World Vision scam

[JavaBlue]

Why not cull yourself? I mean if you truly beleive then you should be the first to surrender your life in the best interests of the species at large.

You could do the same for the same reason. Imagine all the CO2 that wouldn't be released into the atmosphere if you weren't around.

 

[Dry Rot]

Why not cull yourself? I mean if you truly beleive then you should be the first to surrender your life in the best interests of the species at large.

Happy to if i could take out a few billion with me.

 

[Dry Rot]

You could do the same for the same reason. Imagine all the CO2 that wouldn't be released into the atmosphere if you weren't around.

Agreed, I don't think he's thought of that.

 

[Dry Rot]

You, hypocritical writers, may just as well be the bottom part, who knows...? Such a pity that the Christian Gospel with its grace and mercy is being leached out of today's world. And this mercy is not the source of overpopulation, think again before coming to such a superficial conclusion.
Look into one of our children's eyes and afterwards in the mirror. I'm not exploiting your feelings, but really, ask yourself: who's being redundant?

They are - there's too many of them for local resources. Has you govt considered a cull?

We think that sponsorships for individual children should be part of a verifiable program. We are rather in favour of supporting or contributing to a whole program than sponsoring an individual child.

Why encourage overpopulation?

 

[Scamma Jamma]

Slamma Jamma at work: The following letter appeared in my spam box today, with a nice Logo of World Vision at the top. This idiot expects us to deposit bogus money orders, then go out and get legitimate money orders to send to their organization. Forgive me here, but a good fifth grader has better writing skills than this person. Anyone who gets reeled in by this crap should start consulting with someone before agreeing to do what Larry Probus (Get it: Pro-bus?) is asking his 'marks' to do. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO CATCH THESE THIEVING MORONS!


Hello,

My name is Larry Probus I work for The World Vision Charity Organization. I would be very interested in offering you a part-time paying opportunity in
which you could earn a lot. This opportunity would be based on contract and commission terms and would involve quite a handful of trust and honesty.

World Vision is a Christian humanitarian organization dedicated to working with children, families and their communities worldwide to reach their full potential by tackling the causes of poverty and injustice. Over the years the organization has been rendering helps and supports on humanitarian services pretty much on orphanage homes, less privileged scholarship and subsidized medication for good health most especially in the developing world.

Presently, I have just been granted a funding to head a charity support project in the tropical regions of West Africa and Asia regarding Poverty Alleviation, Provision of clothing materials to all kids in rural areas, extending to Liberia, Sierra Leone, Mali etc, and more counseling on AIDS, which is increasing at an alarming rate and provision of basic amenities in support to humanitarian services to the third world nations and this would be commencing very soon.

However, my funding were by my American counterparts who sent me the bunch of donation mostly in US based money orders and cashier checks. Getting an accountant in the states or opening an account would have been my best choice but I have a deadline to meet and taking any of those choices would cost me time and a whole lot of other requirements I am not ready to deal with as I would be traveling a lot in the meantime. I would be willing to employ you on contract basis to be my Payment Representative back in the states

This way, I will instruct our donors to issue and make these Payments (Money Orders and cashier checks) out to you in your name, you could then process them easily, deduct ten percent ( 10%) of the total amount of each payment you receive as your commission for the great service you have rendered in support to saving life's in the third world and then have the rest wired to our Organization via Western Union Money Transfer. The Western Union Service fee should also be deducted alongside your 10% commission charge before having the rest wired via Western Union.

Bear it in mind that we would be dealing with quite a handful of money, and you could be making good money working with me in a short period of time.

I would be glad if you accept my proposal and I intend to commence on the project as soon as you are ready. If you are interested, please do properly fill out the Application form below, and then we shall make concluding arrangements.

WORLD VISION APPLICATION FORM
FULL NAME:
HOME ADDRESS (NOT P. O.BOX):
CITY :
STATE:
ZIPCODE:
COUNTRY:
PHONE NUMBER (S) Home: Cell:
EMAIL:
GENDER:
MARITAL STATUS:
AGE:
NATIONALITY:
OCCUPATION:
BANK NAME:
HAVE YOU TAKEN THIS OFFER BEFORE (YES or -NO):
IF YES COMMENT:

(Information included in this application form is between you and me, and the full name and contact info should be included as it should be written on the payments being issued over to you, you should also include a valid phone number for easy contact)

ATTESTATION
According to how you have been briefed earlier by me. You are required and mandated to receive funds on behalf of the above mentioned organization. You are to deduct 10% of all funds processed on a particular order and forward the balance payment via Western Union Money Transfer as I would be instructing you on receipt of my payments. You will notify me a week ahead if eventually you want to discontinue this so as to terminate all payment coming your way to avoid conflict. In agreement to this kindly append signature below

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Larry Probus
Chief Financial Officer
......Building a better world for children

 

[FIGJAM]

Errrr.....

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Happy to if i could take out a few billion with me.

You go first, and I promise to send a few billion out straight after.

 

[tesseract]

The Earth is capable of holding 3, 3.5, 4 times as many people than it currently does. The world's greed, corruption and inefficiency means that we're in such a mess, it's beyond repair. Greed and corruption will ensure that the world's problems will not be fixed, but continue down a very steep spiral.

