World Cup prediction thread

[Mateyman]

He isn't, and even if he was, he's still not in the first XI in the selectors' minds.

Vettori has taken 1/196 in 5 ODIs this year. Would back Doherty to be able to do that well. And McCullum's figures are horrid

 

[Smartys Power]

Maxwell is our first XI spinner.

 

[The Speaker]

Maxwell is our first XI spinner.

He's an all-rounder. He cannot be trusted to bowl ten overs, and certainly not regularly. Every WC winning team since 1992 has had a proper spinner in their first XI.

 

[Oaktree]

Group A
Australia
New Zealand
England
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Scotland

Group B

India
South Africa
Pakistan
West Indies
Zimbabwe
Ireland
United Arab Emirates

Quarter Finals

Australia def West Indies
South Africa def England
New Zealand def Pakistan
Sri Lanka def India

Semi Finals

South Africa def Australia
New Zealand def Sri Lanka

Final

South Africa def New Zealand

Most Runs: Kumar Sangakkara

Most Wickets: Dale Steyn

 

[Smartys Power]

He's an all-rounder. He cannot be trusted to bowl ten overs, and certainly not regularly. Every WC winning team since 1992 has had a proper spinner in their first XI.

Did a well enough job in the last game. Besides we play most of our games in Australia. Our pitches aren't the most spin friendly. I think we should be fine with a more than handy part timer taking up our number 1 spin option.

 

[Oaktree]

I can't help but think that NZ are being overrated, they are not a bad side (obviously) but lacking the quality of South Africa and Australia. Only takes a slipup in the QF and it's all over which is why I hate the format that is being played.

The format makes it really open. South Africa clearly haven't found it to their favour in 1996 and 2011.

I feel the Kiwis could slip up at the quarters. I also think the Windies could benefit from this format with a Gayle special or a power hitting blitz winning a knockout game.

 

[The Speaker]

Vettori has taken 1/196 in 5 ODIs this year. Would back Doherty to be able to do that well. And McCullum's figures are horrid

Vettori undoubtedly has a massive question mark over him, but the key is that one of them will be playing in every match for NZ, and both can be trusted to bowl ten decent overs.

Doherty will not be a regular, and Maxwell will not be able to bowl ten overs match after match. He isn't good enough with the ball.

 

[Mateyman]

Vettori undoubtedly has a massive question mark over him, but the key is that one of them will be playing in every match for NZ, and both can be trusted to bowl ten decent overs.

Doherty will not be a regular, and Maxwell will not be able to bowl ten overs match after match. He isn't good enough with the ball.

Why do you need a regular spinner playing every match?

 

[The Speaker]

Why do you need a regular spinner playing every match?

Since 1992 (the WC that birthed modern one day cricket) the winning team has had a regular spinner.

1992 - Mushtaq Ahmed, nine out of ten matches
1996 - Muttiah Muralitharan, six out of eight matches
1999 - Shane Warne, ten out of twelve matches
2003 - Brad Hogg, ten out of thirteen matches
2007 - Brad Hogg, eleven out of twelve matches
2011 - Harbhajan Singh, nine out of nine matches

Australia's attack is not so compelling as to suggest they could easily change this pattern.

 

[Mateyman]

Since 1992 (the WC that birthed modern one day cricket) the winning team has had a regular spinner.

1992 - Mushtaq Ahmed, nine out of ten matches
1996 - Muttiah Muralitharan, six out of eight matches
1999 - Shane Warne, ten out of twelve matches
2003 - Brad Hogg, ten out of thirteen matches
2007 - Brad Hogg, eleven out of twelve matches
2011 - Harbhajan Singh, nine out of nine matches

Australia's attack is not so compelling as to suggest they could easily change this pattern.

Every team there except Aus 1999 also had a left arm fast bowler, but I wouldn't say that it was essential for WC success

 

[eth-dog]

The format makes it really open. South Africa clearly haven't found it to their favour in 1996 and 2011.

I feel the Kiwis could slip up at the quarters. I also think the Windies could benefit from this format with a Gayle special or a power hitting blitz winning a knockout game.

West Indies might not even make it out of their group.

 

[BluesMan]

Since 1992 (the WC that birthed modern one day cricket) the winning team has had a regular spinner.

1992 - Mushtaq Ahmed, nine out of ten matches
1996 - Muttiah Muralitharan, six out of eight matches
1999 - Shane Warne, ten out of twelve matches
2003 - Brad Hogg, ten out of thirteen matches
2007 - Brad Hogg, eleven out of twelve matches
2011 - Harbhajan Singh, nine out of nine matches

Australia's attack is not so compelling as to suggest they could easily change this pattern.

