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RussellEbertHandball help me out here

remember folks
.c.e.t.e.r.i.s. .p.a.r.i.b.u.s. ceteris paribus , Latin for all_things_being_equal , a <control> some folks will have naturally big or small foreheads coming out of the womb , some people will have naturally big or small jaws coming out of the womb

that is your baseline , that is your <control>

now we seek to detect change qua change thru exogenous means , hormones taken exogenously is what i mean

folks are legit to say i have NOT proven my case
and you would be correct , i have not

BUT , in my defence, i am not slandering people or defaming them , i have said good people victoms of circumstance , no moral judgement value call

Blair Bush Howard otoh, put those pudenda in the Hague => .c.a.m.p.a.i.g.n.e.r.s. one and lot of them

Chief

#helpingchiefoutwiththeFILTER
 
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Jay Cutler Mr Olympia in person that jaw is truuuuuuly eeeennnnoooorrmous

inverselens foreshortening effect rendered features normal

see: Richmond/Geelong BradOttens aka 'big pill' a reference to his noggin , and Jim Stynes

if Ottens and Stynes 6'2" 74kg highfashion male models , in person and candid not traditionally matinee idol handsome, NOT traditionally handsome
 

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Speaking of changes to bone structure . . .
Saw a recent picture of someone that has been both banned by ASADA and then given an OAM.
Compared to older pictures they have developed some features I often used to witness competing in untested powerlifting competitions.
 
Speaking of changes to bone structure . . .
Saw a recent picture of someone that has been both banned by ASADA and then given an OAM.
Compared to older pictures they have developed some features I often used to witness competing in untested powerlifting competitions.
when one understands the pathology of acromegaly there are <tells> betrayed by one's physiognomy when the pituitary gland starts to spout growth factors
 

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folks Australian sydneysider in 2000 threw worlds best discus throw

and as russellebert would attest Reiterer would confirm everything i have ever said on the figbooty[sic]
Werner was from Melbourne - Ringwood was his athletics club.


One year before the 2000 Olympics, at a small meet in Ringwood, Melbourne, Werner Reiterer-fueled by banned drugs-hurled a discus 69.69 m. Had he repeated that throw at the Games, he’d have won gold. But Reiterer did not compete in Sydney. Instead, he quit athletics, wrote a book about doping-among the most disturbing published on the subject-and dumped it in the host nation’s lap just two months before the Opening Ceremony.

In Positive, Reiterer admitted to five years’ abuse of performance-enhancing drugs. He explained the abuse as a last-ditch response to a sports world so awash with drugs that natural athletes-who are in the minority, just a few percent, he said, in some events-either succumb or compete without real hope of success. In this hypocritical world, the notion of “cheating” is meaningless and drug testing is ineffectual. “Sport is ugly,” Reiterer wrote-and athletes, coaches and officials know it.

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Reiterer - a sports world so awash with drugs that natural athletes-who are in the minority, just a few percent, he said, in some events-either succumb or compete without real hope of success. In this hypocritical world, the notion of “cheating” is meaningless and drug testing is ineffectual. “Sport is ugly,” ...
and athletes, coaches and officials know it.

CathyNewman: so what you're saying is
blackcat
is right Russ
as TedHopkins IanCollins and DonScott would attest

Zgope1 holllywood
 
Werner was from Melbourne - Ringwood was his athletics club.


One year before the 2000 Olympics, at a small meet in Ringwood, Melbourne, Werner Reiterer-fueled by banned drugs-hurled a discus 69.69 m. Had he repeated that throw at the Games, he’d have won gold. But Reiterer did not compete in Sydney. Instead, he quit athletics, wrote a book about doping-among the most disturbing published on the subject-and dumped it in the host nation’s lap just two months before the Opening Ceremony.

In Positive, Reiterer admitted to five years’ abuse of performance-enhancing drugs. He explained the abuse as a last-ditch response to a sports world so awash with drugs that natural athletes-who are in the minority, just a few percent, he said, in some events-either succumb or compete without real hope of success. In this hypocritical world, the notion of “cheating” is meaningless and drug testing is ineffectual. “Sport is ugly,” Reiterer wrote-and athletes, coaches and officials know it.

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Far more recent, and I’m not sure they’re quite that Jack’ed.
Jack Hale innit
 

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also folks , see: teeth braces , another <tell>

with my caveat ceteris paribus , cos lots of folks have naturally wonky teeth in need of braces , so we need to see x-rays of mandible before and after , i know of one australian gold medalist and one australian silver medalist, and one USA multiple gold medalist, Russ knows all three
 
Russ RussellEbertHandball nick heraldsunnewscorpsathsjourno bideau and MelbAthsClubPrez
Are you saying Nick Bideau and Oz are linked to Kenya? Had to double check, but his squad is Melbourne International Track Club that he set up around 1996/1997, when he was going out with Cathy Freeman and went from athlete to coach and then athlete manager / representative, which is more lucrative than coaching.

Or are you linking him, EPO and Oz middle distance runners since he started managing Craig Mottram in the early 2000's and Craig became known as the Big Mazungo competing with the Kenyans. Nic and Craig had a failing out around 2009 and 2010.

It dawned on me how much the great Kenyans and Ethiopians got involved with EPO when sports scientist Ross Tucker of the Science of Sports website produced that graph of 5000m and 10000m runners around 2006 of the previous 10-15 years of fastest time per year on one line and average of top 15 athletes per year on another and how both lines followed a steady downward track, then huge downward curves when EPO was introduced to the sports world.

I have posted it a couple of times on Big Footy. See if I can find it. Not surprised young athletes in poverty stricken Kenya try and get out of their families dirt poor situation and agents say you have top get on the gear for us to buy you travel and accommodation to Euro meets, you then can make some money and we get a big percentage.
 

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