances were any good though

The comment were that his clearances were first class - they weren't on the weekend. His vision and skills in open play were great - but not his clearances

I ask, what good is it to look at one skill in isolation?

Should we forget about everything else because he does one thing exceptionally well?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I ask, what good is it to look at one skill in isolation?

Should we forget about everything else because he does one thing exceptionally well?

that has me confused...

 

[The Falcon Strike]

No one's "bagging the shit" out of anyone. I'm comparing the difference in impact between player A and player B. If that comparison puts player A in a negative light, then so be it. It sucks when player A is an Eagle, I know. We can delude ourselves and say "he's awesome" or we could look at it realistically.

The reason why the anti-Priddis camp (and we know who they are ) get so vocal is because of bog standard fans overrating Priddis so ridiculously, to the point of creating a false perception of quality that simply isn't there.

I have been an ardent believer in what WCEforeverman so neatly summarized; that Priddis' spot will be usurped by better talent as the team improves. Most of my posts regarding Priddis last year stated as much, putting the onus on the coaching staff to find better answers.

We are starting to see some of those answers this year.

Plenty of people bag the shit out of priddis on this board.

I don't understand why anyone needs to be anti-priddis at all. Simply hoping natural selection means he moves down the pecking order doesn't mean you have to be anti a bloke.

Hell i hope naitanui surpasses cox - should i start an anti-cox campaign?

 

[September_Glory]

that has me confused...

You are looking at Mundy's clearance work in a vaccuum. Is there any reason you do so, as opposed to his overall body of work?

Plenty of people bag the shit out of priddis on this board.

I don't understand why anyone needs to be anti-priddis at all. Simply hoping natural selection means he moves down the pecking order doesn't mean you have to be anti a bloke.

Hell i hope naitanui surpasses cox - should i start an anti-cox campaign?

Most of the arguments in this thread have been reasonably argued. I don't consider this thread "bagging the shit out of Priddis". Not at all. It's a discussion on his value to the team, both perceived and real.

What I see is; some supporters cling to stats, some are more inclined to go with the eye test, some people use a collaboration of information and some are plain stubborn. But it seems the majority would be in the same place you and I are in.

Maybe now folks aren't posting with the pain of losing and a sense of hopelessness every week, the focus of discussions can be on the players coming up instead of the ones who should be going down.

 

[Coast Guard]

Most of the arguments in this thread have been reasonably argued. I don't consider this thread "bagging the shit out of Priddis". Not at all. It's a discussion on his value to the team, both perceived and real.

What I see is; some supporters cling to stats, some are more inclined to go with the eye test, some people use a collaboration of information and some are plain stubborn. But it seems the majority would be in the same place you and I are in.

Maybe now folks aren't posting with the pain of losing and a sense of hopelessness every week, the focus of discussions can be on the players coming up instead of the ones who should be going down.

Good post. I think most if not all people would agree that Priddis is a role player and right now, he's performing a role for our team to the best of his ability. He is a handy player who would most probably be complimentary to superior players in a better teams midfield. But as of now, we have only one aging and injury prone star and a stable full of young developing players. Imo this is probably the reason why his short comings are quite easily identifiable.

The time will come when we may have a midfield full of genuine stars again, that can lead us to a premiership. But till that time, im happy for Priddis to continue playing a role until he is surpassed.

 

[sTeeL]

Still shouldn't ever be considered for a number 1 attacking midfielder role though i will stand with E87 on that.

Attacking mid != Clearance player.

Priddis is better than anyone in our team at clearances. Including Kerr. Doesn't mean he is smashing through packs with superior speed strength and balance. Doesn't mean he needs to. This year he has been spending much more time disposing to advantageous positions in the past. He is so far in front of all these players like Stevens and Swift that you are in fantasy land if you think he will be ousted by those two.

It's true that his clearances may not be as damaging as Kerrs for impact with first kick. But perhaps look beyond the first kick and realize that it is the second disposal after Priddis' hands out that should be examined. Long bomb under pressure or being able to have a bit of space and spot up a target?

 

[WCE_phil]

Attacking mid != Clearance player.

Priddis is better than anyone in our team at clearances. Including Kerr. Doesn't mean he is smashing through packs with superior speed strength and balance. Doesn't mean he needs to. This year he has been spending much more time disposing to advantageous positions in the past. He is so far in front of all these players like Stevens and Swift that you are in fantasy land if you think he will be ousted by those two.

It's true that his clearances may not be as damaging as Kerrs for impact with first kick. But perhaps look beyond the first kick and realize that it is the second disposal after Priddis' hands out that should be examined. Long bomb under pressure or being able to have a bit of space and spot up a target?

Would you like to actually find where i said any of those things ffs. I said he shouldn't be our number 1 mid and that i would agree with E87 on that call. I never said any of the other shit.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

You are looking at Mundy's clearance work in a vaccuum. Is there any reason you do so, as opposed to his overall body of work?

I wasn't looking at his clearance work in a vacuum at all - merely responding to the poster who said Mundy's clearance work was exceptional and half a second quicker than priddis on sunday and that it was more precise. It just simply wasn't the case and I was refuting it.

In the same post I commented that he looked great in open play - I don't see how that is a vacuum.

Surely if you are so worried about a poster who isolates one skill - why you didn't you pull up that poster for merely commenting on Mundy's clearances whilst ignoring the other skills of the game.

That strikes me as a double standard.

 

[sTeeL]

THe whole post wasnt directed at you phil. Just the first sentance really. My post was more directed in general at some of the comments regarding his worth.

 

[swannies]

This is from an article on the Eagles website, which talks about Embley and Kerr being named this week.

The really interesting comments, which warm the cockles of my heart, are quoted below. The context is Worsfold talking about Gaff's role for this week being determined by whether Embley comes up or not, and in general, his role for the future.

"Andrew's obviously going to be an extremely talented player for a long period of time for this footy club, but he hasn't forced Embley or (Matt) Rosa off a wing position yet, and he hasn't forced Priddis out of the midfield yet. His aim is to do that."

For mine, that is the right way to approach the Stevens', Swift's, Gaff's of the team.

 

[paran]

swannies,

I would agree with that sentiment but they don't seem to be put in the best position to succeed in the WAFL. For example, Swift plays much more outside than his strengths would dictate, but that's what's best for Claremont.

TFS,

I used clearance incorrectly. More accurately would have been setting up clearances with great first touch.

Rids,

My argument in if any of those guys played pure mid alone they'd be better than Priddis, BUT they can also play successfully at other roles. Further to that, Priddis needs to be at the Sam Mitchell/Lenny Hayes/Jobe Watson level to justify only playing in the role he's playing.