I highly doubt a spinner would be the difference between winning or not a WC in Australia.

And since when does maxwell have to bowl 10 overs? Just because he's the top spinner in the team, he wont have to bowl 10 overs. 3 pace bowlers =30 overs, 3 allrounders = 20 overs.

 

[The Speaker]

I highly doubt a spinner would be the difference between winning or not a WC in Australia.

And since when does maxwell have to bowl 10 overs? Just because he's the top spinner in the team, he wont have to bowl 10 overs. 3 pace bowlers =30 overs, 3 allrounders = 20 overs.

I would like to know when this myth of spinners being unnecessary on super-fast and bouncy Australian wickets came about.

I wonder if it was about the time Australia stopped have a decent one day spinner regularly.

 

[BluesMan]

I would like to know when this myth of spinners being unnecessary on super-fast and bouncy Australian wickets came about.

I wonder if it was about the time Australia stopped have a decent one day spinner regularly.

It's not even really to do with aus, it's just a pretty big statement you made about how important one spinner is. Then you add onto that that spinners dont really do well over here. They more containers of runs in aus, although yes it is still a vital role.

We dont have anyone good, cant just pluck one out and shove them into a world cup.

 

[The Speaker]

It's not even really to do with aus, it's just a pretty big statement you made about how important one spinner is. Then you add onto that that spinners dont really do well over here. They more containers of runs in aus, although yes it is still a vital role.

We dont have anyone good, cant just pluck one out and shove them into a world cup.

How is it a big statement? It is a clear and obvious pattern. A world cup winning team needs to be balanced, and I don't believe Australia is.

Lyon should've been playing ODIs well before he did.

 

[BluesMan]

How is it a big statement? It is a clear and obvious pattern. A world cup winning team needs to be balanced, and I don't believe Australia is.

Lyon should've been playing ODIs well before he did.

It's a pattern yes, but did they have big game changing tournaments? It's a pattern because it's the norm to have a spinner in cricket, pretty much always has been.

I cannot see how a front line spinner will make or break our chances.

 

[The Speaker]

It's a pattern yes, but did they have big game changing tournaments? It's a pattern because it's the norm to have a spinner in cricket, pretty much always has been.

I cannot see how a front line spinner will make or break our chances.

Mushtaq, Hogg '07 and Warne '99 were top three wicket takers. Hogg '03 and Murali were good. Harbhajan had the worst, and that's because he was the second fiddle spinner to Yuvraj, who had a massive tournament.

 

[BluesMan]

Mushtaq, Hogg '07 and Warne '99 were top three wicket takers. Hogg '03 and Murali were good. Harbhajan had the worst, and that's because he was the second fiddle spinner to Yuvraj, who had a massive tournament.

You also have to factor in games played into that and overs bowled. But like I said, I can't see it being make or break. We're the 1st ranked nation going into the comp which comes from recent results, those of which hardly had a front line spinner dominate.

 

[Smoooothy]

Doherty's just as good as Vettori ATM or Nathan McCullum

thats a massive call IMO..

for what it's worth, i think it'll be a NZ/Sth Africa Final. NZ to get up

 

[CheekyMonkey]

South Africa will fail like they always do. It amazes me how people keep picking them to win these tournaments.

 

[damochandler]

my girst prediction wont happen

west indies won't make the qtrs.
bangladesh to surprise
south africa to crumble at the qtrs

final 4 aus
nz
sri lanka
england

aus v nz final

nz win

 

[Whiskers]

People trying to be cute with selections.
SA and Aus are the clear dominant teams, NZ 3rd and forget the rest.
Upsets can happen and usually do, someone may get lucky and knockout SA or Aus, but I doubt it.

 

[Mateyman]

Not having a great spinner hasn't proved to be a problem for us in the last year with our ODI results, so I would be pretty surprised if suddenly our pace bowlers start bowling rubbish in the middle overs just because it's a world cup and we don't have a spinner

 

[Snivellus]

Doherty's just as good as Vettori ATM or Nathan McCullum

Funny joke Matey man, but LukeParkerno1 previously mentioned that Xavier Doherty is a useless spinner and he seems more clued up on cricket than you do. I'm no cricket whiz, but I am smart enough to listen to those who know more about the subject than I do and he knows more about it than you, so why don't you also listen to him?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Funny joke Matey man, but LukeParkerno1 previously mentioned that Xavier Doherty is a useless spinner and he seems more clued up on cricket than you do. I'm no cricket whiz, but I am smart enough to listen to those who know more about the subject than I do and he knows more about it than you, so why don't you also listen to him?

Doherty does have strengths but he is no better than a part timer bowling darts lets be honest he won't get a wicket generally and he is a poor fielder