 

[DeanoT]

The Earth is capable of holding 3, 3.5, 4 times as many people than it currently does. The world's greed, corruption and inefficiency means that we're in such a mess, it's beyond repair. Greed and corruption will ensure that the world's problems will not be fixed, but continue down a very steep spiral.

Where do the bolded numbers come from ?

 

[CroMagnon]

Pentti Linkola is on the right track
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/thefallofbecause/articles/humanflood.html

 

[footyfreak]

I don't trust the whole Sponsorship thing when I heard abotu that guy who sponsored a little girl from basically birth, then went over to meet her once she turned 18, and then took her back to Australian and married her. That was just wierd and kinda gross.

Well he did own her.

 

[starchamber]

Not a human cull. Simply raising awareness that contraception does exist....and to use it if you cannot afford to feed 7 children.

The problem with these people they would not take it because off their gods or whatever. A lot of them unfortunately bring it to them.

 

[starchamber]

The Earth is capable of holding 3, 3.5, 4 times as many people than it currently does. The world's greed, corruption and inefficiency means that we're in such a mess, it's beyond repair. Greed and corruption will ensure that the world's problems will not be fixed, but continue down a very steep spiral.

Not sure on that,parts of the World is basically dump that can't grow food and shit from no rain and crap. The population we have now we basically can't handle.

 

[Chief]

Most of these organisations use the majority of their donations in admin fees.

So more than half of all money goes in admin? Where did you hear this? Or is your mate the only example you have of rorting and have extrapolated from there?


starchamber: Stop posting. Really dude. Stop.

 

[cats2rise]

The Earth is capable of holding 3, 3.5, 4 times as many people than it currently does. The world's greed, corruption and inefficiency means that we're in such a mess, it's beyond repair. Greed and corruption will ensure that the world's problems will not be fixed, but continue down a very steep spiral.

You could not be more wrong

The world can succesfully sustain just over 5 Billion AT A STRETCH , and the current population is climbing towards 7 Billion - exceeding limit by close to 25%

 

[DeanoT]

So more than half of all money goes in admin? Where did you hear this? Or is your mate the only example you have of rorting and have extrapolated from there?

I have spent a lot of time providing financial advice working with non-profits and charities, including ones that have achieved a lot of media attention in the past twelve months or so. The calculation of direct benefits provided to the end user differs widely, but in general, if a charity can get 20% of its revenues to the end recipient, it is considered best practice.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

A mate of mine worked for World Vision signing people up onthe street - was taking home a grand per week for doing so.

Not getting my money, ever.

 

[beez]

I have spent a lot of time providing financial advice working with non-profits and charities, including ones that have achieved a lot of media attention in the past twelve months or so. The calculation of direct benefits provided to the end user differs widely, but in general, if a charity can get 20% of its revenues to the end recipient, it is considered best practice.

What? Complete bollocks. I've worked in-house with charities and you will find between 70-80% goes directly to the cause.

A mate of mine worked for World Vision signing people up onthe street - was taking home a grand per week for doing so.

Not getting my money, ever.

It's all proportianate, if he's taking in over a grand a week, he is raising quite a bit of $$$ for the charity

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

It's all proportianate, if he's taking in over a grand a week, he is raising quite a bit of $$$ for the charity

It is a proportion that I do not approve of.

 

[DeanoT]

What? Complete bollocks. I've worked in-house with charities and you will find between 70-80% goes directly to the cause.

As I said, you need to have a consistent methodology. Many charities use telemarketers to raise funds. Many of these telemarketers take 40% of donation revenue straight off the top, passing the rest onto the charity. That means you are down to 60% of the orginal funds before you even starting paying salaries, rent and admin costs.

Sure the 40% cut the telemarketers take may not show up on the profit and loss statement of the charities financial statements, but do you think the person donating the funds gives a shit about financial statements ? 40% is gone before any internal expenditure is incurred. Where is the 70-80% benchmark sitting now ?

You also need to define "directly to the cause". Many charities will classify the salary costs of staff involved in the service being provided as being "direct to the cause", while others only consider the actual cost of the direct benefit being provided. This will obviously vary according to the different type of service being provided. e.g. psychological counselling v sponsoring of food, health and eduation for a child in Africa.

If you only count the cost of the direct benefit provided to the end recipient, I could tell you of one well-known charity which provides less than 7% of the original donation/fundraising amount to the end recipient. The same organisation has 12 staff on 100K+ per annum, and the most senior 3 people on much higher salaries than that. In my opinion, it should have its tax exemption and deductible gift recipient status withdrawn.

 

[beez]

Sure the 40% cut the telemarketers take may not show up on the profit and loss statement of the charities financial statements, but do you think the person donating the funds gives a shit about financial statements ? 40% is gone before any internal expenditure is incurred. Where is the 70-80% benchmark sitting now ?

Yes, some charities use telemarketers and door-to-door collectors who take 40-50% of the take, but this is one small part of a charity's overall donations intake. Take into account bequests, large one-off donations from wealthy individuals/companies of 100k plus, and corporate functions/dinners and AS A GENERAL RULE, in the overall donations bracket, between 70-80% will go to directly to the cause.

Having said all this, I'm sure you'll disagree with me anyway, so we'll agree to disagree.